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Managers to Replace Benitez

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If Chelsea beats Inter in the CL, Mourinho will be availeble.

He's perfect for the job. He would need some money though, in getting the squad back together.
 
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018157#msg1018157 date=1261251743]
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
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things ARE that bad. we can't even afford to sack a manager ( i'm still not convinced we should ) and we had zero net spend in the summer. a new manager may freshen the place up but our future is simply busting a gut to make the top 4 each season as far as i can see. we've got no money and will start seeing the repercussions immediately.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018160#msg1018160 date=1261252281]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018157#msg1018157 date=1261251743]
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
[/quote]

things ARE that bad. we can't even afford to sack a manager ( i'm still not convinced we should ) and we had zero net spend in the summer. a new manager may freshen the place up but our future is simply busting a gut to make the top 4 each season as far as i can see. we've got no money and will start seeing the repercussions immediately.
[/quote]The players aren't fighting for him Skully. He HAS to go.
 
I agree that I can't remember ever feeling this low as a Liverpool fan. I was too young to really feel the heartbreak of '89
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=38017.msg1018114#msg1018114 date=1261249015]
Rijkaard please. Not only do we need a better manager, we need someone who's handled star players before. I can easily see Torres, Mascherano and Reina leaving if we appoint Hodgson. Not to mention the fact that he's 62 already - too old.
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The dressing room was a mess when Rijkaard ending up leaving.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38017.msg1018166#msg1018166 date=1261252852]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=38017.msg1018114#msg1018114 date=1261249015]
Rijkaard please. Not only do we need a better manager, we need someone who's handled star players before. I can easily see Torres, Mascherano and Reina leaving if we appoint Hodgson. Not to mention the fact that he's 62 already - too old.
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The dressing room was a mess when Rijkaard ending up leaving.
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He messed up by not selling Ronaldinho and Eto'o when he should have, they ended up costing him his job
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38017.msg1018164#msg1018164 date=1261252786]
I agree that I can't remember ever feeling this low as a Liverpool fan. I was too young to really feel the heartbreak of '89
[/quote]89 was shite but every inch of me thought the good times would continue to follow. This is worse because we have only a vague hope of any kind of success in future.
This is my lowest ebb
 
I think we're all going to very disappointed as every logical thought tells me Rafa isn't going anywhere
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38017.msg1018172#msg1018172 date=1261253105]
Come on own up who voted Hiddink??
[/quote]Ryan Babel
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018174#msg1018174 date=1261253156]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38017.msg1018172#msg1018172 date=1261253105]
Come on own up who voted Hiddink??
[/quote]Ryan Babel
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Ha
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018163#msg1018163 date=1261252664]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018160#msg1018160 date=1261252281]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018157#msg1018157 date=1261251743]
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
[/quote]

things ARE that bad. we can't even afford to sack a manager ( i'm still not convinced we should ) and we had zero net spend in the summer. a new manager may freshen the place up but our future is simply busting a gut to make the top 4 each season as far as i can see. we've got no money and will start seeing the repercussions immediately.
[/quote]The players aren't fighting for him Skully. He HAS to go.
[/quote]

we've heard this for years now and i don't think it's any truer today. they are clearly affected by how shit we're doing but that's a different story.

i'll say that i'm more open to a change of manager than usual, but i wouldn't get excited by it because we are in very bad shape whoever we have, as far as i'm concerned.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018176#msg1018176 date=1261253240]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018163#msg1018163 date=1261252664]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018160#msg1018160 date=1261252281]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018157#msg1018157 date=1261251743]
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
[/quote]

things ARE that bad. we can't even afford to sack a manager ( i'm still not convinced we should ) and we had zero net spend in the summer. a new manager may freshen the place up but our future is simply busting a gut to make the top 4 each season as far as i can see. we've got no money and will start seeing the repercussions immediately.
[/quote]The players aren't fighting for him Skully. He HAS to go.
[/quote]

we've heard this for years now and i don't think it's any truer today. they are clearly affected by how shit we're doing but that's a different story.

i'll say that i'm more open to a change of manager than usual, but i wouldn't get excited by it because we are in very bad shape whoever we have, as far as i'm concerned.
[/quote]I don't really mean that he's lost the dressing room mate I just mean that he can no longer motivate them or affect and inspire change.
I just think a change would freshen the huge lumbering beast of a club up a bit.
 
Our team walked out of the tunnel today, and the first five players out were Gerrard, Carra, Torres, Mascherano and Johnson, and I thought to myself, that's almost half the team that are genuine *world class* we should batter these. And yet we looked flat, dead and void of many real drive or desire. How are players of this quality reduced to what we saw today and several times this season?

The buck has to stop somewhere, and that's with Rafa. He's all out of excuses, simple as.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38017.msg1018166#msg1018166 date=1261252852]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=38017.msg1018114#msg1018114 date=1261249015]
Rijkaard please. Not only do we need a better manager, we need someone who's handled star players before. I can easily see Torres, Mascherano and Reina leaving if we appoint Hodgson. Not to mention the fact that he's 62 already - too old.
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The dressing room was a mess when Rijkaard ending up leaving.
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For what reasons though. I can't claim to have followed Rijkaard too closely but I do know all his teams have played good football, and he's won trophies. And he clearly has handled star players on a really big team, which is important not just to retain the star players we have but to be able to sign new ones as well. I don't see Hodgson having that sort of pull.

As it is, I don't recall him fucking things up that badly at Barcelona. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018178#msg1018178 date=1261253431]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018176#msg1018176 date=1261253240]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018163#msg1018163 date=1261252664]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018160#msg1018160 date=1261252281]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018157#msg1018157 date=1261251743]
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
[/quote]

things ARE that bad. we can't even afford to sack a manager ( i'm still not convinced we should ) and we had zero net spend in the summer. a new manager may freshen the place up but our future is simply busting a gut to make the top 4 each season as far as i can see. we've got no money and will start seeing the repercussions immediately.
[/quote]The players aren't fighting for him Skully. He HAS to go.
[/quote]

we've heard this for years now and i don't think it's any truer today. they are clearly affected by how shit we're doing but that's a different story.

i'll say that i'm more open to a change of manager than usual, but i wouldn't get excited by it because we are in very bad shape whoever we have, as far as i'm concerned.
[/quote]I don't really mean that he's lost the dressing room mate I just mean that he can no longer motivate them or affect and inspire change.
I just think a change would freshen the huge lumbering beast of a club up a bit.
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i agree, but i'd fucking love it to be a change of ownership, which i think would freshen the place up with greater effect.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018182#msg1018182 date=1261253588]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018178#msg1018178 date=1261253431]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018176#msg1018176 date=1261253240]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018163#msg1018163 date=1261252664]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38017.msg1018160#msg1018160 date=1261252281]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018157#msg1018157 date=1261251743]
I've never ever been this dejected as a Liverpool fan. This is the worst I've ever felt.
[/quote]

things ARE that bad. we can't even afford to sack a manager ( i'm still not convinced we should ) and we had zero net spend in the summer. a new manager may freshen the place up but our future is simply busting a gut to make the top 4 each season as far as i can see. we've got no money and will start seeing the repercussions immediately.
[/quote]The players aren't fighting for him Skully. He HAS to go.
[/quote]

we've heard this for years now and i don't think it's any truer today. they are clearly affected by how shit we're doing but that's a different story.

i'll say that i'm more open to a change of manager than usual, but i wouldn't get excited by it because we are in very bad shape whoever we have, as far as i'm concerned.
[/quote]I don't really mean that he's lost the dressing room mate I just mean that he can no longer motivate them or affect and inspire change.
I just think a change would freshen the huge lumbering beast of a club up a bit.
[/quote]

i agree, but i'd fucking love it to be a change of ownership, which i think would freshen the place up with greater effect.
[/quote]Me too, but if we can have any wish I'd change both.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38017.msg1018167#msg1018167 date=1261252912]
He messed up by not selling Ronaldinho and Eto'o when he should have, they ended up costing him his job
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Perhaps so (although Guardiola tried his best to sell Eto'o as well and that failure worked well in his favour). I think the end was when Ten Cate left - at least if he was the disciplinarian as was suggested.

Speaking of Guardiola, what would people think of appointing him?

I know it sounds far fetched but unless something has changed over the last month, his contract ends after this season and he, along with everyone else, is waiting to see what comes of the presidential elections. It's hard to see him walking away from Barca but who knows... it could happen and if it does, we might represent an interesting challenge.

It's a little hard to judge Guardiola though. The hard work was done by Laporta, Tixi Bergistain, Rijkaard and Ten Cate before he got there - he just breathed life into a world class team in a bit of a rut. He's done that fantastically well of course - and you could argue that we need the same doing to our team, only there is a lot more work to do.

In terms of style, I'd say he shares more than people might think with Rafa. Both value 'mentality' and fitness above all else, defending from the front and tactical organization. The beautiful football the team plays, I think comes more from the players they have - the team as a whole is a lot more functional now than during Rijkaard's time. Now we're seeing players like Keita get a lot of game time and of course Ibra up front, wonderfully talented as he is, is a different, more physical, proposition to the pace of Eto'o.

Anyways, if nothing else Ryan would be happy as 'ol Pep is quite stylish.
 
Yeah but he did get rid of Eto'o a season later after Eto'o had an excellent season and he cited the reason as being he felt that Eto'o was 'damaging' to the dressing room.

Guardiola's contract is up at the end of the season, but I think it's almost inevitable that it will be extended, he's adored by the team and fans, and as long as Barca are interested there's no way he's going anywhere.

I don't see how anyone could endorse Guardiola and not Rijkaard though.

Oh, and they both wear suits very well!
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38017.msg1018186#msg1018186 date=1261253843]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38017.msg1018167#msg1018167 date=1261252912]
He messed up by not selling Ronaldinho and Eto'o when he should have, they ended up costing him his job
[/quote]

Perhaps so (although Guardiola tried his best to sell Eto'o as well and that failure worked well in his favour). I think the end was when Ten Cate left - at least if he was the disciplinarian as was suggested.

Speaking of Guardiola, what would people think of appointing him?

I know it sounds far fetched but unless something has changed over the last month, his contract ends after this season and he, along with everyone else, is waiting to see what comes of the presidential elections. It's hard to see him walking away from Barca but who knows... it could happen and if it does, we might represent an interesting challenge.

It's a little hard to judge Guardiola though. The hard work was done by Laporta, Tixi Bergistain, Rijkaard and Ten Cate before he got there - he just breathed life into a world class team in a bit of a rut. He's done that fantastically well of course - and you could argue that we need the same doing to our team, only there is a lot more work to do.

In terms of style, I'd say he shares more than people might think with Rafa. Both value 'mentality' and fitness above all else, defending from the front and tactical organization. The beautiful football the team plays, I think comes more from the players they have - the team as a whole is a lot more functional now than during Rijkaard's time. Now we're seeing players like Keita get a lot of game time and of course Ibra up front, wonderfully talented as he is, is a different, more physical, proposition to the pace of Eto'o.

Anyways, if nothing else Ryan would be happy as 'ol Pep is quite stylish.
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I'd prefer Rijkaard for the reasons you outlined above. He pretty much built the Barca team.

As for Pep Guardiola, I think he's a fine example of taking a chance on a young upcoming manager.
Whenever a name is mentioned as a possible successor for Rafa, you'll get some on here saying "well, what has he won? he hasn't won a CL.. or a league title.. ergo, Rafa is better". Guardiola (and Wenger when he first came) have shown that you don't have to have won major trophies, or have managed big sides, to qualify as a candidate for managerial positions at top clubs.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38017.msg1018189#msg1018189 date=1261254528]
I don't like spitters.
But I'd take him
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I'd take Spit the fucking Dog over either Hodgson or MON.

spit+the+dog.jpg
 
Besides Mourinho, MON will be my other preferred choice. He has shown that he knows what's the type of team/squad that's necessary to win games in EPL. Handled the Barry situation well too. Add in his man management technique and he's not a bad choice. European experience during his stint at Celtic too. But he's got a great chairman at Villa and we haven't got the money to sack Rafa, do we (if we do, I would rather we give that money to him to spend in Jan).
 
Rijkaard please.

After 10 years of hoofball I want us to string two passes together... Mourinho is fantastic but his teams play some absolute shite.
 
[quote author=Rashid link=topic=38017.msg1018198#msg1018198 date=1261255555]
Rijkaard please.

After 10 years of hoofball I want us to string two passes together... Mourinho is fantastic but his teams play some absolute shite.
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I want us to WIN. Rijkaard always struck me as a bit of a loser and a whiner. Mourinho is in many ways dislikeable and his teams functional, but he would never have presided over a run like the one we're enduring at the moment.

Sadly, I don't think he'd come here at the moment, and nor would O'Neill or Redknapp (who is consistently underrated as a manager, mainly because he comes across as a bit of a thick, dodgy twat). As hard as it is to swallow, Villa and Spurs are better-run clubs than Liverpool, with more money for transfers and a better chance of making the CL next season.

Carra would obviously be a huge risk as manager, and he might not even want to do it at this stage, but I think we're gonna have to take a risk with our next manager because the likes of Capello, Hiddink, Lippi etc are not gonna come here under current circumstances.

I voted Mourinho, but I could see a Dalglish/Carra partnership as the possible short-term solution (ie the rest of this season), and then maybe look around for options in the summer.

I think Rafa has to go though. We're like a car stuck in the mud at the moment, and every time we rev the engine the wheels get more deeply entrenched. Someone push us the fuck out of this PLEASE!
 
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