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Modo

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Lucas, Gerrard, Meireles, Aquilani, Adam, Henderson, Spearing, Shelvey, Maxi, Kuyt and possibly Downing and Mata

That's twelve players competing for 4 places in the starting line up.
4 Midfielders in a 4-4-2, 3 Midfielders and a right wing or left wing forward in a 4-2-3-1.

Then there's Joe Cole...
EDIT: and Poulsen...

Surely someone has to go? I'm hearing that Shelvey is about to go on loan, nothing official yet. Rumours about Meireles leaving and we all now the Aquaman story. Cole has to go, so do Poulsen.

So what's your take on all this.
 
Aquilani, Poulsen and Maxi to be given the heave-ho and Spearing back to the reserves or possibly sold to Newcastle or someone of that ilk.

Joe Cole, hopefully will get off somewhere too.


Also, jumping the gun a touch on the Mata shout aren't you?
As much as I wish it was nailed on...
 
I thought Jonjo has gone to blackpool as part of the Adams' deal?

J.Cole might be included in the downing's deal, maybe Spearing too if our interest in jose enrique is genuine.

As for Poulsen, can we just give him away as add-on?
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46023.msg1361056#msg1361056 date=1309994497]
Lucas, Gerrard, Meireles, Aquilani, Adam, Henderson, Spearing, Shelvey, Maxi, Kuyt and possibly Downing and Mata

That's twelve players competing for 4 places in the starting line up.
4 Midfielders in a 4-4-2, 3 Midfielders and a right wing or left wing forward in a 4-2-3-1.

Then there's Joe Cole...
EDIT: and Poulsen...

Surely someone has to go? I'm hearing that Shelvey is about to go on loan, nothing official yet. Rumours about Meireles leaving and we all now the Aquaman story. Cole has to go, so do Poulsen.

So what's your take on all this.
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Shelvey and Maxi are most likely to be shipped out. If we find some stupid enough club we'll get rid of Poulsen too. We don't know how seriously fucked Gerrard is.

So if the Downing and Mata transfers fall through we might be left with Lucas, Adam, Meireles, Aquilani, Henderson, Spearing, Cole and Kuyt. Which is ok.
 
---------------------Lucas/Spearing----------------------
-----------Gerrard/Ming-------Adam---------------------
Kuyt/Henderson----------------------Downing/Suarez
------------------Kuyt/Suarez/Carroll---------------------
 
2 players for every positions

right midfield - kuyt/henderson
left midfield - maxi/downing(?)
holding midfielder - lucas/spearing
attacking - gerrard/meireles/aqua/adam

we have too many attacking midfielders but I suspect one of meireles and aqua will be sold.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46023.msg1361113#msg1361113 date=1310021414]
---------------------Lucas/Spearing----------------------
-----------Gerrard/Ming-------Adam---------------------
Kuyt/Henderson----------------------Downing/Suarez
------------------Kuyt/Suarez/Carroll---------------------
[/quote]yup
 
4-3-3

With Liverpool having a £15m bid rejected for the Aston Villa left-winger Stewart Downing there is an obvious lack of width in Kenny Dalglish's squad. To get around this a central three of Steven Gerrard (fitness permitting), Charlie Adam and one of Lucas Leiva or Jordan Henderson could sit behind Luis Suárez, Andy Carroll and Dirk Kuyt, with the Uruguayan offering width on the left and the Dutch forward naturally drifting out to the right. With Lucas, who was the Liverpool fans' player of the year last season, the most likely option as the trio's holding player, it would make sense for Adam to play slightly in front on the left, with Gerrard occupying the same position on the right. Adam's ability to spray long-distance passes from central midfield to either flank was one of Blackpool's major weapons last season and will go some way towards offering Liverpool a range of passing that they have lacked since Xabi Alonso's departure. This formation would also put the onus on the left and right full-backs to attack more. Glen Johnson and Martin Kelly are both equipped to do so. If Liverpool do not sign a new left-back before the season starts Johnson may switch to left-back with Kelly beginning the season on the right, where he was impressive for Liverpool last season.

4-4-2

If Liverpool want to accommodate all their new signings as well as their captain then Jordan Henderson may have to play as a right midfielder in a more traditional formation. From right to left at home: Henderson, Gerrard, Adam, Raul Meireles. From right to left away: Henderson, Lucas, Gerrard, Adam. These two varied line-ups depending on the strength of opposition do not immediately look pacey, but whichever four Dalglish chooses would not lack invention. With teams perhaps having wised up to the threat and movement of Suárez is could be that having four players with the ability to play short, threaded passes in midfield instead of three could keep defences guessing and Suárez scoring. Henderson's crossing ability would still ensure Carroll was provided with the service he requires to be a threat in the air, with Suárez drifting left to provide the ammunition for the big centre-forward on that side.

4-1-3-2

It may be that Meireles is sold before the season starts, along with Alberto Aquilani and Joe Cole. But having improved dramatically under Dalglish's stewardship the Portugal international is the one player who is most capable of playing the one-touch football that Dalglish's Liverpool sides of yore were capable of – and it may be that Liverpool's owner, Fenway Sports Group, is not willing to cash in its chips just yet. If Liverpool really want to cut loose at home and go for teams it could be that Dalglish overlooks Lucas and selects Meireles, Gerrard and Henderson as a midfield three, with Adam sat behind as a footballing equivalent of a quarterback. Meireles would be the player expected to get forwards and support Carroll and Suárez, using his clever movement to offer himself as a third forward, perhaps running into the space vacated by Suárez when the forward drifts left. Henderson, again, would drag his marker out to the right freeing up space for Gerrard (who is looking increasingly likely to play a more conservative role in his 30s) to direct things from the middle.

Of course, the formations above are assuming that the Liverpool captain is fit at start of the season. Please offer your suggestions below the line.
 
Clarke offers hope to Cole as Liverpool clear midfield clutter
By Tim Rich in Kuala Lumpur
Monday, 18 July 2011SHARE PRINTEMAIL
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Despite support from Clarke, departing Anfield for London might be merciful relief for Joe Cole

You imagine that Jevan Joel Raj would want Joe Cole to stay at Anfield. The 15-year-old queued for eight hours at a shopping centre in the Malaysian capital to get Cole to sign a Liverpool shirt. He intended to have it framed but should the 29-year-old leave the club, as has seemed likely all summer, it may have to come down from the wall.

This time last year, after a move in which Steven Gerrard played a prominent part, Cole was seen as part of the new, significantly more English, wave at Anfield under Roy Hodgson. However, his Premier League debut, which saw him dismissed against Arsenal, was indicative of what was to come. In January he scored his first league goal for Liverpool, a tap in from a yard that snatched victory against Bolton and which seemed to have salvaged Hodgson's job. It was a stay of execution that lasted only a few days.

And yet in the club's assistant manager, Steve Clarke, Cole has someone who coached him at Chelsea in the years when he seemed sometimes to be the best and most inventive midfielder England possessed.

"At the end of last season he was not getting in the team because the team was playing well," Clarke said, explaining why Kenny Dalglish's arrival seemed to send Cole deeper into internal exile. "But he has trained hard and gone away and had a good summer. Joe Cole is a top international player. He has got a big contribution to make to the future. He is the same Joe Cole I coached at Chelsea, just a couple of years older and a little wiser. He has always had this same fantastic attitude.

"He knows the position he is in. It has been difficult for him because he has not been involved but, when he gets the chance, it is up to him to take it."

Whether other midfielders will get their chance in a side that is cluttered with footballers is a moot point, as Liverpool experience for the first time the consequences of having three managers in 18 months.

Milan Jovanovic, the final signing made by Rafael Benitez, and who was quickly discarded by Hodgson, was like Cole and Maxi Rodriguez, a free transfer on enormous wages. The three of them are reportedly paid a combined salary of £15m a year; costs that only the Argentine, with two hat-tricks as Dalglish's revival gathered momentum, came close to justifying. By the time Cole celebrates his birthday in November, all will be over 30.

Jovanovic will be the first departure. He has been courted by both Lille and Anderlecht, although the latter seems the likeliest destination as his wife prefers Brussels to northern France.

With Alberto Aquilani, whose elegant game has never appeared remotely suited to the Premier League, receiving an endorsement via Twitter from the Liverpool owner, John W Henry, there may be additional pressure to sell Rodriguez.

Last month he revealed he had been contacted by the president of his former club, Newell's Old Boys, and said he would be keen on a return to Argentina provided his contract that has 18 months to run could be "loosened".

For whoever remains, Liverpool's serious work is just beginning. Another Scottish manager, George Graham, once remarked that turning round a struggling team was one of management's more straightforward tasks. Getting them into the top six, something Clarke and Dalglish achieved with remarkable ease, was harder, while the top four was be an Eiger-like ascent. The first steps have already been taken.

Should I stay or should I go? Liverpool's crowded midfield

Alberto Aquilani Signed by Benitez. Cost £20m. Though he was loaned out to Juventus last season, his prospects seem surprisingly good, at least in John W Henry's opinion. Verdict Stays.

Raul Meireles Signed by Hodgson. Cost £11.7m. Has been linked with Internazionale but he was Hodgson's most successful signing. Verdict Stays.

Steven Gerrard Signed by Liverpool Academy. Cost Nothing. Despite struggling last season, he is Liverpool's most iconic footballer since Dalglish. If fit, he plays. Verdict Stays.

Joe Cole Signed by Hodgson. Cost Nothing. Despite support from Clarke, departing Anfield for London might be merciful relief. Verdict Leaves.

Maxi Rodriquez Signed by Benitez. Cost Nothing. Liked by Kop but Downing will displace him. Verdict Leaves.

Lucas Leiva Signed by Benitez. Cost £5m. Still has a role. Verdict Stays.

Jay Spearing Signed by Liverpool Academy. Cost Nothing. Loaned out last season. Verdict Leaves – on loan.

Christian Poulsen Signed by Hodgson. Cost £4.5m. The Kop has never remotely taken to the Dane. Verdict Leaves.

Jonjo Shelvey Signed by Hodgson. Cost £1.7m. Versatile. Verdict Stays.

Milan Jovanovic Signed by Benitez. Cost Nothing. Unlikely to last until the end of the week. Verdict Leaves.
 
One or two will probably leave to lessen the wage bill, but you need serious depth if you want to compete for titles, so it's a good thing.
 
Shelvey definitely needs to go out on loan as sticking around and getting the odd cup game and sub appearance will do nothing for him. Poulsen we have to assume is a goner.

That leaves us with six midfielders. I think that'd be really useful if we were still in Europe and had far more games to play, but as we're not I don't think it's a luxury we can justify... particularly if we're looking to play 4-4-2 half the time.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46023.msg1366580#msg1366580 date=1310972026]
Spearing wasn't loaned out
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No.

That seemed a strange verdict on him. He did well last year and wouldn't be paid quite as much so if he was not needed I would imagine he is one of the few who we could get a fee for. Though personally I'd like to see him stay.

If anyone is going on loan with a view to possibly coming back eventually it would be Shelvey.
 
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