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Messi vs Diego

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Wonderful article below. Fav extracts copied.

I think it's now or never for Messi to claim to be better by winning the world cup. If he does win it, the arguments in his favour will be compelling. BUT, reading the below and you do wonder what Maradona would have done to defences nowadays....

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jun/14/lionel-messi-argentina-potential-world-cup

At Mexico 86 Maradona was 25, a year younger than Messi now. Like Messi at Barça Maradona had just had a season of relative consolidation at Napoli. Like Messi, Maradona entered that World Cup with some lingering doubts over his conditioning: for Messi a slight return in the last year of those hamstring injuries and a suggestion of a transformation in his basic role; for Maradona a knee injury that, it was believed, would seriously inhibit his mobility (his total recovery was deemed near-miraculous by some observers). The team Maradona carried to the World Cup final was perhaps not as mediocre as is sometimes made out. It had strong leaders in Jorge Valdano and José Luis Brown, while Jorge Burruchaga provided a hard-running support act to Maradona, as Di María will hope to do this time around.

For all that, this is still a comparison that pretty much goes nowhere. Instead the most interesting parts of any Messi-Maradona head to head are the irreconcilable differences, the changing times that render the exercise skewed. Football has changed a great deal in the past 28 years. Watch any of the many Maradona highlights reels on YouTube and almost every piece of pirouetting left-footed invention involves a feat of rare muscular balance just staying upright while a failed attempt is made to hack him down; or alternatively ends up being curtailed abruptly by a successful one. Maradona’s best moments tended to end in an agonised rub of the shin, whereas Messi’s invariably end with a goal. Football was a different place, an outlaw country where invention was strictly policed and the sight of a player dribbling past world class defenders was hair raising indeed. Plus, of course, there is the tempering of football’s surrounding environment.

To compare Messi and Maradona is a bit like comparing the progress of an Eton scholarship boy and a star pupil at the local borstal. Messi has spent his entire mature footballing life in the company of expert European coaches, sports scientists, teachers, elders, aides, helpers – not to mention Xavi, Andrés Iniesta and the rest. Maradona spent his prime footballing years never far from the company of hucksters, hustlers, egomaniac club owners and licensed and unlicensed drug pushers. He was a self-made troubled superstar, and a genuine Argentinian malandro in spirit. Messi could not have scored his –outrageous, instinctive, utterly bogus – first goal against England in 1986: he’s just not like that (he could have scored the second, though, and in fact does every six months or so, albeit not with Terry Fenwick’s forearm chopping him across the windpipe).
 
IMO winning or not winning the World Cup has little or no relevance to a judgment of a player's individual qualities. It depends on so many other factors entirely outside any one player's control.


for the most part I agree. but in the case of Messi and Maradona, it is an important factor. they play for a country who is blessed with talent and can challenge for the WC. Messi is not being talked about the best player at current times, but he is being talked about the best ever, to meet that threshold, in the circumstances of playing for argentina, a WC is a factor.
 
I don't agree with some of that. Messi started out dribbling past defenders trying to hack him down, he's just evolved into a different player now.

Also, hasn't he already scored a similar goal as the one vs England (albeit at club level)?
 
Messi already has more goals than Maradona at international level and the same at club level despite only being 26.
I dont think it hinges on WC success at all.

Even though Messi has played his entire career at Barcelona, it still is an remarkable achievement to have nearly the same amount of goals as games in todays football.

For me he's already a better player than Maradona.
 
Two players, two generations apart. A different time back when Maradona played.
Who's the better player? Difficult question.

Maradona lifted a novice team like Napoli to the Championship in Italy. Maradona also won Argentina the world cup with a pretty average team.
Messi hasn't been tested the way Maradona has.

Messi was introduced into a team that dominated Spanish football at the time and then helped take them to another level.
The list of greatest players in the world, that legendary bunch of players who are always mentioned together Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Pele, Maradona, Zidane etc have all have something in common. They did it at the world stage.

Messi might be the better player but Maradona is by far the greater player.

Just look at the scenes in Napoli when he returned to see Ciro Ferrara's testimonial:



Ho visto Maradona, ho visto Maradona!!!
 
Maradona ruined defences in International, Spanish and Italian football. Messi needs to do it in this world cup or else he won't have any proof that he wasn't just a talented player lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.
 
It's a toughie and I'm still inclined to just edge Diego.

From 86-90 Napoli finished top twice and runners up twice. THe first time in their history they won the league. During this time Diego played in the best league in the world against some of the biggest clubs containing the best players: Rikjard, Guillet, Mattheaus, Van Basten, Klinsmann, Laudrup, Platini, to name a few. Diego made a good side great and the beat these lot in a very defensive league where he was kicked every game. We'll probably never see a performance like that again. It's a bit like Sunderland/newcastle signing Messi and winning the premier league twice. Can you see it?

Sure it takes a different kind of pressure to play for Barca surrounded by so many greats and standout. But the quality of opposition overall was not the same - the concentration of great players in other teams is not as great.
 
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