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Liverpool v Manchester City.
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=37341.msg994818#msg994818 date=1258814785]
It's unfair to judge Lucas based on that missed chance at the end. You have to judge him on the 90mins. He was a passenger.
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I'm sorry that's just not true - he had a good first half against Barry, Ireland and De Jong. So much so that Barry was eventually subbed. But an utterly desperate second.
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He doesn't do anything positive, doesn't do too much negative (nowadays) - he's the definition of a passenger. The only thing remotely positive I could give him is "he keeps the ball moving" and that's at a push.
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He's just in the wrong league. Lucas would be fine at a top French side or an upper-midtable Spanish side. Playing regularly for Liverpool in the PL, however, is well beyond his capabilities.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37341.msg994831#msg994831 date=1258814967]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=37341.msg994818#msg994818 date=1258814785]
It's unfair to judge Lucas based on that missed chance at the end. You have to judge him on the 90mins. He was a passenger.
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I'm sorry that's just not true - he had a good first half against Barry, Ireland and De Jong. So much so that Barry was eventually subbed. But an utterly desperate second.
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He doesn't do anything positive, doesn't do too much negative (nowadays) - he's the definition of a passenger. The only thing remotely positive I could give him is "he keeps the ball moving" and that's at a push.
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He's just in the wrong league. Lucas would be fine at a top French side or an upper-midtable Spanish side. Playing regularly for Liverpool in the PL, however, is well beyond his capabilities.
Rafa didn't react to Tevez' introduction, and we decided to sit off them with a team that is not great on the counter, atrocious at set piece defense, and poor in defense in general.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=37341.msg994855#msg994855 date=1258815529]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=37341.msg994848#msg994848 date=1258815345]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37341.msg994831#msg994831 date=1258814967]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=37341.msg994818#msg994818 date=1258814785]
It's unfair to judge Lucas based on that missed chance at the end. You have to judge him on the 90mins. He was a passenger.
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I'm sorry that's just not true - he had a good first half against Barry, Ireland and De Jong. So much so that Barry was eventually subbed. But an utterly desperate second.
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He doesn't do anything positive, doesn't do too much negative (nowadays) - he's the definition of a passenger. The only thing remotely positive I could give him is "he keeps the ball moving" and that's at a push.
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He's just in the wrong league. Lucas would be fine at a top French side or an upper-midtable Spanish side. Playing regularly for Liverpool in the PL, however, is well beyond his capabilities.
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I don't think he'll do that well anywhere. He's a loser, and he doesn't do anything particularly well. He's being outshone by Masherano and attacking impetus in terms of his passing, and of course Mascherano outshines him at all the things that Mascherano is supposed to be doing.
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=37341.msg994848#msg994848 date=1258815345]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37341.msg994831#msg994831 date=1258814967]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=37341.msg994818#msg994818 date=1258814785]
It's unfair to judge Lucas based on that missed chance at the end. You have to judge him on the 90mins. He was a passenger.
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I'm sorry that's just not true - he had a good first half against Barry, Ireland and De Jong. So much so that Barry was eventually subbed. But an utterly desperate second.
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He doesn't do anything positive, doesn't do too much negative (nowadays) - he's the definition of a passenger. The only thing remotely positive I could give him is "he keeps the ball moving" and that's at a push.
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He's just in the wrong league. Lucas would be fine at a top French side or an upper-midtable Spanish side. Playing regularly for Liverpool in the PL, however, is well beyond his capabilities.
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I don't think he'll do that well anywhere. He's a loser, and he doesn't do anything particularly well. He's being outshone by Masherano and attacking impetus in terms of his passing, and of course Mascherano outshines him at all the things that Mascherano is supposed to be doing.
To be fair Farky he only had one sub left at that stage and those 2 injuries were always going to cause us problems late in the game. I think there must have been 20 / 25 mins left when Tevez came on ..... too early for a last throw of the dice with only one sub left.
Also Aurelio played very well once he came on and we regained control of the game. Yossi was shot by then.
Also Aurelio played very well once he came on and we regained control of the game. Yossi was shot by then.
Yes, agreed. I've just watched it again and my overriding thought was; I'd love to fucking punch lucas in the face
I'm actually as angry at Lucas for just watching Ireland run off him to score as I am for that miss....
And I'm livid with Skyrtl for the 2nd goal too - WTF was he doing, trying to shepard that ball out from almost 30 yards up the field?
Yet again, idiotic defending, that would see 12 year olds dropped costs us dearly.
And I'm livid with Skyrtl for the 2nd goal too - WTF was he doing, trying to shepard that ball out from almost 30 yards up the field?
Yet again, idiotic defending, that would see 12 year olds dropped costs us dearly.
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the_khl
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What on earth is going on?
I can't remember a Liverpool team enjoying so much bad luck as beeing the case right now.
We looked like we were going to tear Citeh apart within the first five minutes and the we got hit by even more injuries and the players just looked flabbergasted for the remainings of the first half afterwards. As well as the manager, fans and everyone else caring for Liverpool did.
Second half and we had refound some of the spirit and we went ahead only to see us drop way to deep in desperate fear of conceeding, as we've got no confidence in the back whatsoever. And then we obviously conceeded twice and both goals came down too horrendous not Liverpool-like defending.
Every player (bar Masher) looked knackered at the end and you can't blame the most of them really. They are either coming back from injuries or are still very young learning their trade. Ngog, Insua and even Lucas are still around 20-years-old and you really can't expect any of them to be the ones carrying the team in times like these. They are all decent players (also Lucas albeit having an awful game even by his standards) but they are influenced greatly by this abysmal spell.
I don't think there's any reason to blame the manager for this either. We easily looked the better team, this even though we are so obviously standing right in the middle of one heavy storrm.
This team will soon be looked upon as a success I'm sure, even though things are looking rather grim right now.
The darkest times are those right before dawn remember.
I can't remember a Liverpool team enjoying so much bad luck as beeing the case right now.
We looked like we were going to tear Citeh apart within the first five minutes and the we got hit by even more injuries and the players just looked flabbergasted for the remainings of the first half afterwards. As well as the manager, fans and everyone else caring for Liverpool did.
Second half and we had refound some of the spirit and we went ahead only to see us drop way to deep in desperate fear of conceeding, as we've got no confidence in the back whatsoever. And then we obviously conceeded twice and both goals came down too horrendous not Liverpool-like defending.
Every player (bar Masher) looked knackered at the end and you can't blame the most of them really. They are either coming back from injuries or are still very young learning their trade. Ngog, Insua and even Lucas are still around 20-years-old and you really can't expect any of them to be the ones carrying the team in times like these. They are all decent players (also Lucas albeit having an awful game even by his standards) but they are influenced greatly by this abysmal spell.
I don't think there's any reason to blame the manager for this either. We easily looked the better team, this even though we are so obviously standing right in the middle of one heavy storrm.
This team will soon be looked upon as a success I'm sure, even though things are looking rather grim right now.
The darkest times are those right before dawn remember.
Being shit isn't bad luck.
[quote author=Sheik (Loki) Yerbouti link=topic=37341.msg994878#msg994878 date=1258816632]
Being shit isn't bad luck.
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Exactly. The beach ball was bad luck. Most other things have been down to shitness.
Being shit isn't bad luck.
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Exactly. The beach ball was bad luck. Most other things have been down to shitness.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994876#msg994876 date=1258816593]
I can't remember a Liverpool team enjoying so much bad luck as beeing the case right now.
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We've had very bad luck, but in this game we were lucky to get a draw off a deflection. We were on top of city, without creating anything, then when they bothered to attack, they scored because our defense is poor.
You don't win games by passing the ball ineffectually around the perimeter. That's why Lucas is so instrumental in us not winning games.
I can't remember a Liverpool team enjoying so much bad luck as beeing the case right now.
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We've had very bad luck, but in this game we were lucky to get a draw off a deflection. We were on top of city, without creating anything, then when they bothered to attack, they scored because our defense is poor.
You don't win games by passing the ball ineffectually around the perimeter. That's why Lucas is so instrumental in us not winning games.
I owe the pub landlord a pint... he said forget about the draw but in my drunken state last night I confidently told him we would batter them and he could have the draw 🙁
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the_khl
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
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In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
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I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
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I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
[quote author=Sheik (Loki) Yerbouti link=topic=37341.msg994777#msg994777 date=1258813988]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=37341.msg994773#msg994773 date=1258813883]
for Yossi. Fucking bollocks Rafa
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He shows absolutely no ambition to take the game to other teams.
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Another fucking master stroke, we need to win the game and he brings on a shit porcelain left-back. FFS.
Benayoun was happy to stay on.
Any soft cunt could see the obvious last throw of the dice was Aqualani on for Lucas.
The lack of firepower and his gamble on Aqualani have blown up in Rafa's face and are costing us in every game.
regards
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=37341.msg994773#msg994773 date=1258813883]
for Yossi. Fucking bollocks Rafa
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He shows absolutely no ambition to take the game to other teams.
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Another fucking master stroke, we need to win the game and he brings on a shit porcelain left-back. FFS.
Benayoun was happy to stay on.
Any soft cunt could see the obvious last throw of the dice was Aqualani on for Lucas.
The lack of firepower and his gamble on Aqualani have blown up in Rafa's face and are costing us in every game.
regards
[quote author=aquaman4 link=topic=37341.msg994904#msg994904 date=1258818542]
rafa says we showed great character (i have started to hate the word now) and we did extremely well given the early injuries and players missing ???
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Besides the fact we did play pretty well considering those set backs, do you expect him to say we were shite?
What do you expect him to say? Serious question.
rafa says we showed great character (i have started to hate the word now) and we did extremely well given the early injuries and players missing ???
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Besides the fact we did play pretty well considering those set backs, do you expect him to say we were shite?
What do you expect him to say? Serious question.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994900#msg994900 date=1258818017]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
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I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
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A bad run that has it's origin in a beachball and a million injuiries (and a few stoppingtime loses and equalizers as well) has seen the players lose confidence. Otherwise solid players has become rather crap-ish. Today we seemed confident from the off - even though Johnson was suddenly ruled out - but then we got more bad luck and confidence hit a new low.
Thought this was obvious to everyone. Luck is a key-factor whether you like it or not.
Skrtel played very well in big chunks of last Season now he looks like he couldn't even make it at Tranmere. Insua, Lucas and to some extent Ngog are youngsters whom are obviously influenced a lot by the current bad run. Gerrard went down with cramp in the 78th minute - he's miles away from match fitness and looks a shadow of himself.
Bottomline is we are in desperate need for a victory to regain confidence.
Everyone can see we are in a rather extreme situation right now. Today it seemed like our luck had turned, players was returning from injury and others had trained intensely to regain sharpness.
Then what happens? Johnson gets injured prior to kick-off. Then Agger gets injured. then Babel gets injured and we haven't even played 15 minutes.
That's bad luck if anything is. And yet we managed to be the better team and create enough to win. I don't think we played as poorly as you indicate, even though we easily could've lost in the end.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
[/quote]
I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
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A bad run that has it's origin in a beachball and a million injuiries (and a few stoppingtime loses and equalizers as well) has seen the players lose confidence. Otherwise solid players has become rather crap-ish. Today we seemed confident from the off - even though Johnson was suddenly ruled out - but then we got more bad luck and confidence hit a new low.
Thought this was obvious to everyone. Luck is a key-factor whether you like it or not.
Skrtel played very well in big chunks of last Season now he looks like he couldn't even make it at Tranmere. Insua, Lucas and to some extent Ngog are youngsters whom are obviously influenced a lot by the current bad run. Gerrard went down with cramp in the 78th minute - he's miles away from match fitness and looks a shadow of himself.
Bottomline is we are in desperate need for a victory to regain confidence.
Everyone can see we are in a rather extreme situation right now. Today it seemed like our luck had turned, players was returning from injury and others had trained intensely to regain sharpness.
Then what happens? Johnson gets injured prior to kick-off. Then Agger gets injured. then Babel gets injured and we haven't even played 15 minutes.
That's bad luck if anything is. And yet we managed to be the better team and create enough to win. I don't think we played as poorly as you indicate, even though we easily could've lost in the end.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=aquaman4 link=topic=37341.msg994904#msg994904 date=1258818542]
rafa says we showed great character (i have started to hate the word now) and we did extremely well given the early injuries and players missing ???
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And he's spot on.
rafa says we showed great character (i have started to hate the word now) and we did extremely well given the early injuries and players missing ???
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And he's spot on.
Honestly, I've been supporting Liverpool for 30 odd years and have never witnessed an injury jinx like this. Unbelievable! Having said that this game was there for the taking. Aqualani should have made an appearance just after we scored. Lucas was rubbish. Aside from that I thought we played quite well. I have forgotten what its like to win. A depressing state of affairs.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994922#msg994922 date=1258820960]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994900#msg994900 date=1258818017]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
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I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
[/quote]
A bad run that has it's origin in a beachball and a million injuiries (and a few stoppingtime loses and equalizers as well) has seen the players lose confidence. Otherwise solid players has become rather crap-ish. Today we seemed confident from the off - even though Johnson was suddenly ruled out - but then we got more bad luck and confidence hit a new low.
Thought this was obvious to everyone. Luck is a key-factor whether you like it or not.
Skrtel played very well in big chunks of last Season now he looks like he couldn't even make it at Tranmere. Insua, Lucas and to some extent Ngog are youngsters whom are obviously influenced a lot by the current bad run. Gerrard went down with cramp in the 78th minute - he's miles away from match fitness and looks a shadow of himself.
Bottomline is we are in desperate need for a victory to regain confidence.
Everyone can see we are in a rather extreme situation right now. Today it seemed like our luck had turned, players was returning from injury and others had trained intensely to regain sharpness.
Then what happens? Johnson gets injured prior to kick-off. Then Agger gets injured. then Babel gets injured and we haven't even played 15 minutes.
That's bad luck if anything is. And yet we managed to be the better team and create enough to win. I don't think we played as poorly as you indicate, even though we easily could've lost in the end.
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I wonder what planet you're on sometimes, I really do.
I get the impression that a lot of what you're saying is an attempt to convince yourself of your position, as much as the rest of the forum.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994900#msg994900 date=1258818017]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
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I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
[/quote]
A bad run that has it's origin in a beachball and a million injuiries (and a few stoppingtime loses and equalizers as well) has seen the players lose confidence. Otherwise solid players has become rather crap-ish. Today we seemed confident from the off - even though Johnson was suddenly ruled out - but then we got more bad luck and confidence hit a new low.
Thought this was obvious to everyone. Luck is a key-factor whether you like it or not.
Skrtel played very well in big chunks of last Season now he looks like he couldn't even make it at Tranmere. Insua, Lucas and to some extent Ngog are youngsters whom are obviously influenced a lot by the current bad run. Gerrard went down with cramp in the 78th minute - he's miles away from match fitness and looks a shadow of himself.
Bottomline is we are in desperate need for a victory to regain confidence.
Everyone can see we are in a rather extreme situation right now. Today it seemed like our luck had turned, players was returning from injury and others had trained intensely to regain sharpness.
Then what happens? Johnson gets injured prior to kick-off. Then Agger gets injured. then Babel gets injured and we haven't even played 15 minutes.
That's bad luck if anything is. And yet we managed to be the better team and create enough to win. I don't think we played as poorly as you indicate, even though we easily could've lost in the end.
[/quote]
I wonder what planet you're on sometimes, I really do.
I get the impression that a lot of what you're saying is an attempt to convince yourself of your position, as much as the rest of the forum.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=37341.msg994944#msg994944 date=1258823581]
Honestly, I've been supporting Liverpool for 30 odd years and have never witnessed an injury jinx like this. Unbelievable! Having said that this game was there for the taking. Aqualani should have made an appearance just after we scored. Lucas was rubbish. Aside from that I thought we played quite well. I have forgotten what its like to win. A depressing state of affairs.
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To be fair, Rafa couldn't really have made a third substitution just after we scored - there were 40 mins left: what would have happened if we'd had another injury?
Aquilani should have started IMO. Play him till he's exhausted, then bring on Lucas afterwards.
Honestly, I've been supporting Liverpool for 30 odd years and have never witnessed an injury jinx like this. Unbelievable! Having said that this game was there for the taking. Aqualani should have made an appearance just after we scored. Lucas was rubbish. Aside from that I thought we played quite well. I have forgotten what its like to win. A depressing state of affairs.
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To be fair, Rafa couldn't really have made a third substitution just after we scored - there were 40 mins left: what would have happened if we'd had another injury?
Aquilani should have started IMO. Play him till he's exhausted, then bring on Lucas afterwards.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=37341.msg994959#msg994959 date=1258824484]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994922#msg994922 date=1258820960]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994900#msg994900 date=1258818017]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
[/quote]
I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
[/quote]
A bad run that has it's origin in a beachball and a million injuiries (and a few stoppingtime loses and equalizers as well) has seen the players lose confidence. Otherwise solid players has become rather crap-ish. Today we seemed confident from the off - even though Johnson was suddenly ruled out - but then we got more bad luck and confidence hit a new low.
Thought this was obvious to everyone. Luck is a key-factor whether you like it or not.
Skrtel played very well in big chunks of last Season now he looks like he couldn't even make it at Tranmere. Insua, Lucas and to some extent Ngog are youngsters whom are obviously influenced a lot by the current bad run. Gerrard went down with cramp in the 78th minute - he's miles away from match fitness and looks a shadow of himself.
Bottomline is we are in desperate need for a victory to regain confidence.
Everyone can see we are in a rather extreme situation right now. Today it seemed like our luck had turned, players was returning from injury and others had trained intensely to regain sharpness.
Then what happens? Johnson gets injured prior to kick-off. Then Agger gets injured. then Babel gets injured and we haven't even played 15 minutes.
That's bad luck if anything is. And yet we managed to be the better team and create enough to win. I don't think we played as poorly as you indicate, even though we easily could've lost in the end.
[/quote]
I wonder what planet you're on sometimes, I really do.
I get the impression that a lot of what you're saying is an attempt to convince yourself of your position, as much as the rest of the forum.
[/quote]
Pathological optimism.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994922#msg994922 date=1258820960]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994900#msg994900 date=1258818017]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37341.msg994898#msg994898 date=1258817630]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37341.msg994887#msg994887 date=1258816807]
Actually mate, both goals came from VERY Liverpool like defending. THAT'S the problem.
Today wasn't about bad luck. It was about being shite at the back again, and missing chances that I would score...
[/quote]
In terms of play you probably can't say we were unlucky not to win.
We are however in an extreme fragile state of mind so you don't have to be a science professor to know that we'd need a bit of luck after the Int. break to get things started.
Johnson then gets injured shortly before kick-off, but we still manage to start out like thunder. We really looked like we were going to trash them.
Then Agger and Babel went as well within the next 15 minutes and the remainings of this newfound Int-break confidence vanished and we seemed to hit a new low morale-wise.
Watching these incidents isolated would probably just be seen as a bit of bad luck but when knowing how we've struggled all season with injuries to key-players you couldn't have choosed a worse timing really. Unless you were a Citeh-fan of course.
If you disagee then alright with me but this is so obviously a key factor as to why we are struggling at the moment. Every team would really.
[/quote]
I really don't understand where you're going with this. Today, and much of this season has nothing to do with luck. Even with the injury situation (which I'll give you), the players on the field just aren't playing well enough.
It wasn't bad luck today that hurt us. It wasn't bad luck that stopped Skyrtl from marking Adebayor. It wasn't bad luck that caused him to lose the ball sooooo easily to Tevez or made Lucas stop running and simply watch Ireland run on to score. Neither goal took 17 deflections on the way in.
Lucas' miss wasn't unlucky. It was pathetic.
It was bad play that cost us the points today.
Again.
[/quote]
A bad run that has it's origin in a beachball and a million injuiries (and a few stoppingtime loses and equalizers as well) has seen the players lose confidence. Otherwise solid players has become rather crap-ish. Today we seemed confident from the off - even though Johnson was suddenly ruled out - but then we got more bad luck and confidence hit a new low.
Thought this was obvious to everyone. Luck is a key-factor whether you like it or not.
Skrtel played very well in big chunks of last Season now he looks like he couldn't even make it at Tranmere. Insua, Lucas and to some extent Ngog are youngsters whom are obviously influenced a lot by the current bad run. Gerrard went down with cramp in the 78th minute - he's miles away from match fitness and looks a shadow of himself.
Bottomline is we are in desperate need for a victory to regain confidence.
Everyone can see we are in a rather extreme situation right now. Today it seemed like our luck had turned, players was returning from injury and others had trained intensely to regain sharpness.
Then what happens? Johnson gets injured prior to kick-off. Then Agger gets injured. then Babel gets injured and we haven't even played 15 minutes.
That's bad luck if anything is. And yet we managed to be the better team and create enough to win. I don't think we played as poorly as you indicate, even though we easily could've lost in the end.
[/quote]
I wonder what planet you're on sometimes, I really do.
I get the impression that a lot of what you're saying is an attempt to convince yourself of your position, as much as the rest of the forum.
[/quote]
Pathological optimism.
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Squiggles
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Thank fuck I missed this.
I was working on the filming of Dickonson's Real Deal at Aintree.
Anywhere I can stream or download highlights from?
I was working on the filming of Dickonson's Real Deal at Aintree.
Anywhere I can stream or download highlights from?
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