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'Liverpool Owners Seek Replacement for Roy Hodgson'

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Roy Hodgson became manager of Liverpool 183 days ago. On the day he got the job he said: 'I always knew Liverpool fans were special. The motto "You'll never walk alone" is really lived by the fans. It's a club where you feel you're not alone.' Today those words came back to haunt him.

Roy Hodgson's days at Liverpool appear to be numbered after it emerged last night the club's American owners are ready to replace him midway through the season, if the right candidate becomes available.

As the manager made an emotional plea to fans to get behind him and apologised for his perceived criticism of them after Wednesday's defeat by Wolverhampton Wanderers, Fenway Sports Group, which bought the club in October, had reportedly decided to start looking for his successor after six months at the helm. The former Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard has been linked with the job, as have Didier Deschamps, Porto's André Villas Boas and Bolton's Owen Coyle.

While one poll suggested that more than nine in 10 Liverpool fans wanted Hodgson sacked, the manager yesterday gave vent to his feelings.

"After the defeat by Wolves I thought I did quite a good job to disguise the hurt, the sadness and, to some extent, the anger that I was feeling. To take stick from the crowd and then to stand up in a press conference and say I understood and sympathised with them ... It is always going to be the case as a manager that when things are going wrong you are going to get that flak, that stick. It is unfortunate for me that fans should think I went into a press conference with a view to attacking them because nothing could be further from the truth.

"Two or three weeks ago we were on a good roll and playing some good football and everything looked so bright and positive. A very good performance at Tottenham, which should have encouraged people, has now become just another defeat. Then we had the last two defeats, against Newcastle and Wolves, which have hurt us very badly and hurt me very badly. It has swung things round enormously and put us in the situation where we find ourselves today. I cannot emphasise enough that it hurts me deeply. It hurts my professional pride. It hurts all the things I believe in to find myself in the situation I am in but I have to accept it. I feel very bad and very down.

"I have the experience but it has been an uphill struggle since I came here. Maybe that was the point I was trying to make [about the famous Anfield support] which has been interpreted as a crack against the fans. I have had a lot of situations to deal with and worked very hard to put together a team that knows what it is doing and can produce winning football. Along the way there have been some very big setbacks which have thrown me into the limelight and the firing line. I accept it as part of taking a job of this stature.

"Last night I saw a quote from Benjamin Disraeli when he became prime minster: 'I have achieved my goal and climbed to the top of the greasy pole.' That is really what we do. That is how I feel. Coming to Liverpool for me was a pinnacle; to some extent it was a reward for the work I had put in, not just at Fulham but in the years before. It was a recognition of my competence. You come here hoping you will keep flying forward but, yes, I did know it would be difficult. If we can between now and the end of the season get the results everybody wants, people will respect us more for the hardship we have gone through. It is a cliché but we coaches do need time, patience and support. Support at this club is of vital importance because that is what has made it great through the years – the feeling that Liverpool is a bit special and that people get together when things are not going well.

"It would be nice to have people around you who could help you a bit more but it doesn't really work that way. It is a lonely job being the manager of a top club. You can't expect people to help you too much. The staff are very good and supportive – and so too are the players – but your family is the most important during these times. They try to encourage you that life isn't all doom and gloom and there might be a bright spot somewhere along the way. That is what you have to cling on to.

"Two defeats in a row – and one of them at home against a team you are expected to beat – that is a time when you are going to be very hurt and upset about everything. Lonely is not the wrong word to use because, to be quite honest, you don't want company anyway. You want to be left alone with your thoughts. They are not pleasant thoughts but you don't have the desire to do anything other than sit around with them."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/31/roy-hodgson-liverpool-woes/print
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There's nothing firm or quoted to say that they are indeed looking to replace him from the article, but at least the pressure is building.
 
As I said in another thread, he's a dead man walking. Let's hope these stories makes an agent call Henry/Werner and that one of the managers we've sounded out is willing to move mid season.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43363.msg1240708#msg1240708 date=1293876184]
As I said in another thread, he's a dead man walking. Let's hope these stories makes an agent call Henry/Werner and that one of the managers we've sounded out is willing to move mid season.
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Either way he's got to go though, if the replacement isn't available I hope they're not willing to let him carry on the meantime, we need Kenny at the very least.
 
Christ, he's making out like it's some sort of Greek tragedy. Lonely and hurt, Roy? Alone with your unpleasant thoughts? Fantastic, that's the way to get the team playing positive football again.

Please please please, someone put him (and us) out of his misery.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43363.msg1240708#msg1240708 date=1293876184]
As I said in another thread, he's a dead man walking. Let's hope these stories makes an agent call Henry/Werner and that one of the managers we've sounded out is willing to move mid season.
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Either way he's got to go though, if the replacement isn't available I hope they're not willing to let him carry on the meantime, we need Kenny at the very least.
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Agree mate
 
I don't know how anyone can read that about the way he is feeling, and not wish him to stick it out and be made to suffer a further six months of it. or for it to get worse and worse by the day. he deserves it. he must not be allowed to think that he can piss over liverpool football club and walk away without paying the price
 
hicks and gillette paid the price when they walked away. and so must hodgson. you don't walk away from us. you drag your beaten and bloodied body away on your hands and knees, with broken legs and limbs missing.
 
Just go and meet him in the car park with a snooker ball in a sock. His suffering shouldn't interfere with the running of the club.
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43363.msg1240786#msg1240786 date=1293886223]
I don't know how anyone can read that about the way he is feeling, and not wish him to stick it out and be made to suffer a further six months of it. or for it to get worse and worse by the day. he deserves it. he must not be allowed to think that he can piss over liverpool football club and walk away without paying the price
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Because first priority is saving our season. What happens to Roy doesn't even get on the list of priorities, let alone anywhere near the top.
 
The only headline I want to see is "Hodgcunt sacked"
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=43363.msg1240786#msg1240786 date=1293886223]
I don't know how anyone can read that about the way he is feeling, and not wish him to stick it out and be made to suffer a further six months of it. or for it to get worse and worse by the day. he deserves it. he must not be allowed to think that he can piss over liverpool football club and walk away without paying the price
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Because first priority is saving our season. What happens to Roy doesn't even get on the list of priorities, let alone anywhere near the top.
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salvation or damage limitation? if you're in a fight and you've been beaten and kicked into the ground, with blood pouring everywhere. everyone laughing at you. would you really think to yourself, oh look my finger nail hasn't been broken if i run away now i can still save it. most human beings will think along the lines of no fuck off, im going to gauge out as many eye sockets as i possibly can
 
A very good performance at Tottenham, which should have encouraged people, has now become just another defeat. Then we had the last two defeats, against Newcastle and Wolves
"Two defeats in a row – and one of them at home against a team you are expected to beat

Firstly. We are EXPECTED to beat all teams bar about 6 you fucking loser.
Secondly LOOK. You keep talking about DEFEATS. See the problem? Its not the teams we face, its not the fans, its not the players, its not even you Roy. But we keep losing fucking games.
 
Last night I saw a quote from Benjamin Disraeli when he became prime minster: 'I have achieved my goal and climbed to the top of the greasy pole.' That is really what we do. That is how I feel.Coming to Liverpool for me was a pinnacle; to some extent it was a reward for the work I had put in, not just at Fulham but in the years before.

So - getting the job was his measure of success ... not being succesful at the job (or at least that is secondary)
 
Our problem as it stand is not the next manager or his availability, its the current one.

I can't for the life of me believe that Roy still has a job. Sack him and put Kenny in charge until the desired manager is available.
 
Liverpool are set to raid the Bundesliga in their search for Roy Hodgson's successor.

Unconfirmed reports from Germany claim that Fenway Sports Group, the club's American owners, have earmarked Borussia Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp and recently out-of-work Ralf Rangnick as potential replacements to bring Hodgson's faltering Anfield reign to an end.

Rangnick appears to be the outstanding candidate, having recently resigned from Hoffenheim after Luis Gustavo was sold to Bayern Munich without his consent whilst his methods and penchant for youth development fit FSG's blueprint for the Reds' long-term future.

So determined to end Hodgson's dismal six-month spell that John Henry and Tom Werner, Liverpool's key stakeholders, are understood to have considered drafting in a caretaker until the end of the season which may allow Kenny Dalglish to tend to unfinished business.

The Kop legend has made no secret of his desire to return to the post he sensationally quit 20 years ago after being overlooked to last summer in favour of Hodgson, whose position as manager is virtually untenable despite Saturday's win over Bolton.

However Dalglish, 59, has yet to be approached by anybody from FSG despite repeated calls from the Kop throughout Liverpool's disastrous campaign as Hodgson prepares his side for a trip to Blackburn on Wednesday - a club where he lasted just 18 months in the hot seat.
 
Would be disappointed if we got Rangnick, don't think he's ever won anything of note
 
I think Rangnick would be an interesting choice but also a gamble. He hasn't won anything yet but he hasn't really been in a position to do so either apart from a brief spell with Schalke who he led to a second place in Bundesliga and cup final. He has done a magnificent job at Hoffenheim though and some people feel he is now on the verge of taking that final step to managerial elite.

I'd love to have a German manager. Obviously Klopp or Löw would be my preference but Rangnick wouldn't disappoint me too much either. BTW he has apparently lived and studied in England and has a degree in English so the language would not be a problem.
 
I would much rather have Rangnick than Low. I am not really sold on RR, but I get why FSG are seriously considering him - he just might be a German Arsene Wenger. Rangnick is clearly a thoughtful coach who can build a club structure, sign good players and get his team to play eye-catching football. I would personally prefer someone who is thoughtful and a good team-builder but also good at motivating the players and infusing team with energy - like Jurgen Klopp. Rangnick, like Asrene, seems too cerebral at times.

Low is just a good national team coach - I cannot fathom why a serious club would consider someone with no meaningful experience at club level. The jobs of national team coach and club coach are completely different, especially if we are talking about managing an English club, where coach is a manager too. A good club coach can be a good national team coach, but I don't think it works in reverse.
 
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=43363.msg1241788#msg1241788 date=1294043708]
I would much rather have Rangnick than Low. I am not really sold on RR, but I get why FSG are seriously considering him - he just might be a German Arsene Wenger. Rangnick is clearly a thoughtful coach who can build a club structure, sign good players and get his team to play eye-catching football. I would personally prefer someone who is thoughtful and a good team-builder but also good at motivating the players and infusing team with energy - like Jurgen Klopp. Rangnick, like Asrene, seems too cerebral at times.
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I have been told Rangnick is actually an excellent speaker and a very good motivator.

Just out of interest why not Löw? I feel he'd be a perfect fit for DOF based club.

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[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=43363.msg1241788#msg1241788 date=1294043708]
Low is just a good national team coach - I cannot fathom why a serious club would consider someone with no meaningful experience at club level. The jobs of national team coach and club coach are completely different, especially if we are talking about managing an English club, where coach is a manager too. A good club coach can be a good national team coach, but I don't think it works in reverse.
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Yeah I see your point but then again now that we are going along the DOF route the manager becomes more like a coach. That's why I think he'd fit in perfectly.
 
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[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=43363.msg1241788#msg1241788 date=1294043708]
I would much rather have Rangnick than Low. I am not really sold on RR, but I get why FSG are seriously considering him - he just might be a German Arsene Wenger. Rangnick is clearly a thoughtful coach who can build a club structure, sign good players and get his team to play eye-catching football. I would personally prefer someone who is thoughtful and a good team-builder but also good at motivating the players and infusing team with energy - like Jurgen Klopp. Rangnick, like Asrene, seems too cerebral at times.
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I have been told Rangnick is actually an excellent speaker and a very good motivator.[/quote]

I judge this by the results. To me, a good motivator is a coach whose teams often win games even when they are not playing well. People like Fergusson, Mourinho or Klopp. Rangnick's teams on the contrary seem to under-achieve - they often play better football than their results will show. For instance this season Hoffenheim is only in 8th place, despite playing really good football for most of the season so far - they were unlucky to drop points many times, but when bad luck happens consistently you have to start wondering if there is a pattern. Maybe they have drops in concentration or lack of self-belief. To me that's the manager's fault.
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[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=43363.msg1241788#msg1241788 date=1294043708]
Low is just a good national team coach - I cannot fathom why a serious club would consider someone with no meaningful experience at club level. The jobs of national team coach and club coach are completely different, especially if we are talking about managing an English club, where coach is a manager too. A good club coach can be a good national team coach, but I don't think it works in reverse.

Yeah I see your point but then again now that we are going along the DOF route the manager becomes more like a coach. That's why I think he'd fit in perfectly.
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Even with a DOF (and I'm not sure Commoli is a full-blown DOF in a European sense), the jobs of a club coach and NT coach are just too different. 10 games per year vs. 50 games per year. NT coach sees his players just for a couple of days before the game and a bit more before a major tournament. Club coach has to be with the players most of the year, has to deal with the board, the club academy, the fans and the press every day. Besides, I cannot think of any examples of a successful club coach who spent first half of his career as an NT coach. Usually it works the other way around - when club managers get old, they switch to NTs.
 
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=43363.msg1241791#msg1241791 date=1294044787]
Even with a DOF (and I'm not sure Commoli is a full-blown DOF in a European sense), the jobs of a club coach and NT coach are just too different. 10 games per year vs. 50 games per year. NT coach sees his players just for a couple of days before the game and a bit more before a major tournament. Club coach has to be with the players most of the year, has to deal with the board, the club academy, the fans and the press every day. Besides, I cannot think of any examples of a successful club coach who spent first half of his career as an NT coach. Usually it works the other way around - when club managers get old, they switch to NTs.
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I don't think Löw would have problems at club level either as he has been a club manager for 10 years before his job with the national team. He's been excellent at dealing with the press and the players love him. He doesn't seem like a guy who would have problems with the board or fans either.
 
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[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=43363.msg1241791#msg1241791 date=1294044787]
Even with a DOF (and I'm not sure Commoli is a full-blown DOF in a European sense), the jobs of a club coach and NT coach are just too different. 10 games per year vs. 50 games per year. NT coach sees his players just for a couple of days before the game and a bit more before a major tournament. Club coach has to be with the players most of the year, has to deal with the board, the club academy, the fans and the press every day. Besides, I cannot think of any examples of a successful club coach who spent first half of his career as an NT coach. Usually it works the other way around - when club managers get old, they switch to NTs.
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I don't think Löw would have problems at club level either as he has been a club manager for 10 years before his job with the national team. He's been excellent at dealing with the press and the players love him. He doesn't seem like a guy who would have problems with the board or fans either.


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Low's club managerial career:

1996–1998 VfB Stuttgart (promoted from assistant coach)
1998–1999 Fenerbahçe (left after 1 season)
1999–2000 Karlsruher SC (fired after getting the team relegated)
2001 Adanaspor (fired due to poor results)
2001–2002 FC Tirol Innsbruck (won Austrian league)
2003–2004 FK Austria Wien (left abruptly to work as assistant for Klinsmann at Bundestim)
 
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Low's club managerial career:

1996–1998 VfB Stuttgart (promoted from assistant coach)
1998–1999 Fenerbahçe (left after 1 season)
1999–2000 Karlsruher SC (fired after getting the team relegated)
2001 Adanaspor (fired due to poor results)
2001–2002 FC Tirol Innsbruck (won Austrian league)
2003–2004 FK Austria Wien (left abruptly to work as assistant for Klinsmann at Bundestim)
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Yeah I know his club record isn't that great but it doesn't really concern me. He has always been known to be a very good tactical manager but not much of a team builder and he's the kind of manager that does better with good teams than the poor ones(relatively speaking of course). I believe given the right players he will deliver but I do understand why you have reservations about him.

Anyway I don't think we have much of a chance luring him from his current job.
 
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43363.msg1241789#msg1241789 date=1294044120]
I have been told Rangnick is actually an excellent speaker and a very good motivator.
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You're right, Akakabooto.

After leaving school, Ralf spent a year at Sussex University in Brighton, England and completed his studies with a diploma in English and Sports Science at Stuttgart University.

Rangnick began his playing career at VfB Stuttgart, but was unable to progress any further than their amateur side, playing in the lower leagues. This was to prove his level, as he played at a string of small lowly clubs, including a stint at English non-league side Southwick while studying. Rangnick is a trained school teacher. I knew that if I wanted to finish my studies and one day be able to read the 800 pages of Charles Dickens's Hard Times, I needed to have lived in England for a longer period of time, Rangnick said.
 
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