Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Match thread
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Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44417.msg1295208#msg1295208 date=1299395824]
It will probably be:
Reina
Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger
Lucas Spearing
Kuyt Meireles Cole
Suarez
4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1. Lots of options.
Our midfield is shite though, and it will take a immense performance from all three if we're going to get something out of this.
[/quote]
Is Gerrard out?
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44417.msg1295208#msg1295208 date=1299395824]
It will probably be:
Reina
Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger
Lucas Spearing
Kuyt Meireles Cole
Suarez
4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1. Lots of options.
Our midfield is shite though, and it will take a immense performance from all three if we're going to get something out of this.
[/quote]
Is Gerrard out?
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44417.msg1295224#msg1295224 date=1299402689]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44417.msg1295208#msg1295208 date=1299395824]
It will probably be:
Reina
Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger
Lucas Spearing
Kuyt Meireles Cole
Suarez
4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1. Lots of options.
Our midfield is shite though, and it will take a immense performance from all three if we're going to get something out of this.
[/quote]
Skrtel's suspended mate.
[/quote]
He's in the squad mate, so I don't think so. The offal has no listed suspensions either.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44417.msg1295224#msg1295224 date=1299402689]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44417.msg1295208#msg1295208 date=1299395824]
It will probably be:
Reina
Johnson Carra Skrtel Agger
Lucas Spearing
Kuyt Meireles Cole
Suarez
4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1. Lots of options.
Our midfield is shite though, and it will take a immense performance from all three if we're going to get something out of this.
[/quote]
Skrtel's suspended mate.
[/quote]
He's in the squad mate, so I don't think so. The offal has no listed suspensions either.
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
From the offal :
'Why United means more for us than them'
Given Old Trafford is only a 35 mile trek down the M62, it’s no surprise Manchester United are forever grazing the surface of our subconscious.
Ears will stand up slightly more when their name is uttered on the radio; eyes will scour the television or through mobile phones, darting towards the name of Manchester United in order to discover their fate that afternoon.
Pain is sourced from their success; pleasure is brought by their downfall. That’s not obsession, as some would claim – it’s simply football rivalry.
All these emotions intensify in the weeks leading to the next meeting. Ears perk up that little bit sharper; eyes scour that little bit quicker. The pain and pleasure brought by their endeavours touches that little bit stronger.
Even last Sunday, seven days and 180 miles from our date with United, thoughts turned to them.
Trips to London to watch Liverpool Football Club evoke a kaleidoscopic slideshow of memories following the Reds, both good and bad. The tube map which defines the city is akin to an advent calendar, with each stop a window displaying moments experienced by us and our ancestors.
But it doesn’t matter if we’re on the Hammersmith and City eastbound to West Ham or the Victoria northbound to Seven Sisters, there’s always one stop that I reminisce about more.
District line. Southbound. Putney Bridge.
A mile and a half from Fulham’s Craven Cottage, Putney Bridge appears to be like most other minor tube stations in west London’s suburbia. Not even the excellent Eight Bells pub adjacent to the station – owned by Liverpool supporters – is enough to distinguish it from others.
But as you walk towards the stadium, the breeze from the Thames brushes along your cheek – and with it carries a faint, two-year-old noise into your ear. A noise which is stuck in our conscious, deposited in our minds like the sediment on the side of the riverbank.
As Yossi Benayoun hit the net in the 93rd minute in April 2009, bedlam was unleashed.
It was a celebration so raucous and devoid of control, you wouldn’t be surprised if Craven Cottage still shakes sometimes; it was a celebration so vociferous, it’s not impossible the 3,000 believing battlecries that we’re going to win the league still reverberate around Putney.
The goal symbolised so much. Liverpool FC were becoming the bastion of invincibility of yesteryear. Teams were being either callously disposed of, or, in the case of Fulham, repeatedly and relentlessly beaten until they eventually submitted. With each passing game, Liverpool looked like champions elect; the end of the 20-year wait for a title edged ever-nearer.
And then, an unknown 17-year-old Italian swung the title pendulum back towards Old Trafford. They had the momentum and the belief once more; no matter what we did, they responded in kind. Our wait would go on; our cries upon the Thames riverbank would forever blow in the wind.
It forever blows in my mind, too.
As someone who was 3-years-old the last time Liverpool lifted the title, there’s been 21 years of anecdotes from family and older friends about the emotion of watching Liverpool Football Club parade the trophy on a glowing May afternoon.
I experienced it, to a degree, at Wembley and Cardiff. I experienced it at Istanbul. After such a long wait, it would feel like all three rolled into one.
It hurt because it was United, but it hurt more because we’re Liverpool. For some, that wasn’t the case.
For some, Macheda’s goal didn’t stop us from our 19th league title – it handed United the one which brought them level with us.
That’s not the way it should be. The cheers at Craven Cottage that mild Saturday evening weren’t to celebrate a dent in United’s title hopes – it was to cheer Liverpool Football Club. Never should the former be more important than the latter.
To want a result to hurt United more than it helps Liverpool changes it from football rivalry to obsession, something this football club has never been about.
We’ve never sung about other teams when playing Wigan or West Brom. That’s why, regardless of our trophy haul, we know we were lucky to be born this side of the East Lancs Road.
We support Liverpool first and oppose Manchester United – and Everton – second. When Kenny leads out the side this weekend, he isn't doing it to stop Manchester United’s title charge. He’s doing it because he’s manager of Liverpool Football Club, and three points is what this club always strives for.
Despite last week’s disappointing result at Upton Park, there is an overriding feeling that Kenny is restoring us to our former glories.
As a support that has waited 20 years for the Scot to reclaim his rightful throne, patience shouldn’t be a problem as he readjusts the palace over the next few months.
Matches such as the West Ham loss will happen. It doesn’t push our progress back any further; it merely helps Kenny, Steve Clarke and the rest of the backroom staff assess the squad more succinctly.
Kenny won’t have a hard job to motivate the players this weekend. Regardless of the name on the scoreboard, the league leaders are playing at Anfield, and it’s a perfect opportunity to make a statement. Our climb might have only just begun, but we’re already more than capable against the table-topping sides.
We proved that against Chelsea – twice - and we can prove that against United. It would provide us with a springboard and give the players belief. Not because it’s Manchester United, but because it’s the team currently top of the table.
When Ferguson took over Manchester United, he stated his aim was to knock Liverpool from its perch. That’s not rivalry – that’s obsession. United fans may think a title win this season will mean he’s succeeded in doing that. For me, the Liverbird just flew away for 20 years.
Now, he’s back. And regardless of what number of titles United are on, Kenny Dalglish isn’t focusing on any perches, he’s just focusing on winning matches and trophies for Liverpool Football Club
From the offal :
'Why United means more for us than them'
Given Old Trafford is only a 35 mile trek down the M62, it’s no surprise Manchester United are forever grazing the surface of our subconscious.
Ears will stand up slightly more when their name is uttered on the radio; eyes will scour the television or through mobile phones, darting towards the name of Manchester United in order to discover their fate that afternoon.
Pain is sourced from their success; pleasure is brought by their downfall. That’s not obsession, as some would claim – it’s simply football rivalry.
All these emotions intensify in the weeks leading to the next meeting. Ears perk up that little bit sharper; eyes scour that little bit quicker. The pain and pleasure brought by their endeavours touches that little bit stronger.
Even last Sunday, seven days and 180 miles from our date with United, thoughts turned to them.
Trips to London to watch Liverpool Football Club evoke a kaleidoscopic slideshow of memories following the Reds, both good and bad. The tube map which defines the city is akin to an advent calendar, with each stop a window displaying moments experienced by us and our ancestors.
But it doesn’t matter if we’re on the Hammersmith and City eastbound to West Ham or the Victoria northbound to Seven Sisters, there’s always one stop that I reminisce about more.
District line. Southbound. Putney Bridge.
A mile and a half from Fulham’s Craven Cottage, Putney Bridge appears to be like most other minor tube stations in west London’s suburbia. Not even the excellent Eight Bells pub adjacent to the station – owned by Liverpool supporters – is enough to distinguish it from others.
But as you walk towards the stadium, the breeze from the Thames brushes along your cheek – and with it carries a faint, two-year-old noise into your ear. A noise which is stuck in our conscious, deposited in our minds like the sediment on the side of the riverbank.
As Yossi Benayoun hit the net in the 93rd minute in April 2009, bedlam was unleashed.
It was a celebration so raucous and devoid of control, you wouldn’t be surprised if Craven Cottage still shakes sometimes; it was a celebration so vociferous, it’s not impossible the 3,000 believing battlecries that we’re going to win the league still reverberate around Putney.
The goal symbolised so much. Liverpool FC were becoming the bastion of invincibility of yesteryear. Teams were being either callously disposed of, or, in the case of Fulham, repeatedly and relentlessly beaten until they eventually submitted. With each passing game, Liverpool looked like champions elect; the end of the 20-year wait for a title edged ever-nearer.
And then, an unknown 17-year-old Italian swung the title pendulum back towards Old Trafford. They had the momentum and the belief once more; no matter what we did, they responded in kind. Our wait would go on; our cries upon the Thames riverbank would forever blow in the wind.
It forever blows in my mind, too.
As someone who was 3-years-old the last time Liverpool lifted the title, there’s been 21 years of anecdotes from family and older friends about the emotion of watching Liverpool Football Club parade the trophy on a glowing May afternoon.
I experienced it, to a degree, at Wembley and Cardiff. I experienced it at Istanbul. After such a long wait, it would feel like all three rolled into one.
It hurt because it was United, but it hurt more because we’re Liverpool. For some, that wasn’t the case.
For some, Macheda’s goal didn’t stop us from our 19th league title – it handed United the one which brought them level with us.
That’s not the way it should be. The cheers at Craven Cottage that mild Saturday evening weren’t to celebrate a dent in United’s title hopes – it was to cheer Liverpool Football Club. Never should the former be more important than the latter.
To want a result to hurt United more than it helps Liverpool changes it from football rivalry to obsession, something this football club has never been about.
We’ve never sung about other teams when playing Wigan or West Brom. That’s why, regardless of our trophy haul, we know we were lucky to be born this side of the East Lancs Road.
We support Liverpool first and oppose Manchester United – and Everton – second. When Kenny leads out the side this weekend, he isn't doing it to stop Manchester United’s title charge. He’s doing it because he’s manager of Liverpool Football Club, and three points is what this club always strives for.
Despite last week’s disappointing result at Upton Park, there is an overriding feeling that Kenny is restoring us to our former glories.
As a support that has waited 20 years for the Scot to reclaim his rightful throne, patience shouldn’t be a problem as he readjusts the palace over the next few months.
Matches such as the West Ham loss will happen. It doesn’t push our progress back any further; it merely helps Kenny, Steve Clarke and the rest of the backroom staff assess the squad more succinctly.
Kenny won’t have a hard job to motivate the players this weekend. Regardless of the name on the scoreboard, the league leaders are playing at Anfield, and it’s a perfect opportunity to make a statement. Our climb might have only just begun, but we’re already more than capable against the table-topping sides.
We proved that against Chelsea – twice - and we can prove that against United. It would provide us with a springboard and give the players belief. Not because it’s Manchester United, but because it’s the team currently top of the table.
When Ferguson took over Manchester United, he stated his aim was to knock Liverpool from its perch. That’s not rivalry – that’s obsession. United fans may think a title win this season will mean he’s succeeded in doing that. For me, the Liverbird just flew away for 20 years.
Now, he’s back. And regardless of what number of titles United are on, Kenny Dalglish isn’t focusing on any perches, he’s just focusing on winning matches and trophies for Liverpool Football Club
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44417.msg1295232#msg1295232 date=1299403701]
He's in the squad mate, so I don't think so. The offal has no listed suspensions either.
[/quote]
Ahhh.. fair enough. We need as many players available as poss, so good stuff.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44417.msg1295232#msg1295232 date=1299403701]
He's in the squad mate, so I don't think so. The offal has no listed suspensions either.
[/quote]
Ahhh.. fair enough. We need as many players available as poss, so good stuff.
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=themn link=topic=44417.msg1295231#msg1295231 date=1299403600]
Late fitness test apparently.
[/quote]
please pass it.
i dont think i could stomach watching jay spearing for the afternoon
[quote author=themn link=topic=44417.msg1295231#msg1295231 date=1299403600]
Late fitness test apparently.
[/quote]
please pass it.
i dont think i could stomach watching jay spearing for the afternoon
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
Gerrard never trained.
Agger has been passed fit.
Carroll is on the bench.
Gerrard never trained.
Agger has been passed fit.
Carroll is on the bench.
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44417.msg1295240#msg1295240 date=1299406478]
Gerrard never trained.
Agger has been passed fit.
Carroll is on the bench.
[/quote]
>🙁
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44417.msg1295240#msg1295240 date=1299406478]
Gerrard never trained.
Agger has been passed fit.
Carroll is on the bench.
[/quote]
>🙁
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44417.msg1295240#msg1295240 date=1299406478]
Gerrard never trained.
Agger has been passed fit.
Carroll is on the bench.
[/quote]Cheers Sheik
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44417.msg1295240#msg1295240 date=1299406478]
Gerrard never trained.
Agger has been passed fit.
Carroll is on the bench.
[/quote]Cheers Sheik
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44417.msg1295253#msg1295253 date=1299407564]
I don't give us a chance if Stevie is ruled out
[/quote]
really....... Cos i thought Gerrard was well off his best against West Ham and gave the ball away too often. He looks a bit porky too without much gametime recently.....
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44417.msg1295253#msg1295253 date=1299407564]
I don't give us a chance if Stevie is ruled out
[/quote]
really....... Cos i thought Gerrard was well off his best against West Ham and gave the ball away too often. He looks a bit porky too without much gametime recently.....
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
Dalglish: Fergie needs to show some respect
While the Liverpool boss avoided naming Ferguson directly, there was little doubt who he was Âreferring to when he said: “Sometimes I worry that the ones who shout the loudest get more Âbeneficial decisions – and that is totally Âunfair.
“This week the theme has been about referees and I’ve got to say that when I came back in as manager I was made fully aware of the respect campaign with regard to officials. I think we have adhered to the campaign in every respect.
“We have never come out and criticised match officials in an of our games.
“They have made mistakes in all of our games, but we’ve also made mistakes.
“It is impossible for officials not to make mistakes. But there is a respect campaign in football and I want to know whether we are going to be the only ones that Âadhere to it.â€
Dalglish’s comments will Âundoubtedly light the fuse before today’s explosive clash with United at Anfield.
There was no disguising that this was a a thinly-veiled attack on his old foe.
Dalglish feels Ferguson’s Âconstant attacks on referees is giving his team an unfair advantage on the pitch – even though the United manager faces a lengthy touchline ban after being hauled up before the FA this week for his criticism of Martin Atkinson following ÂTuesday night’s defeat at Chelsea.
Liverpool lost to a controversial first-minute Ryan Giggs penalty in Dalglish’s first game back as Âmanager in January – and also had skipper Steven Gerrard sent off.
The Kop legend is unhappy that clubs like United are not Âadhering to the FA’s Respect Âcampaign.
Dalglish went on: “I hope that we aren’t going to suffer as a club Âbecause we show respect to Âofficials.
“We will continue to respect the campaign – but only as long as we don’t suffer in any way, shape or form because of it.
“At this Âparticular moment, I don’t think anyone can argue that we haven’t suffered. We gave a good account of Âourselves in the FA Cup tie at Old Trafford when we lost to a poor penalty decision made in the first minute and then had ÂSteven ÂGerrard sent off.
“We will try our best to retain our dignity and show respect to referees, but we would also like to think they give us the respect we Âdeserve by at least trying to go along with the guidelines of the Âcampaign. ÂEverybody thinks they are hard done-by by referees – and you are at some stage. But sometimes you get some benefits as well.â€
Dalglish also felt the need to Âdefend female assistant Âreferee Sian Massey, who he felt was Âunfairly dropped from duty Âfollowing the sexist Âcomments which cost Andy Gray and ÂRichard Keys their jobs at Sky Sports. Massey was taken out of the firing line after Âofficiating in Liverpool’s 3-0 win at Wolves.
And Dalglish said: “We had an incident at Wolves when the lady official gave a decision that proved to be correct.
“Yet she was left out of games after that. Why? She did nothing wrong. Somebody else got Âpublicity this week for doing something wrong and what happens to them? They just continue.
“That lady official did nothing wrong and got punished. Is that going to encourage her?
“Maybe they said ‘you got it right pet, but don’t worry because you won’t be working next week’.â€
Dalglish’s controlled outburst proves that he won’t take a Âbackward step as he looks to Ârebuild Liverpool after almost 20 years of being left behind.
Ferguson said when he arrived at Old Trafford in 1986 that his brief was to “knock Liverpool off their f*****g perch.â€
And he famously clashed with Dalglish after a 3-3 draw at Anfield in 1988.
Dalglish told reporters they would get more sense from his baby daughter after hearing ÂFerguson complain about the ref.
Since then United have equalled Liverpool’s record of 18 league championships and will overtake their big rivals if they can maintain their current position at the top of the Premier League.
Dalglish, who celebrated his 60th birthday on Friday, said of 69-year-old Ferguson: “I don’t look at Âanyone’s age.
“But when you see somebody standing at the sidelines, studious and contemplating, it doesn’t mean he is less intense than somebody who is jumping up and down and shouting and bawling.
“Whichever way you do it you alway get tested by results – and certainly the results United have had have been fantastic.
“Fergie has got his own Âpersonality. But just because he has a different personality to Âsomeone who is more studious, it doesn’t mean a thing.â€
Dalglish: Fergie needs to show some respect
While the Liverpool boss avoided naming Ferguson directly, there was little doubt who he was Âreferring to when he said: “Sometimes I worry that the ones who shout the loudest get more Âbeneficial decisions – and that is totally Âunfair.
“This week the theme has been about referees and I’ve got to say that when I came back in as manager I was made fully aware of the respect campaign with regard to officials. I think we have adhered to the campaign in every respect.
“We have never come out and criticised match officials in an of our games.
“They have made mistakes in all of our games, but we’ve also made mistakes.
“It is impossible for officials not to make mistakes. But there is a respect campaign in football and I want to know whether we are going to be the only ones that Âadhere to it.â€
Dalglish’s comments will Âundoubtedly light the fuse before today’s explosive clash with United at Anfield.
There was no disguising that this was a a thinly-veiled attack on his old foe.
Dalglish feels Ferguson’s Âconstant attacks on referees is giving his team an unfair advantage on the pitch – even though the United manager faces a lengthy touchline ban after being hauled up before the FA this week for his criticism of Martin Atkinson following ÂTuesday night’s defeat at Chelsea.
Liverpool lost to a controversial first-minute Ryan Giggs penalty in Dalglish’s first game back as Âmanager in January – and also had skipper Steven Gerrard sent off.
The Kop legend is unhappy that clubs like United are not Âadhering to the FA’s Respect Âcampaign.
Dalglish went on: “I hope that we aren’t going to suffer as a club Âbecause we show respect to Âofficials.
“We will continue to respect the campaign – but only as long as we don’t suffer in any way, shape or form because of it.
“At this Âparticular moment, I don’t think anyone can argue that we haven’t suffered. We gave a good account of Âourselves in the FA Cup tie at Old Trafford when we lost to a poor penalty decision made in the first minute and then had ÂSteven ÂGerrard sent off.
“We will try our best to retain our dignity and show respect to referees, but we would also like to think they give us the respect we Âdeserve by at least trying to go along with the guidelines of the Âcampaign. ÂEverybody thinks they are hard done-by by referees – and you are at some stage. But sometimes you get some benefits as well.â€
Dalglish also felt the need to Âdefend female assistant Âreferee Sian Massey, who he felt was Âunfairly dropped from duty Âfollowing the sexist Âcomments which cost Andy Gray and ÂRichard Keys their jobs at Sky Sports. Massey was taken out of the firing line after Âofficiating in Liverpool’s 3-0 win at Wolves.
And Dalglish said: “We had an incident at Wolves when the lady official gave a decision that proved to be correct.
“Yet she was left out of games after that. Why? She did nothing wrong. Somebody else got Âpublicity this week for doing something wrong and what happens to them? They just continue.
“That lady official did nothing wrong and got punished. Is that going to encourage her?
“Maybe they said ‘you got it right pet, but don’t worry because you won’t be working next week’.â€
Dalglish’s controlled outburst proves that he won’t take a Âbackward step as he looks to Ârebuild Liverpool after almost 20 years of being left behind.
Ferguson said when he arrived at Old Trafford in 1986 that his brief was to “knock Liverpool off their f*****g perch.â€
And he famously clashed with Dalglish after a 3-3 draw at Anfield in 1988.
Dalglish told reporters they would get more sense from his baby daughter after hearing ÂFerguson complain about the ref.
Since then United have equalled Liverpool’s record of 18 league championships and will overtake their big rivals if they can maintain their current position at the top of the Premier League.
Dalglish, who celebrated his 60th birthday on Friday, said of 69-year-old Ferguson: “I don’t look at Âanyone’s age.
“But when you see somebody standing at the sidelines, studious and contemplating, it doesn’t mean he is less intense than somebody who is jumping up and down and shouting and bawling.
“Whichever way you do it you alway get tested by results – and certainly the results United have had have been fantastic.
“Fergie has got his own Âpersonality. But just because he has a different personality to Âsomeone who is more studious, it doesn’t mean a thing.â€
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=Bernowatson link=topic=44417.msg1295265#msg1295265 date=1299409154]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44417.msg1295253#msg1295253 date=1299407564]
I don't give us a chance if Stevie is ruled out
[/quote]
really....... Cos i thought Gerrard was well off his best against West Ham and gave the ball away too often. He looks a bit porky too without much gametime recently.....
[/quote]
I just can't see us getting any sort of hold on the game with a midfield of Jay, Lucas and Ming.
[quote author=Bernowatson link=topic=44417.msg1295265#msg1295265 date=1299409154]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44417.msg1295253#msg1295253 date=1299407564]
I don't give us a chance if Stevie is ruled out
[/quote]
really....... Cos i thought Gerrard was well off his best against West Ham and gave the ball away too often. He looks a bit porky too without much gametime recently.....
[/quote]
I just can't see us getting any sort of hold on the game with a midfield of Jay, Lucas and Ming.
Re: Liverpool Vs Manchester Utd: Pre-Match thread
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44417.msg1295223#msg1295223 date=1299402622]
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=44417.msg1295205#msg1295205 date=1299395595]
Danny Wilson was laughably bad against West Ham and I think it would be too early for him to face Rooney who is just coming into form.
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He had a bad first half, he's got to learn somehow, should we write him off based on one performance?
[/quote]
Like I said, I think it's too early... but if that is to be construed as writing someone off permanently based on one performance, go ahead.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44417.msg1295223#msg1295223 date=1299402622]
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=44417.msg1295205#msg1295205 date=1299395595]
Danny Wilson was laughably bad against West Ham and I think it would be too early for him to face Rooney who is just coming into form.
[/quote]
He had a bad first half, he's got to learn somehow, should we write him off based on one performance?
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Like I said, I think it's too early... but if that is to be construed as writing someone off permanently based on one performance, go ahead.
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