Moores speaks out

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40383.msg1109051#msg1109051 date=1274859426]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40383.msg1109025#msg1109025 date=1274843892]
In many ways it's hard to feel real anger at Moores. I think every fan knows that he cares about the club and felt he was doing what was in the clubs best interests. I think he even sold the club at a realistic price.

However, there are still thing that are hard to accept about it all.

4 years of searching only brought the Thais, DIC and G&H to the table with firm offers and essentially he admitted being duped by G&H. Of course the global financial crisis played a hugepart in G&H;s demise, but I think you have lay a lot of criticism at Moore's door.

He may have loved the club deeply, but a businessman he was not and his lack of business acuman over a large period of time has been one of the fundamental reasons why Liverpool FChas underachieved as a club.
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This sums up my feelings on the subject.
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And mine.

 

[acejmk]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40383.msg1109060#msg1109060 date=1274862038]
I wish he'd said it sooner, and also wish he'd never sold us to them. I wish lots of things.

But David Moores is a good person. Some of the abuse meted out to him by the armchair superfans has been simply disgraceful.
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Yea this is bang on the button

 

[RolandG]

It's about time. It gets better............

RBS, meanwhile, have grown increasingly impatient with the duo after they refused to lower their asking price to sell Liverpool exceeds the bank's valuation of the club.

A serious investor is yet to be found despite the club being officially on the market for over a month due to the £600million price tag, which the high street giant will order them to lower that number to ensure an imminent sale of the club.

 

[Jack D Rips]

I never had any doubts about about David Moores being a good person, with the best interests of Liverpool F.C. at heart, but fucking hell, his research into our current owners was either very naive or very careless.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=RolandG link=topic=40383.msg1109065#msg1109065 date=1274863404]
It's about time. It gets better............

RBS, meanwhile, have grown increasingly impatient with the duo after they refused to lower their asking price to sell Liverpool exceeds the bank's valuation of the club.

A serious investor is yet to be found despite the club being officially on the market for over a month due to the £600million price tag, which the high street giant will order them to lower that number to ensure an imminent sale of the club.
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Was that written by a retard?

Ps, brendan is bang on.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40383.msg1109060#msg1109060 date=1274862038]

Some of the abuse meted out to him by the armchair superfans has been simply disgraceful.
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Says the king of the abusive armchair superfans.

 

[manwithnoname]

Says the king of the abusive armchair superfans.

My definition of "armchair superfan" differs from yours

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40383.msg1109068#msg1109068 date=1274863459]
I never had any doubts about about David Moores being a good person, with the best interests of Liverpool F.C. at heart, but fucking hell, his research into our current owners was either very naive or very careless.
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At best he & all the moores heirs are poor business people, but then many born into wealth are. That doesn't make them ba people, simply niave & misinformed.

To suggest he simply sold to the highest bidder or knew how this would turn out but did it anyway is way off the mark.

 

[spider-Neil]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109041#msg1109041 date=1274853904]
no chance. that's like you selling a car and insisting the new owner clean the car every week. the buyer may agree so you sell to him but he is under no obligation to do anything he doesn't want to once he buys the car from you as he owns the car.
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Congratulations! You have been nominated for the 'Shittest Analogy of the Year' award. I know it's early, but I think you're a real contender.
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I think there is still time for you to take the award ahead of me.

 

[jexykrodic]

Unwittingly, he seems to have engineered the demise of the club. At the time he was under pressure to sell we were merely unable to compete financially; now we appear to be in a battle to survive.

Each day that ticks by and a new buyer isn't found to pay an inflated price the more difficult it becomes to retain and attract top players, finance a larger stadium and market the club worldwide.

We are in a perfect storm of greedy dishonourable owners, compound debt and potential buyers fearful of global recession preferring to preserve cash rather than speculate.

We may have a lot further to fall before a resolution. Moores fulfilled his legal obligations and the board voted to accept their bid, he can't be held responsible for Hicks & Gillett reneging on the initial deal, falling out and then heartlessly holding on to the club to squeeze every last dollar from a sale whilst all the time knowing the club is racking up debt remorselessly.


It's a tragedy.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40383.msg1109081#msg1109081 date=1274864935]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40383.msg1109068#msg1109068 date=1274863459]
I never had any doubts about about David Moores being a good person, with the best interests of Liverpool F.C. at heart, but fucking hell, his research into our current owners was either very naive or very careless.
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At best he & all the moores heirs are poor business people, but then many born into wealth are. That doesn't make them ba people, simply niave & misinformed.

To suggest he simply sold to the highest bidder or knew how this would turn out but did it anyway is way off the mark. [/quote]


I hope you're not saying thats what I was suggesting

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Brendan is spot on.

regards

 

[spider-Neil]

when you are in charge of a large business, if you have no business accumen then you surrond yourself with people that do.

as a side note, rothschild were commissioned with evaluating G&H, and they gave assurances that G&H had the finances to build the stadium and fund the team and G&H have failed to do either, I guess there is no legal precedence to take rothschild to court for such terrible advice? they have basically profited for giving shit information.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109096#msg1109096 date=1274865581]
when you are in charge of a large business, if you have no business accumen then you surrond yourself with people that do.

as a side note, rothschild were commissioned with evaluating G&H, and they gave assurances that G&H had the finances to build the stadium and fund the team and G&H have failed to do either, I guess there is no legal precedence to take rothschild to court for such terrible advice? they have basically profited for giving shit information.
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Rothschild were not commissioned to evaluate G & H, they were actually acting for G & H.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40383.msg1109101#msg1109101 date=1274865938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109096#msg1109096 date=1274865581]
when you are in charge of a large business, if you have no business accumen then you surrond yourself with people that do.

as a side note, rothschild were commissioned with evaluating G&H, and they gave assurances that G&H had the finances to build the stadium and fund the team and G&H have failed to do either, I guess there is no legal precedence to take rothschild to court for such terrible advice? they have basically profited for giving shit information.
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Rothschild were not commissioned to evaluate G & H, they were actually acting for G & H.
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I don't get it? what does that mean? who was acting as advisors/background checkers for us?

 

[spider-Neil]

I get what bren is saying but we are part of a 'blame generation' and many (most?) of liverpool fans put the blame at moores' door. liverpool entered a period of decline on his watch to the point where he felt he could no longer take the club forwards so put the club up for sale, selling to possibly the worst owners imaginable.
you can blame the yanks as well but when you put a fox in a chicken coop don't be surprised when the fox kills all the chickens (another poor analogy to take the award) the yanks only did what it is in their nature to do and what they've done in the past.

I'm not going to be a hyprocrite and say I don't hold moores responsible for fear I'll get flamed, I blame moores for a lot of the shit going down as it was him that sold the club to the yanks but having said that I don't doubt when he sold he thought he was doing what was in the best interests of the club and I have no doubt as liverpool fan he is feeling the pain as much as anyone because make no mistake we are on the brink.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109102#msg1109102 date=1274866029]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40383.msg1109101#msg1109101 date=1274865938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109096#msg1109096 date=1274865581]
when you are in charge of a large business, if you have no business accumen then you surrond yourself with people that do.

as a side note, rothschild were commissioned with evaluating G&H, and they gave assurances that G&H had the finances to build the stadium and fund the team and G&H have failed to do either, I guess there is no legal precedence to take rothschild to court for such terrible advice? they have basically profited for giving shit information.
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Rothschild were not commissioned to evaluate G & H, they were actually acting for G & H.
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I don't get it? what does that mean? who was acting as advisors/background checkers for us?
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Price Waterhouse Coopers apparently received assurances from Rotschilds as to the bona fides of G & H

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40383.msg1109114#msg1109114 date=1274867260]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109102#msg1109102 date=1274866029]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=40383.msg1109101#msg1109101 date=1274865938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109096#msg1109096 date=1274865581]
when you are in charge of a large business, if you have no business accumen then you surrond yourself with people that do.

as a side note, rothschild were commissioned with evaluating G&H, and they gave assurances that G&H had the finances to build the stadium and fund the team and G&H have failed to do either, I guess there is no legal precedence to take rothschild to court for such terrible advice? they have basically profited for giving shit information.
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Rothschild were not commissioned to evaluate G & H, they were actually acting for G & H.
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I don't get it? what does that mean? who was acting as advisors/background checkers for us?
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Price Waterhouse Coopers apparently received assurances from Rotschilds as to the bona fides of G & H
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so moores askes PWC for assurances who went to rothschilds and rothschilds gave the assurances that G&H were good for the money? erm, why didn't PWC do the checking themselves?

 

[Judge Jules]

Exactly. Even the "Times" article makes it clear that Rothschilds were acting for the purchasers, so what else were they going to say? PWC should have made their own enquiries, and Moores should have had enough about him to insist on it.

 

[spider-Neil]

Tom Hicks said he stands to lose "a couple hundred million" dollars on the Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars, but he expects to make it up when he sells his stake in a leading English soccer team. He also said he will be glad to exit the professional sports business.

"It's never been my primary business," he said in an interview Tuesday with The Dallas Morning News. "And it's a business I no longer want to pay the price to be in."

One thing he won't miss is the publicity that comes with owning pro sports teams, he said.

"It's a brutal invasion of privacy," he said.



Hicks said Tuesday that his efforts to sell his other teams continue.

He said he expects to sell soccer team Liverpool FC in 12 to 18 months. He continued to say that the English Premier League team – one of the world's most valuable sports brands – could fetch "600 to 800" million pounds – or about $860 million to $1.15 billion at current exchange rates. Others place the value at significantly less.

Hicks and Colorado businessman George Gillett acquired the team in 2007 in a deal valued at nearly 220 million pounds, which at the time was worth about $430 million because the pound was stronger in relation to the dollar at the time.

http://http//www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/0525dnspohicksfolo.3cabd68.html

oh, fucking hell...

 

[singlerider]

Haha, Brendan the 'superfan'.

That's right, I said it!

Wear it bitch!

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40383.msg1109172#msg1109172 date=1274874733]
Haha, Brendan the 'superfan'.

That's right, I said it!

Wear it bitch!
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you can certainly understand bren's position as the moores family have done an awful lot for the city of liverpool over the years.

 

[mark1975]

What a greedy, fat american cunt he is.

 

[Molbystwin]

Nice words from Moores there and brendan is spot on there is no need for abuse toward him.

Sadly the chances of the current owners standing aside and being honorable are slim to none. A few weeks back i suggested that RBS sort out the sale and the price themselves.... lets hope this talk of impatience from them means they do just that.

 

[Fox]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40383.msg1109041#msg1109041 date=1274853904]
no chance. that's like you selling a car and insisting the new owner clean the car every week. the buyer may agree so you sell to him but he is under no obligation to do anything he doesn't want to once he buys the car from you as he owns the car.
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If that is the case then what the fuck is the point of the documented promises once ownerdhip moves over.

Oh yes, new stadium, £100 million in transfer and debt on the club, you have our word

The whole thing stinks and is not going to get fixed soon.

Face it, we are stuck with the Toms and Rafa for a long while yet

 

[doctor_mac]

I sympathise with Moores even if I think he would be wise to show more repentance for selling to G&H. He made an error, but his decision to pull the plug on DIC was absolutely understandable, and I believe him that his decision was not motivated by greed. Naivety certainly played its part, but not greed.

 

[Fox]

matey from the Times who received the letter is on talksport in a mo, worth a listen.

Quinny and Durham saying we should go into administration to get rid of the yanks, shit !!

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Hicks has just been on SSN saying pretty much the usual stuff (i missed the start of the interview).

1.We won't be selling either of Torres or Stevie
2.He thinks he'll of sold our club by the end of the year
3.We're in a healthy financial state

 

[StevieM]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=40383.msg1109189#msg1109189 date=1274879701]
Nice words from Moores there and brendan is spot on there is no need for abuse toward him.

Sadly the chances of the current owners standing aside and being honorable are slim to none. A few weeks back i suggested that RBS sort out the sale and the price themselves.... lets hope this talk of impatience from them means they do just that.
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At the end of the day, as nice a man as Moores is, he ultimately made the decision to sell to G&H.

So, while I truly believe his intentions were nothing but, in his own mind, good for the club he made a f**kin terrible decision - hindsight and all.

Saying he doesn't deserve "criticism" is a bit like saying Benitez deserves no criticism for selling Alonso and thinking Lucas could simply replace him, just because Benitez thought it woud be fine and he's a nice chap and took us to "No. 5".

Don't let Brendan's superiority complex get in the way.

 

[Judge Jules]

Nail/head interface.