Lukaku's Giant Penis Terrace Chant Is Racist

[Glen C]

When it comes to racism isn't intention irrelevant?

I.e. If people are offended that's enough grounds for it to be considered so?

I don't see how. I remember before it was seen as fine to use the word oriental when talking about someone from Asia. Now I know someone that used that word last year and was told that its now offensive? He's not racist as he didn't intend any offense, just didn't know any better. Admittedly i didn't know that either and could have easily have been me.

 

[Dreambeliever]

I don't see how. I remember before it was seen as fine to use the word oriental when talking about someone from Asia. Now I know someone that used that word last year and was told that its now offensive? He's not racist as he didn't intend any offense, just didn't know any better. Admittedly i didn't know that either and could have easily have been me.

I don't disagree but every bit on training I've done at numerous work locations have said the same thing, i.e. Intention is irrelevant and ignorance is not a defense.

 

[50 shades of red]

The record-breaking Kenyan distance runners come from a particular area of Kenya, the home of the Kalenjin tribe. A few years ago, there was a Kenyan studying at an American university who wasn't interested in running. Some friends realised that he originated from that tribe and ought to be a good runner. They persuaded him to take part in running competitions, and he was soon winning medals galore!

There seems to be a feeling about that it is somehow racist to enter into this kind of discussion. My own opinion is that if it is true, what is the harm in talking about it?

If football folklore is to be believed, that Kenyan was also the star of the dorms

 

[Athens]

Did you know that back in the olden days, maps used to have east at the top and that's why we use the word orient when talking about directions.

Also, a friend of mine used to go out with a girl from Thailand and he called her the mental oriental.

 

[Portly]

Of course "oriental" just means "eastern" and there is no way that could possibly be offensive in itself, unless used in some kind of derogatory way.

Some people make a career out of inventing things to be offended about.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Maybe the law is different down under*

*I not referring to between my toes either

I'm pretty sure you could be approached by a Policeman in Australia if you were putting a noose round a black man's neck whilst wearing a pointed white hood & cape, only for the officer to say "D'you want a hand there mate?"

 

[Dreambeliever]

I'm pretty sure you could be approached by a Policeman in Australia if you were putting a noose round a black man's neck whilst wearing a pointed white hood & cape, only for the officer to say "D'you want a hand there mate?"

Ha, these days even Indians are getting a break from racism, Islam and gay marriage are the hot beds

 

[dantes]

When it comes to racism isn't intention irrelevant?

I.e. If people are offended that's enough grounds for it to be considered so?

Not on the street. In football you are correct. Intention is irrelevant, but the other person doesn't have to be offended the FA only need to find that a reasonable person would be offended. Also that would be defined as using racially offensive language, there's no such thing as actual racism or racists in football.

 

[dantes]

In terms of Kick It Out, the 'It' refers to racially offensive language, not to racism. The other 'It' refers to a shit remake.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Of course "oriental" just means "eastern" and there is no way that could possibly be offensive in itself, unless used in some kind of derogatory way.

I think that's actually the reason it's not a word that should be used. If you don't use it to describe yourself (and people from the east don't think of themselves as eastern, it's a relative term) then its probably not a term others should use. It was also a word used when westerners thought of themselves as "better". It's easy enough to stick to Chinese/Japanese etc anyway.

 

[Fabio]

For me eastern/oriental when using it for many different countries, gives the distinct impression that they all look the same to the person saying it.

So for that reason, raycest

 

[juniormember]

I think that's actually the reason it's not a word that should be used. If you don't use it to describe yourself (and people from the east don't think of themselves as eastern, it's a relative term) then its probably not a term others should use. It was also a word used when westerners thought of themselves as "better". It's easy enough to stick to Chinese/Japanese etc anyway.

Don’t think here’s much wrong with using a relative term from where one lives. To me, racist terms are words that were initially used in deregotary manners during our history. To me oriental doesn’t seem to be a word originally used in deregatory fashion?
I can tell the difference between most Chinese and Japanese people by their looks, but it’s perfectly understandable for those not familiar to not be able to tell them apart. So ‘Asian’ could be used, but then there are Asian countries with completely different looks and skin colour. Oriental seems fine to me, though I imagine that was something originally used to describe the Chinese rather than the Japanese.
I’m going nowhere with this..

 

[Portly]

For me eastern/oriental when using it for many different countries, gives the distinct impression that they all look the same to the person saying it.

So for that reason, raycest

So is the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies a racist institution, then?

 

[rurikbird]

I don't think of the word oriental as offensive, just a bit archaic – the same way occidental is an archaic way to say Western. It's just not something you would normally hear in a conversation (outside of academia at least).

 

[dantes]

So is the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies a racist institution, then?

Of course they're racists, they're a university.

 

[Woland]

Some Chinese dude was telling me that oriental is considered racist when a yank says it but not a european. Something to do with the term acquiring a derogatory meaning there but not here

It's a frickin minefield I tell ya

 

[Fabio]

So is the University of London School of Oriental and African Studies a racist institution, then?

Probably. How come they can use the continent for africa but not Asia?

 

[Fabio]

Some Chinese dude was telling me that oriental is considered racist when a yank says it but not a european. Something to do with the term acquiring a derogatory meaning there but not here

It's a frickin minefield I tell ya

It's made more irritating when some people aren't offended by anything, and other are offended by everything.

Glen C couldn't give a fuck about all this

Other people would be all about the racism

No one knows because it's subjective as to what is racist/xenophobic. People now are trying to play it too safe, which is fine up to a point. And us honkeys can't really make a comment on it because we've suffered minimal racist attacks. So we play it carefully.

Wise, but you'll offend someone at some point, regardless.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Well, there should be a considerable difference then in muscle characteristics between East/West Africans. The former are pretty shit sprinters but dominate endurance contests.

I guess The Guardian is not the place for a comparative cock size study for another possible underlying mechanism

So close!

Perhaps it's bad to stereotype "blacks" because the genetic variance within that stupid classification is bigger than it is between many different "races"?

 

[Rosco]

I'm pretty sure thats racist Mamma Mia.

You could be forgiven for saying 'blacks' but referring to 'that stupid classification ' is horrendous

 

[Woland]

Well anyways Spurs fans sing a very similar song about Vertongen. If the Lukaku one is considered racist then this gets all kinds of messed up.

 

[Fabio]

Well anyways Spurs fans sing a very similar song about Vertongen. If the Lukaku one is considered racist then this gets all kinds of messed up.

Clearly it must be that Belgians have big cocks

Poor kids

 

[Mamma Mia]

The record-breaking Kenyan distance runners come from a particular area of Kenya, the home of the Kalenjin tribe. A few years ago, there was a Kenyan studying at an American university who wasn't interested in running. Some friends realised that he originated from that tribe and ought to be a good runner. They persuaded him to take part in running competitions, and he was soon winning medals galore!

There seems to be a feeling about that it is somehow racist to enter into this kind of discussion. My own opinion is that if it is true, what is the harm in talking about it?

I went to school with a Kenyan who was pressured into running despite not being keen on it. He was much more more interested in physics and programming.

He was encouraged and promised how great it was going to be for him and he trained for years but was never quite good enough and the people who pushed him into running all showed their disappointment.

He excelled academically throughout high school, but in our final two years he was generally seen as a failure. He would often get jibes about whether he was really Kenyan all sorts of jokes/teasing like that.

He's a pretty successful electromechanical engineer now who runs his own software development company, and he still talks about how much he hated life in high school and how hard it was for him.

It's pretty fucking stupid to make any assumptions or have any expectations of an individual, whether 'positive' or 'negative', based on the color of their skin.

There's nothing wrong with discussing any research that shows evidence of characteristics that are more or less likely within a genetically similar group.

Imagine being Lukaku and having an average sized dick. It may not be offensive to hear the chant while on the field, but it would be pretty shitty when he meets a girl he likes and has to wonder whether she's going to be disappointed.

Shitty personal experiences due to nothing other than people having an expectation or preconception that you had no control over. That's what racism does.

 

[Glen C]

I went to school with a Kenyan who was pressured into running despite not being keen on it. He was much more more interested in physics and programming.

He was encouraged and promised how great it was going to be for him and he trained for years but was never quite good enough and the people who pushed him into running all showed their disappointment.

He excelled academically throughout high school, but in our final two years he was generally seen as a failure. He would often get jibes about whether he was really Kenyan all sorts of jokes/teasing like that.

He's a pretty successful electromechanical engineer now who runs his own software development company, and he still talks about how much he hated life in high school and how hard it was for him.

It's pretty fucking stupid to make any assumptions or have any expectations of an individual, whether 'positive' or 'negative', based on the color of their skin.

There's nothing wrong with discussing any research that shows evidence of characteristics that are more or less likely within a genetically similar group.

Imagine being Lukaku and having an average sized dick. It may not be offensive to hear the chant while on the field, but it would be pretty shitty when he meets a girl he likes and has to wonder whether she's going to be disappointed.

Shitty personal experiences due to nothing other than people having an expectation or preconception that you had no control over. That's what racism does.

Unless of course he has a cock size like Dion Dublin then he won't be worried at all.

 

[tombrown]

Clearly it must be that Belgians have big cocks

Poor kids

Isn't there a town in Belgium where they have a statue of a lad with his lad out, pissing on a fire, thereby saving the town from burning down. So all Belgians have cocks like fire hoses.

 

[Woland]

I went to school with a Kenyan who was pressured into running despite not being keen on it. He was much more more interested in physics and programming.

He was encouraged and promised how great it was going to be for him and he trained for years but was never quite good enough and the people who pushed him into running all showed their disappointment.

He excelled academically throughout high school, but in our final two years he was generally seen as a failure. He would often get jibes about whether he was really Kenyan all sorts of jokes/teasing like that.

He's a pretty successful electromechanical engineer now who runs his own software development company, and he still talks about how much he hated life in high school and how hard it was for him.

It's pretty fucking stupid to make any assumptions or have any expectations of an individual, whether 'positive' or 'negative', based on the color of their skin.

There's nothing wrong with discussing any research that shows evidence of characteristics that are more or less likely within a genetically similar group.

Imagine being Lukaku and having an average sized dick. It may not be offensive to hear the chant while on the field, but it would be pretty shitty when he meets a girl he likes and has to wonder whether she's going to be disappointed.

Shitty personal experiences due to nothing other than people having an expectation or preconception that you had no control over. That's what racism does.

What about when Vertonghen gets a girl home, shags her, and she doesn't even die? Everyone ends up embarrassed.

 

[manwithnoname]

Isn't there a town in Belgium where they have a statue of a lad with his lad out, pissing on a fire, thereby saving the town from burning down. So all Belgians have cocks like fire hoses.

I've seen that. It's a child's cock and quite tiny.

Something Pis, I think it's called.

 

[tombrown]

I've seen that. It's a child's cock and quite tiny.

Something Pis, I think it's called.

So you've been looking at kids' cocks?

 

[manwithnoname]

So you've been looking at kids' cocks?

I think lots of tourists touch it for luck.

 

[Portly]

It;s the Manneken Pis, in Brussels.