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Luis Suarez pwned by the Lizards and is Staying, and has said sorry to BR and teammates

Yeah, that article is pretty much my take on it.

He wants to go to Real and is using the Arsenal interest.
 
I really don't care if he goes as long as he doesn't join that shower of cunts. Why would he want to stay in UK after what he's said and play for a trophyless passion-vaccuum?
Just so he can play in the champions league until February when they get knocked put, again.
Amazing stuff.

I actually think Arsenal, and i dont believe their interest is anything but a cover for Madrid, would be the ideal scenario for him. It has disaster written all over it, he wins no trophies, they get a striker who is woefully inaccurate, we get a ton of money and he becomes a national pariah

Done deal, for only 50 million pounds please Mr Wenger
 
This 'Buy Out Cluase' is about as incredible as the third secret of Fatima. No cunt has seen it but everyone knows whats in it.
 
He's banned from going on strike.


Ed+Miliband+


Whilst I disagree with this in principle, I rrrrrrrrreally want to say that I support it in practice.
 
Rory Smith's blog entry today
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/8101?cc=4716

This is all starting to feel vaguely familiar. If the build-up to Luis Suarez's seemingly inevitable exit from Liverpool mirrored that of his departure from Ajax - the wonderful goal-scoring form, the suggestion that he cannot fulfil his ambitions at his current club, the sudden taste for human flesh - then the act of it may well draw from another chapter in his career.

On the surface, Arsenal's reported bid of £40,000,001 for Liverpool's best player is a sly dig, a cheap shot, a light dash of humour in the otherwise po-faced gloom of the transfer market. That is certainly how John W Henry, Liverpool's increasingly absentee principal owner, took it, judging by his response to the offer on Twitter.

Appearances, though, can be deceptive. Arsenal are not messing around. Their bid was not a joke. It was, as Brendan Rodgers might say, all part of the dance.

There is a clause in Suarez's contract at Anfield - signed just last summer, lest we forget - which deals with what happens in the event of an offer arriving for the striker which exceeds the nice, round figure of £40 million.

Liverpool believe that clause stipulates that, should such a bid arrive, they are duty-bound to consider it and, whatever decision they reach, to inform the forward that he has been the subject of an offer. Quite how this differs from what normally happens is unclear.

Suarez's representatives - most notably his agent, Pere Guardiola - see it rather differently. They believe that if Liverpool receive an offer over and above that £40 million watermark, the club have to allow Suarez to speak to his suitor. They do not have to accept a bid, but by granting permission, one presumes they open a de facto negotiation with the buying club and give Suarez the chance to establish whether he wants to push for a move. Quite how this differs from what normally happens is unclear.

It is baffling that such a situation can arise, where a document that is - one imagines - supposed to be legally watertight could contain a clause which is open to such vastly different interpretations, and it is equally confusing as to quite why a club or a player would insert what appears to be such a pointless stipulation.

That said, this does appear to be the summer of ineffective clauses, as Arsenal know all too well. After all, Arsene Wenger's team have a buy-back option on Cesc Fabregas which allows them to match any offer that Barcelona receive for the midfielder and gives them first refusal should Fabregas tell the Spanish side he wants to return to north London. Again, quite what this accomplishes is anyone's guess.

Regardless, ours not to reason why and all that: the clause does exist, and so does the confusion over what it means. And so Arsenal - presumably encouraged by Guardiola - took what they, quite understandably, viewed as the only step which would help them establish quite what the situation is, and submitted a bid of over £40 million. Only just over, but still.

Liverpool, as was to be expected, stood by their interpretation of the clause, and rejected the offer; judging by Henry's response, Arsenal may have damaged their hopes of holding amicable talks with the Anfield side should they choose to return with a higher bid in the coming days and weeks.

That may not matter. Suarez has been in this situation before. When his first European club, Groningen, turned down an offer from Ajax for his services in 2007, the player engaged his legal team and took his club to court.

He did not win the case, but he had forced Groningen's hand. When Ajax returned with a better offer - not exactly an extortionate one, but a better one - they felt compelled to cut their losses and accept. Arsenal's bid, likewise, may have been designed to give Suarez the ammunition he needs to force a move out. He had already been in touch with his lawyers before news of the offer broke.

This is, whoever you support, a sad state of affairs. It is sad because it means Suarez's relationship with Liverpool will end on a sour note. It is sad because the club, who stood by him even as he threatened to drag their name through the mud, will see their support thrown back in their face.

It is sad because it offers an indictment of the reality of modern football, that a player will do all he can to avoid handing in a transfer request so as to remain eligible for all of the loyalty bonuses inserted into the contract he is trying to break.

It is sad because this saga could drag on for much of the rest of the summer, and there is nothing more mind-numbing than an incremental transfer soap opera, where every day brings no light but so much heat.

It is not just sad for Liverpool, because - make no mistake about this - it could happen to any club, such is the power players hold. It might not be Manchester United or Manchester City or Chelsea or Arsenal this time, but should any of those teams spend more than a year out of the Champions League, they can expect to find themselves in exactly the same position.

It is sad because others may learn from Suarez; it is sad because it offers a window on how little players value the teams they play for and the shirts they wear.

But mostly it is sad because football simply does not learn. Clubs increasingly resemble partners trapped in unhappy relationships, convinced they will be different, that they will be the one, that they can take the bad boy and make him good, that they can take the journeyman and make him stay. They cannot.

Suarez has already forced his way out of two clubs - Groningen and, to a lesser extent, Ajax - and seems to be at least paving the way to crowbar his way from a third. He is a Champions League player, and Liverpool are not a Champions League club. It is understandable that he wants to go. But should the manner in which he is trying to achieve it not raise a red flag at the Emirates?

There is no morality in football. That is no great surprise, no great revelation. Liverpool were widely and rightly chastised for their handling of both Suarez's major transgressions in English football, but that they reacted in such a way is not a curiously Scouse thing; circling the wagons - and possessing fans whose loyalty is blind and forgiving - is not unique to Merseyside. The vast majority of clubs would have responded in exactly the same way; if you believe your club is different, you're a dreamer or a fool.

Likewise, it is not just Arsenal who would consider buying someone with such a chequered past. Manchester City have made their interest plain to Suarez on a number of occasions since the incident in which he racially abused Patrice Evra at Anfield. Chelsea - given the John Terry incident - would find it hard to scramble onto the moral high ground. Manchester United have overlooked players attacking a fan and missing a drugs test. Maybe there is a line, somewhere, but it is blurred, indistinct.

Arsenal being prepared to overlook ethical considerations is one thing - a necessary, if unpalatable, reality - but their ability to turn a blind eye to Suarez's transfer history is more worrying. He has already forced his way out of two clubs - his departure from Ajax was less acrimonious but just as compulsory - and now seems to be paving the way to do the same to a third.

This prompts a question that, at some point, Arsenal really should have asked themselves: what's to say he won't do the same to us? Even if he leads them to a Premier League and Champions League double, there is always going to be someone who will offer more money, more glamour, more sunshine.

Why would they be any different to Liverpool, to Ajax, to Groningen? What makes them think they will be the exception? Even if they are prepared to spend all of that money to bring Suarez to the Emirates, despite all of his baggage, is signing him not a guarantee of trouble down the road? This feels familiar already. It is hard to escape the idea Suarez, and his clubs, are condemned to repeat history, time and again, less as tragedy, more as farce.
 
Luis Suarez: Liverpool striker can hold Arsenal talks after £40m bid

By David Ornstein and Ben SmithBBC Sport
Comments (1687)

Luis Suarez will be allowed to hold talks with Arsenal but Liverpool have no intention of selling their striker until his £50m-plus valuation is met.
Arsenal's club-record bid of £40m plus £1 was firmly rejected by Liverpool but Suarez now wants to hold talks with the north London club.
The approach triggered a clause in his contract that means he has been told of the bid and can now talk to Arsenal.
But Liverpool will not sell him until Arsenal up their offer significantly.
Suarez in numbers

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  • 30 goals in 44 appearances for Liverpool last season
  • Since joining from Ajax in January 2011 for £22.7m, has scored 51 in 96 appearances
  • 49 goals in 48 games for Ajax the season before joining Liverpool
  • 31 goals in 62 appearances for Uruguay
On Wednesday Suarez made his first appearance for Liverpool since his infamous bite on Chelsea defender Branislav Ivanovic's arm last season, coming off the bench in an 18-minute cameo during the Premier League club's 2-0 win over Melbourne Victory at the MCG.
With Liverpool 1-0 up, the Uruguayan laid on the Reds second for new signing Iago Aspas late in the match.
After the game Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers said: "There's nothing new to report, he [Suarez] is very much a Liverpool player and over the course of the next couple of weeks we've got to get him up to speed."
Rodgers did, however, remind Suarez of the debt he feels the player owes the Liverpool fans who have stood by him after two seasons of controversy.
"The support he has received from the supporters and the people of the city of Liverpool has been unrivalled," Rodgers added.
"In this period of time he's missed a lot of games for the club through various reasons. The people have stood by him like a son and really looked after him. Whatever happens in the coming weeks that will be in his mind because it's something you can never forget."
Liverpool have now turned down two offers from the Gunners, who are keen to boost their attacking options, while Real Madrid, now managed by Carlo Ancelotti, also remain interested in the player but have yet to make a formal offer.
Arsenal's record buys

  • Jose Antonio Reyes (Sevilla) £17.5m
  • Santi Cazorla (Malaga) £16m
  • Andrey Arshavin (Zenit St Petersburg) £15m
  • Sylvain Wiltord (Bordeaux) £13m
  • Thierry Henry (Juventus) £11m
Following Arsenal's most recent approach, a post on Liverpool owner John Henry's Twitter page read: "What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?"
It is unclear whether Henry is talking about Arsenal's attempts to sign Suarez or their valuation of the player.
While Liverpool remain determined to keep Suarez, who scored 30 goals for the club in 44 appearances last season, their resolve is likely to be tested if the bids continue to rise. Should Arsenal persist and have an improved bid accepted, it would more than double their previous highest initial outlay on a transfer.
The Gunners, whose first offer for Suarez was £30m, paid £17.5m to Sevilla for Jose Antonio Reyes in 2004.
Suarez wants to leave Anfield to play for a Champions League clubdespite only signing a new long-term deal last summer.
Speculation has grown about Suarez's future since he was punished with a 10-game ban at the end of April for biting Ivanovic.
The striker still has to serve six games of that suspension and was also banned in 2011 after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra.
Suarez joined Liverpool from Ajax in January 2011 in a £22.7m deal.
 
Real Madrid have recived 55 mill € from Napoli now that Higuain have left along with Albiol and Callejon.

Just give it to us and you can have Luis.
 
Some talk he's about to hand a transfer request in.
I'm an ignorant soul when it comes to these things but please indulge me - What does it mean if he hands in a request? He can 'request' all he fucking likes he's still under contract right?
 
I'm an ignorant soul when it comes to these things but please indulge me - What does it mean if he hands in a request? He can 'request' all he fucking likes he's still under contract right?

Just that he forgoes his loyalty bonus. It also lets other clubs know he wants out, which will put them in a better bargaining position.
 
I still have zero faith in our ability to replace him.

I hate these baseless snipes.

We sold Torres and replaced him for Luis Suarez for far less money and got a much better player.

Since then we've also added Coutinho and Sturridge who are brilliant and cost fuck all. There's every reason to have faith in our ability to replace Luis Suarez, and I hope we do it ASAP.
 
There's also the fact that for some reason, we always make strikers look better than they are. I can't remember a striker who was good for us and then went on to be better for another team. Some, like Torres went on to win things, but never played better.
 
If I was a billionaire football club owner and I knew some cunt like Suarez wanted out after all the shit he'd given me and my PR machine over the past eighteen months I'd be sticking polonium in the motherfucker's sushi.
 
If I was a billionaire football club owner and I knew some cunt like Suarez wanted out after all the shit he'd given me and my PR machine over the past eighteen months I'd be sticking polonium in the motherfucker's sushi.


Just as well for Suarez then that John Henry doesn't look sinister at all.
 
The Guardian reports that Liverpool are considering legal action against Arsenal who broke PL rules finding the clause in Suarez's contract.
 
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