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He was really poor today. Commented in the match thread it was like he was on quaaludes. Slow to react and dopey.
I can't stand him.
It's an attitude thing as much as anything - he thinks he's world class but everything he does on the field makes a laughing stock of that notion.
If he's so lacking in self awareness there isn't much hope for him. We only have two and half years left of him, at 120k a week.
It's an attitude thing as much as anything - he thinks he's world class but everything he does on the field makes a laughing stock of that notion.
If he's so lacking in self awareness there isn't much hope for him. We only have two and half years left of him, at 120k a week.
If only he was half the player he thinks he is.
I was sure when the line-up was announced that that would be our biggest issue.
Given the lack of creativity in our midfield, Robertson and TAA are crucial to our attacking play. I think Klopp tried to be defensive, given that Trent has had some defensive issues in the past, but this simply wasn't the game for it.
With their formation, and Neymar's complete reluctance to track back, Gomez was getting acres of space, but did very little with it. Trent would have done a lot more damage, and we'd have been a better attacking side.
This is of course apart from the fact that Gomez is just a better CB than Lovren.
Why did he play them against that opposition in the first game then?
Its a decision that looks all the more bizarre when you remember that Trent was excellent against them at Anfield. Its no surprise most of our attacking progress came down the left where Mane and Robbo were linking up. Gomez doesnt play that role, hes not nearly strong as Trent going forward, as a result Salah was isolated and ineffective.
Its a fuck up, its on Klopp. Hopefully he learns from it and we are better prepared next time.
Its a fuck up, its on Klopp. Hopefully he learns from it and we are better prepared next time.
Very possible, but id imagine Lovren is better suited to play against Everton than PSG right now
OK, but nobody has ever rated Lovren, and he is clearly not first-choice at CB anymore (I hope). But Henderson, while shit, wasn't alone, and who exactly is he back-up to?
The missing in action Fabinho, who seems to play in slow-motion at times, on the few occasions he has played?
Or Keita, who looks about as comfortable and confident in his surroundings as an Eritrean child soldier at Harry Potter World.
Much like the endless and tiresome Lucasphobia of a few years ago, this Lovren obsession is utterly pointless. When it's a team failure, time and time again, whether Lovren is in or out of the side, to fetishise his performance, or even mere presence, is close to being infantile. The performances in Europe this season have been alarmingly uneven at best, and, away from home, appalling, and that isn't the fault of one player, so I'm not sure what this kind of thread achieves except catharsis - and if it's that, it's sure as hell not working.
I didn't blame him alone for anything, Macca... He was not our only issue last night. Far from it. But when we play badly, 9 times out of 10, he's a big part of the overall team failure.
He's simply not good enough for a team that considers itself amoungst Europe's elite, in either ability nor attitude, and it kills me that he's still part of this team - I felt like venting. That's all.
You are correct...but i dont blame the players...it is all down to Klopp. I think so far all the away games he has basically asked them to defend and not to exert themselves. As a team we can defend but we aint the sort of team that has the right mindset to play for a tactical draw. The selections have been poor and strange.
That said maybe Klopp is trying his best not to tire the team out by January...and is focussed on league more when there is still a chance of qualification to the knock out stages with worse case scenarios taking place at the away CL fixtures.
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