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Manchester United debt hits £716m

Debts at the parent company of Manchester United have increased to £716.5m ($1.17bn), according to its latest accounts.

The company, called Red Football Joint Venture, is owned by the Glazer family and secures its debts against the football club.

The accounts, for the year to June 2009, show United's debts passing £700m for the first time.

More than £68m was paid in interest alone, the accounts show.

Despite the debts, the club turned a profit of £6.4m for the year - a marked improvement on the £47m loss reported at the end of the 2007/08 season.

The accounts also show that player sales brought in a profit of £80.7m - the price paid by Real Madrid for Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer.

The increased size of Manchester United's debts, and the amount of money being used to pay interest on them, are likely to concern fans.

Earlier this year, the Glazer family, which has controlled Manchester United since 2005, announced plans for a £500m bond issue designed to reduce debt repayments.

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From the BBC, seem they are in a spot of bother if they have to pay out £68m each year on interest.
 
I was expecting someone to have strung himself to something and needed an expect knot un-doer to solve it

kudos on it's actual meaning however
 
mr.%20burns.jpg
 
If I was a rag fan I'd be worried. They can't sell players for £80m every year to turn a profit
 
I have a T-shirt which says 'Manchester Untitled : the dead devils'.

When I last wore it, I was trim and dashing.
 
Wow. 716 million in debt and paying 60+ million a season in interest? No way they can sustain that. They'll be getting close to 20 million fir Vidic this summer if the rumours are to be believed which will leave only Rooney.

Another thing which I was surprised to find out is that Real paid United 80 mil up front for Ronaldo. No add ons, no payment plan. Very odd that you see this happen in the modern game.
 
They badly need to keep the likes of Vidic, because they're gonna have a huge problem going by the age of some of that squad in a year or two's time.

VDS - 39
Giggs - 36
Scholes - 35
Plug - 31
 
As soon as I read the quote from Ginsoak himself
saying he feared Vidic's head had been turned I knew he'd be off to Spain.

They don't seem to have much in terms of quality young players coming through either so there could be rough times ahead. *crosses fingers*
 
They've still got some decent youngsters mate. The Da Silva twins look the part, Evans is an excellent defender, Anderson might improve, and Ferguson rates Wellbeck so you never know.
 
I think Rafael looks quality, Fabio not so much. Agree with you on Evans he is going to be a top class Defender for many years. Welbeck and Macheda don't look any better than Ngog from what I have seen from them. It looks there days of £30 million purchases are over, at least for now, so they'll need some of these youngsters to step up.

Anderson and Nani are both very poor signings.
 
Yup...

Hargreaves - 18M
Berbatov - 30M
Tosic & Ljacic - 15M
Anderson & Nani - 35M

That's 100M right there. For absolutely fuck all return.
 
Well, I wouldn't say Berbatov has contributed fuck all, but not 30M worth of contribution.
 
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

True.

Oh how I wish Man United would endure some very poor form, so that we'd see a host of stories shitting all over their parlous finances.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

I wonder if it has anything to do with Ferguson's 'aura' as a manager. Rafa probably has not reached his level yet hence his transfers will probably get more focus than Ferguson.
 
The ever-excellent David Conn.

How the Glazer family are indebted to borrowing at Manchester United

The amount the owners are taking out of Old Trafford is causing rising concern among United supporters


The most striking revelations in the 322-page prospectus launched by the Glazer family last week to seek £500m in new bond loans for Manchester United were the five short paragraphs detailing the millions of pounds the family is personally taking out from the Old Trafford football club. Their borrowings, in particular, have prompted United supporters and some financial observers to question whether the Glazers have many businesses of their own which are currently making money, or much other access to cash.

In the section of the prospectus which provides the statutorily required biographies and "principal outside business interests" of the directors, three of the brothers, Avram, Joel and Bryan Glazer, have no other interests noted except at United and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the family's NFL franchise.

Earlier this month the Buccaneers finished bottom of their division after the Glazers, according to consistent reports, spent from the NFL's centrally distributed revenues $30m (£18.3m) less than the permitted maximum on players' salaries.

Darcie Glazer Kassewitz, a non-executive director of Red Football Limited, one of the companies the Glazers have formed to hold their shares in the club, is listed only as co-president of the Glazer Family Foundation, which assists charitable causes tied closely to the Tampa Bay franchise area. Only two brothers, Edward and Kevin, are listed with another outside business interest, as "officers", unspecified, of one of the family's long-term private companies, First Allied Corporation.

Between 1 July 2006 and 30 June 2009, the date of the most recent annual accounts released with the prospectus, Glazer-affiliated companies were paid £10m in "management and administration fees" and in June another Glazer company, SLP Partners, was given a consultancy agreement worth up to £2.9m a year, which will end if the bond scheme is fully taken up by lenders. To replace it, according to the document, United "expect to enter into a management services agreement" worth up to £6m a year with "one or more entities related to our ultimate shareholders [the Glazer family] for administration and management services". On page 115 of the document lies a further £3m the family will have a right to be paid out of United "in respect of services provided by directors, officers or employees" of the holding companies.

Most eye-catching were the personal loans, £10m in total, taken out of United on 19 December 2008: £1.66m to each of Malcolm Glazer's five sons and one daughter, who are directors of Red Football Limited. The loans carry an annual interest of 5.5% and are repayable on demand after five years.

Until the Companies Act was revised in 2006 it was illegal in England, punishable with a fine or even imprisonment, for a director to borrow money (above £5,000) from his company. That no longer applies but it is still highly unusual for a company of Manchester United's size and prominence to see directors personally borrowing money from it. In the Premier League it is absolutely exceptional; no directors at any other club have borrowed money from it. Indeed it is the opposite in most cases; the owners are lending millions to their clubs personally.

Keith Harris, the merchant banker at Seymour Pierce who has advised on four Premier League club takeovers and is a long-standing critic of football club purchases financed with heavy borrowing, said: "You would not expect directors to be borrowing money at a company of United's size and, although it is now allowed legally, it is generally still frowned upon because it does not create a good impression of the directors' governance of the company."

In the week since the prospectus was launched containing those disclosures of the millions the Glazers have been paid – on top of the £460m United have become liable to pay in interest, professional fees and interest rate hedges since the family's 2005 takeover – the family's spokesman, who also speaks for United on financial matters, has declined to explain why the fees and loans were taken out. This week he again declined to comment when asked what other businesses the Glazers are currently involved with, besides United and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, to discuss how First Allied Corporation is trading or what cash and assets the Glazers currently have.

When the Florida-based family emerged to buy United, in the teeth of opposition from supporters' groups and the board, including the current chief executive, David Gill, who warned of the "significant financial strain" the debt-soaked plans could place on the club, the family were described as billionaires, with interests in property and industry, as well as the Bucs. Some in football who did not heed the warnings believed so wealthy a family would put money into United, not take out £22.9m in fees and loans while transforming England's richest club to its most debt-laden, by loading on to the club itself the borrowings they took out to buy it in the first place.

Malcolm Glazer, now in his 80s and reported to have suffered a stroke, was a classic American self-made man, working his way relentlessly to buying and selling major companies after taking responsibility for his family's watch parts business at 15 when his father died. When he and his own six children took over United in 2005, the family still had significant holdings in Zapata, a company listed on the New York Stock Exchange, which in turn owned the fish oil firm, Omega Protein. Zapata sold Omega on 1 December 2006 for $29m and last summer the family sold their holding in Zapata itself, to a hedge fund, Harbinger Capital Partners, for $74m.

The business culture in the US for private companies is much less transparent than in the UK, where accounts, directors and significant transactions are all required to be publicly available via Companies House. Without the family making some information public voluntarily it is not possible to see how the First Allied Corporation, a private company which invests in property, mostly shopping malls, has been faring. The company is registered with the New York Department of State, giving an office in Rochester, New York, as its principal address and Malcolm Glazer as the chairman or chief executive officer. A spokeswoman for the department said that in New York law there is no requirement for the company to file details of any other directors or annual accounts.

Some in this vacuum of information, considering the only facts which are publicly known – sales of the other Glazer holdings, the downturn in property values, the highly borrowed method of financing the United deal, plus the fees and loans taken out of Old Trafford – are asking whether the family have ready sources of funds other than Manchester United and the Bucs.

"We do not know because the owners of our great club so rarely say anything," said Nick Towle, chair of the Manchester United Supporters' Trust, which has always campaigned against the Glazers' debt-introducing takeover. "Certainly we have been proven sadly right when we warned that these people would provide United with not one penny to spend, if they took over, but instead take millions out."
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

Berb has done a sight more than Keane or Aquaman.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38544.msg1039765#msg1039765 date=1264054005]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

Berb has done a sight more than Keane or Aquaman.


[/quote]

So the investment of 30M is justified then, yeah?

What about Anderson & Nani for 35M?

Huh?
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38544.msg1039765#msg1039765 date=1264054005]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

Berb has done a sight more than Keane or Aquaman.


[/quote]

Neither of whom cost 30M
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38544.msg1039748#msg1039748 date=1264050502]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

True.

Oh how I wish Man United would endure some very poor form, so that we'd see a host of stories shitting all over their parlous finances.
[/quote]

I've been praying for that for the last two weeks especially.

It's been fucking brutal over here.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039767#msg1039767 date=1264054102]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38544.msg1039765#msg1039765 date=1264054005]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

Berb has done a sight more than Keane or Aquaman.


[/quote]

So the investment of 30M is justified then, yeah?

What about Anderson & Nani for 35M?

Huh?
[/quote]

My united supporting friend actually think Nani is going to rot his career away at United. He isn't trusted to play and the fans don't want him playing. He is our Babel, but worse.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

I wonder if it has anything to do with Ferguson's 'aura' as a manager. Rafa probably has not reached his level yet hence his transfers will probably get more focus than Ferguson.
[/quote]

It's to do with Ferguson winning 3 league titles on the bounce.

If Rafa had won the title last year, who would have cared about the money he wasted on Keane or Dossena?
 
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38544.msg1039941#msg1039941 date=1264074967]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=38544.msg1039753#msg1039753 date=1264051623]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

I wonder if it has anything to do with Ferguson's 'aura' as a manager. Rafa probably has not reached his level yet hence his transfers will probably get more focus than Ferguson.
[/quote]

It's to do with Ferguson winning 3 league titles on the bounce.

If Rafa had won the title last year, who would have cared about the money he wasted on Keane or Dossena?
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Exactly right.

Still, any bad news from Salford is good news.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38544.msg1039765#msg1039765 date=1264054005]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

Berb has done a sight more than Keane or Aquaman.


[/quote]

Behave yourself DB. Aqui's only played 3 games for fucks sake. Bit harsh that - give him a chance to play and impress first before passing judgement
 
More woes for them. O'Shea is out for the rest of the season.

I have a good friend who is a massive united supporter, he has kept his mouth shut during our slump. When I asked him why he wasn't giving it loads he explained that he genuinely feared that they would be in the same boat next season.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38544.msg1039948#msg1039948 date=1264075908]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38544.msg1039765#msg1039765 date=1264054005]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38544.msg1039747#msg1039747 date=1264050338]
Can you imagine if Rafa had signed Berbatov for 30M and he'd given us those same performances?

This website would have melted.
[/quote]

Berb has done a sight more than Keane or Aquaman.


[/quote]

Behave yourself DB. Aqui's only played 3 games for fucks sake. Bit harsh that - give him a chance to play and impress first before passing judgement
[/quote]

I sometimes wonder if DB is really a Scum Chum.
 
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