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The way they play is really down to their manager. However as for comparing their midfield to ours - yes you can argue they are great and all but apart from KDB - I don' think the world of them like some of you. On our day - we can make them look ordinary, and KDB has been subdued by our players at least 3 times since he has been at City.

I think the focus should be more on the lack of effort and discipline by Arsenal - they were pathetic to the end, and did not bother trying - I was actually angry at the way they played - and go as far as saying that that team does not in anyway represent the sort of football Arsene Wenger teams have played in the last 20 years. That Golum eyed Turk/German - everytime he lost the ball - looked like he really could not be arsed. No running or pace from them - just kind of highlights how bad we must have been to draw our game against Arsenal from such a winning position.

It's all very good laughing at Arsenal but the truth is - if teams don't find a way of defeating City or at least find a way of stop getting beat by them by 3+ goals - it does not give any hope to us in the future coz we will lose and draw games, and our league wait will continue for another 28+ years at this rate.
 
You'd be right Silva has been amazing and KDB is already on another level

Those were not my words. The point was there is nothing remarkable about them, they're just great players like all the other great players from the past, of which there are too many for them to be remembered.

Referring to them as future greats of the game implied they are something more, which they are not. They won't be remembered like you'd remember the Zidane, Ronaldo sorts who had genuinely special ability and achievements. Players like that occupy a unique location in your memory. Players like Silva as good as they are get lumped in with 100 other equally good players and then fade into obscurity. This is obvious, you'll see in twenty years time.
 
Considering de bruyne doesn't play similar position to Salah, it's bizarre to compare.

Front 3 (as per appearances), sane aguero sterling Vs mane firmino and Salah . Hard to compare as both are excellent

Then it gets one sided. Silva, de bruyne and fernandinho absolutely rapes any combination of our midfield with pipe of pringles style girth.

Silva and de bruyne are genuine greats of the game

I think our front 3, with Firmino and Salah in the form they are in, is better then City’s front 3. Mane vs Sane and Aguero/Jesus vs Firmino is debatable, but even the most ardent City fan would take Salah over Sterling every time.

Midfield - yeah, no comparison. When Keita arrives it will be closer though.
 
‘We need more help’ – how Arsenal players feel about Wenger situation
During a meeting this week one senior player came close to tears as the anger and helplessness about Arsenal’s decline was laid bare. It also showed Arsène Wenger’s time is up
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Arsenal players walk off the Emirates pitch to boos after the 3-0 defeat by Manchester City. Photograph: Tom Jenkins/Guardian
The speech was delivered by one of the senior players in the Arsenal dressing room but he did not finish it. He was too choked up as he reflected on how such a talented squad had come to resemble a bunch of drifters. He said his children were asking him why Arsenal were so bad. That was the moment when the tears welled in his eyes.
Another Arsenal player stepped in. “We are a big club,” he said, tapping into the rallying cry theme. “But we need more help from the coaches.” That was when the damning judgment was articulated. It had actually been the motivation for the players to gather in the first place – without Arsène Wenger. “It’s not going to happen,” one of them said. “We need to find the answers ourselves.”

It was Tuesday of this week – the day of the first training session after Sunday’s Carabao Cup final humbling against Manchester City. The meeting of the players at London Colney was not aggressive in its tone, even if there were frank exchanges. It was more plaintive; coloured by soul-searching and a certain helplessness. It shone a glaring light on why Wenger’s time as the manager is up.
It is too easy in times of crisis to say the lavishly rewarded modern footballer does not care. The Arsenal squad do care; they beat themselves up over how they have slipped from Champions League to Europa League level. It embarrasses them that the fans have been so unhappy with so many of their performances. This is their livelihood. They have professional pride.
Wenger has always said he will step aside when he feels he can no longer draw the maximum from his players. Right now, he cannot get through to them at all and the frustration on all sides is overwhelming. It is causing the club to implode.
The weird thing about Thursday night’s Premier League fixture against City was that Arsenal played well during the first half. And yet they trailed 3-0 by the end of it and only a Petr Cech block from Sergio Agüero on 40 minutes stopped it from being worse. At that point only the hardest of hearts could feel no sympathy.
Arsenal’s heads did not go down after the first City goal – despite Wenger’s dire pre-match warning that in 85% of the big games the team that broke the deadlock came out on top. But things turned sharply upon the second and third goals. There were boos from the home support when the half-time whistle went, a chorus of “You’re not fit to wear the shirt” from a small section and, also, something new and darker – the team were booed out for the second half.
It was excruciating to see how City sliced through Arsenal on the counterattack, although it was not entirely surprising given the lack of defensive midfield balance in Wenger’s lineup. Arsenal gamely tried to play forward; City simply picked them off.

The no-shows had felt telling; the Emirates Stadium was only half-full. Never mind the horrible weather – this was one of the prestige matches of the season. The official attendance was given as 58,420 based on tickets sold, which drew the usual derision. Only at Arsenal can people get angry at something like that.
But this is the climate, one of volatility and extreme emotion, and Wenger remains the lightning rod. Whether he limps on into next season or is gently ushered off the premises is the all-consuming issue (again) and it is difficult to see how it cannot affect performances. Wenger admitted the uncertainty over his future had done so last season.
The City manager, Pep Guardiola, was asked on Thursday night whether he felt any sympathy towards Wenger and he talked generously about how he could “understand the situation”. Guardiola accepted it could happen to him or any of his peers, even if this rather overlooked the sheer scale of the Wenger Out saga. But a throwaway line stood out. “I’m sure he’s going to take the right decision, for the club, for him, for the players, for everybody,” Guardiola said.
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Arsène Wenger shows his dejection during Thursday’s game. Photograph: Tom Jenkins/Guardian
As far as Wenger is concerned there is no decision to take. He intends to remain in charge for next season and honour the final one on his contract. To hear Guardiola buy into the narrative and, essentially, validate it was revealing. Perhaps Guardiola has a little inside information. His coach, Mikel Arteta – the former Arsenal captain – has been touted as a potential successor to Wenger.
There were mitigating factors for Arsenal’s second 3-0 loss to City in the space of five days; namely that it was City. They have greater resources and better players. But it still felt like a damaging setback; a point of no return. Even Wenger’s patented knack of bouncing back from a bad defeat had deserted him.
On the other hand, we have been here before – most recently at Crystal Palace last April. After the 3-0 defeat that night, the notion of Wenger continuing for another season felt outlandish. He somehow stabilised and ended up winning the FA Cup. This time out he has his sights on the Europa League.
Wenger talked the fighting talk before Sunday’s trip to Brighton & Hove Albion, albeit in a weary way, and he admitted that his players’ confidence levels were low. He looked shot to pieces although, as ever, he trooped through his various media obligations with stoicism and dignity. Nobody likes to see this gentleman under such fire. More than anything, the situation is sad.
The club have adopted a siege mentality in which they refuse to look beyond the next game. But Wenger’s judgment day is drawing nearer. Stan Kroenke, the majority shareholder, had one target for the season – to reboard the Champions League gravy train. It has come to look further away.
Would Kroenke pull the trigger on Wenger? It would be a surprise if he did not.
 
I think our front 3, with Firmino and Salah in the form they are in, is better then City’s front 3. Mane vs Sane and Aguero/Jesus vs Firmino is debatable, but even the most ardent City fan would take Salah over Sterling every time.

Im surprised at how many people are saying they would take Firmino over Aguero. I think Aguero is genuinely one of the best finishers on the planet and Id have him in our team any day.
 
Im surprised at how many people are saying they would take Firmino over Aguero. I think Aguero is genuinely one of the best finishers on the planet and Id have him in our team any day.

It’s a Liverpool forum. No one on a non-Liverpool forum would favour Firmino in a million years.
 
People seem to think aguero just stays on the shoulder of the the defender and doesn't get involved otherwise

He's simply a majestic player. Another striker who will be remembered for years in this league
I totally agree. The way he gets his shots on target with power almost every time is amazing. His general play is very good too.
But if Guardiola had Firmino in his squad, I can actually imagine him playing Firmino ahead of Aguero. If you know what I mean.
 
I totally agree. The way he gets his shots on target with power almost every time is amazing. His general play is very good too.
But if Guardiola had Firmino in his squad, I can actually imagine him playing Firmino ahead of Aguero. If you know what I mean.

Yes, he played Gotze and Muller up front ahead of Lewandowski, so there is precedent there. And of course Aguero himself has been often benched by Guardiola for the most important games, i.e. Manchester derby and some decisive CL group stage games.
 
Yes, he played Gotze and Muller up front ahead of Lewandowski, so there is precedent there. And of course Aguero himself has been often benched by Guardiola for the most important games, i.e. Manchester derby and some decisive CL group stage games.

I remember there being a fair bit of talk when Guardiola first came to City that Aguero didn't work hard enough for his liking.

Some City fans reckon this is Aguero's last season and he'll be moved on in the summer though perhaps that was dependent on them getting Sanchez.
 
I remember there being a fair bit of talk when Guardiola first came to City that Aguero didn't work hard enough for his liking.

Some City fans reckon this is Aguero's last season and he'll be moved on in the summer though perhaps that was dependent on them getting Sanchez.

There was a piece in the paper summarizing who looked like having lost on the Sanchez deal. In short it was Wenger, Arsenal, Man U and Sancez. So maybe they should cherish Aguero when they have him.
 
I remember there being a fair bit of talk when Guardiola first came to City that Aguero didn't work hard enough for his liking.

Some City fans reckon this is Aguero's last season and he'll be moved on in the summer though perhaps that was dependent on them getting Sanchez.
Lots of talk about Jesus being his first choice too
 
A hahahaha.

7 minutes in & they concede from a corner.

Cech looks like a microcosm of this Arsenal side, comes for the corner, isn't strong enough & fumbled the catch.

Hahahaha.
 
They were lucky not to concede there.

Their defence is fucking shocking. No one seems to know where to be from set pieces & if Brighton play the ball across the box everyone just stands still as if someone else will deal with it.
 
I'll preface that last statement though, in that if they were to get soundly beaten today somehow, then the board may consider it.

Getting beaten three nil by City twice in two games is one thing, to do it against Brighton is a much bigger issue.
 
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