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Marca: Liverpool join the race for Sahin

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It's an exciting link nonetheless but I'm afraid Madrid are just using the media in order to get a better deal from Arsenal/Spurs
 
Don't know much about him but I'm not bothered about the fact he can't get a regular game at Madrid. Sneijder was the prime example of players who struggled to get a regular game when he should have been first choice.
 
To think they actually bought him for only €10 million

A bit of old stats dated May 2011

Şahin’s role is the most important in Dortmund’s team. As the deep-lying playmaker he is the motor in the midfield and the conductor of the team’s passing game. Over the course of the season he attempted 1803 passes which even though he missed the last few matches due to injury is almost 300 passes more than the second best Hummels. Adjusted for playing minutes he contributed 14.9% of Dortmund’s passes which is comparable to the likes of Cesc Fabregas at Arsenal and Paul Scholes at Manchester United in terms of what percentage of a team’s passes a player contributes. On a per 90 minutes basis he attempted 63 passes on average.

Since Şahin also takes corners and free kicks while Gündoğan doesn’t the 114 corners and 86 free kicks taken by Şahin would even further increase the gap between the two.

To further emphasize the difference in responsibility, if we ignore the matches the players missed due to injury Şahin started every match and played 96.1% of Dortmund’s minutes compared to Gündoğan’s 81.2%. For Gündoğan to fill Şahin’s boots he will need to be very strong mentally to not crumble under the pressure and responsibility.

There are also significant differences in the types of passes the players contribute. Şahin is a very ambitious passer. Of his passes in the opponent’s half 63.8% were forward passes, 20.9% sideways passes and 15.3% backwards passes. Of his passes in his own half 59.1% were forward passes, 20.2% sideways passes and 20.7% backwards passes. Contrast this with Gündoğan who is more conservative. Of his passes in the opponent’s half 35.2% were forward passes, 30.3% sideways passes and 34.5% backwards passes. Of his passes in his own half 42.9% were forward passes, 24.4% sideways passes and 32.7% backwards passes. While I don’t have statistics on their ratios of short to medium to long passes from watching almost all of their matches this season I can say that Şahin has a wider range of passing and is better at long range passes than Gündoğan who prefers short and medium range passes.

In terms of passing accuracy the two are very close. The success rates of Şahin’s forward, sideways and backwards passes in the opponent’s half are 63.3%, 85.6% and 96.4% while for Gündoğan they are 66.5%, 86.3% and 94.3%. In their own halves their sideways and backwards pass success rates are 92.9% and 95.2% and 90.0% and 98.9% respectively. The only real difference is in their forward passing in their own halves where Şahin has a success rate of 65.6% compared to Gündoğan’s 53.7%.

Şahin is also a more creative passer. On average he created 3.61 goal scoring chances per 90 minutes which is more than any other player in the top five European leagues. Even though Gündoğan played in a more advanced role and should therefore theoretically be in a better position to create goal scoring opportunities he created only 1.23 chances per 90 minutes.

In addition to being vitally important to Dortmund’s passing and attacking game Şahin is also a very good defender. Per 90 minutes he completed 3.26/3.92 tackles for a success rate of 83.2%. He also made 2.22 interceptions and 7.28 loose ball wins. From observation I can also say he is disciplined and has good defensive positioning and awareness.

Gündoğan’s defensive work rate is also good but in terms of easily measurable contributions he is not as good as Şahin. Per 90 minutes he completed 1.18/1.43 tackles (82.8% success rate), made 1.38 interceptions and 5.22 loose ball wins. His more advanced role partly explains the lower numbers.
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http://rationalfootball.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/can-ilkay-gundogan-replace-nuri-sahin/

This season Şahin has taken 114 corners of which 6 were taken short. Of the 108 that were delivered straight into the penalty area 41 found a teammate, a success rate of 38.0%. He also took 86 free kicks of which 72 were crossed into the penalty area. Of those 27 found a teammate for a success rate of 37.5%. Combining his corners, free kicks and crosses from open play overall he delivered 211 crosses with a success rate of 37.4%.
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Can one of my more learned 6CMer's give me the lowdown on this fella? I know nothing about him other than I think his name sounds pretty cool.
 
Sahin would be a big step in the right direction for several reasons. We'd be very lucky to get out hands on him imo.
 
Ryan said:
A few years back we had a team of Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt, Mascherano, Alonso and others that utterly dicked Real Madrid home and away in the Champions League.

Nowadays, we're broke, shite, 8th, and reduced to begging and scraping to take one of their reserves on loan for a year.

How the mighty.
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It's just crazy. Those look like golden years right now. H and G have a lot to answer for but FSG do also have to invest a little harder.
 
Tbf, we could have spent last years money on that standard of player, everyone would be singing their praises then. They trusted the football men and the football men fucked up.
 
Jose Mourinho said earlier this year that he had not the slightest intention of doing without him and that the player would be a gap when I had the opportunity to contest a full season with Real Madrid . However, the facts do provide that the Turkish midfielder Nuri Sahin say goodbye before the end of the market.
Clear example is relocating to the left back due to lack of Brazilian Marcelo , who is currently contesting the Olympics for Brazil. This situation, coupled with the endless rumors of teams interested us think that if finally landed Luka Modric the Ottoman eventually saying goodbye.
However, your destination is not fully defined. Thus, only a couple of weeks everything indicated that he would leave Arsenal, who headed the option box is not over London materialize, so it has enabled other possibilities such as having at Galatasaray as a possible destination.
Meanwhile, new teams are still knocking on the door. One is the Besiktas , which the player himself has rejected, as highlighted by the newspaper As . Another of the options being treated is in the Premier . Specifically, at Anfield, as the diary Brand reports that Jose Mourinho works his transfer to Liverpool .
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I think it's they're waiting to make sure Marcelo doesn't get injured before saying he can go, and that it's us Besiktas and Galatasaray that are meant to be interested when he can leave. Though it's Marca, so it could just be saying the jumbled mess you see above.
 
TheThingIs said:
Sahin is yet another lovely footballer being wasted at Real Madrid.
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I hate to see this. Maybe instead of FFP we should have a rule that you can't retain any player like this if he isn't getting a game. Any player that costs X% of your revenue or fucking turnover or whatever or whose salary is more than 125% of the average for your league can't be retained and has his contract nullified unless he playes more than 50% of your competitive matches.
 
bourne said:
Jose Mourinho said earlier this year that he had not the slightest intention of doing without him and that the player would be a gap when I had the opportunity to contest a full season with Real Madrid . However, the facts do provide that the Turkish midfielder Nuri Sahin say goodbye before the end of the market.
Clear example is relocating to the left back due to lack of Brazilian Marcelo , who is currently contesting the Olympics for Brazil. This situation, coupled with the endless rumors of teams interested us think that if finally landed Luka Modric the Ottoman eventually saying goodbye.
However, your destination is not fully defined. Thus, only a couple of weeks everything indicated that he would leave Arsenal, who headed the option box is not over London materialize, so it has enabled other possibilities such as having at Galatasaray as a possible destination.
Meanwhile, new teams are still knocking on the door. One is the Besiktas , which the player himself has rejected, as highlighted by the newspaper As . Another of the options being treated is in the Premier . Specifically, at Anfield, as the diary Brand reports that Jose Mourinho works his transfer to Liverpool .
Ivan Vargas
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You're a shit Binny.
 
Sahin is a fantastic player. Exactly the type of footballer we should be after but unfortunately with the situation at our club being what it is at the moment, i dont think we have a chance of getting him. IMO Arsenal will be his most likely destination if he does leave Madrid.
Our only hope is Mourinho's & BR connection.
 
Yeah, but how will we line up? Gerrard in a more attacking role with Sahin, Lucas and Allen as the midfield 3?
 
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