Liverpool v Everton Match Thread

[moron]

Reaction very strange from media. I mean we aint even title contenders. The whole thing smells like a big Sam luv in.

 

[gkmacca]

The whole thing smells like a big Sam luv in.

I'm guessing that smells like a mixture of Brut, lube, halibut and Bovril.

 

[gene hughes]

That also sounds like four prominent Tory ministers.

 

[manwithnoname]

Reaction very strange from media. I mean we aint even title contenders. The whole thing smells like a big Sam luv in.

Oh, so Fat Sam is a protected, inner circle media favourite now?

For fuck's sake, this is getting embarrassing

 

[gkmacca]

That also sounds like four prominent Tory ministers.

I believe it was originally used, for the purposes of revenge, as the roll call for Trumpton, as Fat Sam was having an affair at the time with the wife of Brian Cant*:

Lube, Lube, Bovril 'n' Beer, Cheddar, Hallibut, Brut







* Note to Rosco: Trumpton was a much-repeated kiddies show. Brian Cant was either a misprint or a kiddies TV presenter.

 

[Mystic]

It baffles my mind that anyone can think this was a penalty, we've been fucking robbed.

 

[Mystic]

That is a strategy. And it worked

Hoping your opponent misses multiple gilt edged chances and that the referee gives you a complete non penalty isn't a strategy.

 

[manwithnoname]

Hoping your opponent misses multiple gilt edged chances and that the referee gives you a complete non penalty isn't a strategy.

I think you'll find it is, and one that Fat Sam has deployed before.

What did you expect? Sending out Tom Davies and Ashley Williams to try and outplay Liverpool at Anfield with beautiful, expansive football?

 

[the count]

I don't think many would have thought that the approach to the game by Everton would be anything different to how it panned out but the fact that it was somewhat successful was down to Liverpool's wastefulness in attack and stupidity at the back rather than the genius of fat Sam.

 

[Insignificance]

I think you'll find it is, and one that Fat Sam has deployed before.

What did you expect? Sending out Tom Davies and Ashley Williams to try and outplay Liverpool at Anfield with beautiful, expansive football?

I guess we got somewhat what we expected. But that Everton should be so poor that even Sam was worried about their lack of possesion afterwards was surprising.....

 

[doctor_mac]

It baffles my mind that anyone can think this was a penalty, we've been fucking robbed.

I just can't for the life of me see how anyone sees a penalty there. I see a cheat. I don't even know what Lovren could have done other than run towards the ball with his hands behind his back like a defender trying to avoid a handball when blocking a shot. If you think that's a pen you're beyond all fucking hope.

In fact, shame on you if you think that's a peno.

 

[rurikbird]

I just can't for the life of me see how anyone sees a penalty there. I see a cheat. I don't even know what Lovren could have done other than run towards the ball with his hands behind his back like a defender trying to avoid a handball when blocking a shot. If you think that's a pen you're beyond all fucking hope.

In fact, shame on you if you think that's a peno.

From this angle you don't see the push, so it looks like C-L falls completely on his own. If you look from behind (which was the referee's view, of course) it looks like a 50-50 penalty, a clear push, but maybe not enough to make him fall like that.

 

[doctor_mac]

From this angle you don't see the push, so it looks like C-L falls completely on his own. If you look from behind (which was the referee's view, of course) it looks like a 50-50 penalty, a clear push, but maybe not enough to make him fall like that.

It isn't a push. The bitter runs into him, and as you do, he puts his hands out to cushion someone running into him. This is completely a reflex reaction. Yer man springs off him. I am convinced there is absolutely no push. As I say, the only way he could have avoided his hands contacting the wee prick was if he had ran with his hands behind his back. Is that what defenders need to do?

 

[Mystic]

I think you'll find it is, and one that Fat Sam has deployed before.

What did you expect? Sending out Tom Davies and Ashley Williams to try and outplay Liverpool at Anfield with beautiful, expansive football?

My objection to the statement is that they didn't defend well, we scored, and should have scored more. Their strategy was to stop us having any chances, they failed at that in my opinion, a gift from the referee doesn't change that in my books.

 

[manwithnoname]

My objection to the statement is that they didn't defend well, we scored, and should have scored more. Their strategy was to stop us having any chances, they failed at that in my opinion, a gift from the referee doesn't change that in my books.

Doesn't change the scoreline either, or the amount of points we got

 

[tombrown]

I've, slowly but surely, come to the realisation, that, regardless of what folks say on this forum, twitter, facebook or even the radio, a penalty was given & scored and nothing will change that fact

 

[gkmacca]

Carragher on the 2007 derby:

"Phil Neville saved one on the line with his hand, got sent off and Dirk Kuyt scored the penalty. They then took a long throw and I got hold of [Joleon] Lescott. He's too big and strong for me, and we were in the six-yard box.

He was going to chest it and volley it in and I thought, 'I can't have that'. So as he chests it, I pulled him back with me and we've all gone back.

As a defender when you know you've given a penalty away, you close your eyes and wait for a whistle; if it doesn't come in one or two seconds you think you're OK.

I was lying on the floor waiting for the whistle - one, two - and then bang, I was up and away. He hadn't given it, the final whistle came after and I was away down to the Liverpool fans. Loved it!"



The truth is, if the ref had given what was a blatant pen, Carragher would have thrown away a win. Presumably, in that situation, he wouldn't have welcomed a smart-arse ex-red eagerly laying into him. But when a player who already is getting death threats doesn't do anything remotely as mad and as blatant and as 'stupid' as Jamie Mr Perfect Carragher did, who is the first smart-arse ex-red queuing up to denounce him? "Former Liverpool defender Carragher said Pawson's decision was correct, and branded Lovren's challenge as "stupid". What is Lovren doing? People say it's soft, but that doesn't mean it's not a penalty. As soon as he's felt his hands on his shoulders, he [Calvert-Lewin] has gone down."

Carragher's really become a bit of a creep. There's still an Evertonian inside of that fella.

 

[Woland]

Didn't see the game because of work and now, knowing the result and the main talking points around it, probably won't rewatch it. But generally I'm in @Woland's camp on this discussion – maybe I wouldn't quite phrase it as Fat Sam "winning" the tactical battle by keeping 10 men behind the ball, but Klopp did make a bad mistake with the team selection. I'm a fan of Solanke, but starting a lad who's never scored in the Premier League over Coutinho or Firmino in a game like this (and subbing Salah with the game still very much in the balance) was simply arrogant and this game usually punishes arrogance.

It's a bit like Mane's miss – if you make a decision that goes squarely against conventional wisdom, it better work out or you deserve all the criticism coming your way.

Here's from my whataspp five a side group, from the lad I was sat next to in the Moscow game. Yes I'd had a few drinks but yes I did say this

See... that was the time to rest players and I fucking knew it.

 

[Mystic]

Doesn't change the scoreline either, or the amount of points we got

Did I suggest anywhere that it did?

 

[mark1975]

There's a lot of revisionist, hindsight stuff being posted here - how do we know we would have won with Coutinho and Firmino?

I'd suggest that the fact we dominated possession but struggled to create many clear chances, suggests we missed two of our more creative players. We can't moan about potential injuries when we left a few of these players on for the 90 in a comfortable CL game last week, of if they start against West Brom.

Klopp got it wrong and we left ourselves relying on a bit of magic to score, against a side we should have tonked. It's not even like we can use the old "form goes out the window" cliche, because Everton were true to form and were garbage and there for the taking.

 

[doctor_mac]

There's a lot of revisionist, hindsight stuff being posted here - how do we know we would have won with Coutinho and Firmino?

I'd suggest that the fact we dominated possession but struggled to create many clear chances, suggests we missed two of our more creative players. We can't moan about potential injuries when we left a few of these players on for the 90 in a comfortable CL game last week, of if they start against West Brom.

Klopp got it wrong and we left ourselves relying on a bit of magic to score, against a side we should have tonked. It's not even like we can use the old "form goes out the window" cliche, because Everton were true to form and were garbage and there for the taking.

I agree in general but respectfully disagree with the final couple of sentences. We have no idea that the team that played in the CL would have 'tonked' Everton, indeed, experience tells us that if we are playing a team that shows no ambition and parks the bus, they are difficult for us to break down regardless of personnel. Spartak were thrashed precisely because they kept driving forward. It was the old cliche, we were at our most dangerous when THEY had the ball.

Well, Everton NEVER had the ball. They kicked it away as soon as getting it. It was the most negative footy I've seen in many years at Anfield.

Despite this we forged a number of very good chances. More than enough to win the game.

 

[Mystic]

There's a lot of revisionist, hindsight stuff being posted here - how do we know we would have won with Coutinho and Firmino?

I'd suggest that the fact we dominated possession but struggled to create many clear chances, suggests we missed two of our more creative players. We can't moan about potential injuries when we left a few of these players on for the 90 in a comfortable CL game last week, of if they start against West Brom.

Klopp got it wrong and we left ourselves relying on a bit of magic to score, against a side we should have tonked. It's not even like we can use the old "form goes out the window" cliche, because Everton were true to form and were garbage and there for the taking.

I can't agree with that, we scored, allowed them zero threat all game, and missed two golden opportunities, we lost due to our complacency and a joke of a decision, not because of the team selection or anything Everton did.

 

[Fabio]

My objection to the statement is that they didn't defend well, we scored, and should have scored more. Their strategy was to stop us having any chances, they failed at that in my opinion, a gift from the referee doesn't change that in my books.

It's not like Pickford kept them in it, we were wasteful

Not taking out chances against that type of opponent most definitely is what he hoped for and set out to do. His defence stifled some clear chances and we wasted the others

Allerdyce got the tactics right, but he needed a massive slice of luck too

 

[doctor_mac]

It's not like Pickford kept them in it, we were wasteful

Not taking out chances against that type of opponent most definitely is what he hoped for and set out to do. His defence stifled some clear chances and we wasted the others

Allerdyce got the tactics right, but he needed a massive slice of luck too

He set out for us not to take our clear chances? That was his tactics? Jeez.

I hope Klopp takes this tactical masterclass. It's a doozie.

 

[Mystic]

It's not like Pickford kept them in it, we were wasteful

Not taking out chances against that type of opponent most definitely is what he hoped for and set out to do. His defence stifled some clear chances and we wasted the others

Allerdyce got the tactics right, but he needed a massive slice of luck too

Thats not a tactic, thats blind hope. If we didn't have clear cut chances i'd agree with you, but we should have won that game, we scored, and we should have scored two more, they got lucky.

 

[Insignificance]

There's a lot of revisionist, hindsight stuff being posted here - how do we know we would have won with Coutinho and Firmino?

I'd suggest that the fact we dominated possession but struggled to create many clear chances, suggests we missed two of our more creative players. We can't moan about potential injuries when we left a few of these players on for the 90 in a comfortable CL game last week, of if they start against West Brom.

Klopp got it wrong and we left ourselves relying on a bit of magic to score, against a side we should have tonked. It's not even like we can use the old "form goes out the window" cliche, because Everton were true to form and were garbage and there for the taking.

So from blaming Klopp that we didn't have a good enough squad to rest players last year you now have a go at Klopp for getting a big enough squad to rest players.

Hindsight doesn't describe it. Moaning does..

 

[Atlas]

Salah gave the everton defender a decent shove before going on to score, maybe the ref was looking to make amends for the earlier decision?

 

[Hyena]

You know what's more miserable than the game??

This fucking thread.

 

[gkmacca]

Aldo on Allardyce:

"Essentially, Allardyce has made his millions from the game on the back of being better than three rubbish teams every season and if he manages to finish fourth bottom with whatever team he happens to be with every May, he gets a couple of million quid bonus for his ‘achievement’".

A good summing up, and a refreshing change from the ridiculous brown-nosing from all of the microphone-one's mates in the media.

 

[Woland]

Saying team selection was not what cost us the win is EXACTLY the same as saying Ox and Solanke are as good as and as likely to create and score as often as Coutinho and Frim.

Which, frankly, I disagree with.