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crazy talk?

despite being in the uefa cup, they've managed to retain the services of
gerrard
torres
and added the quality of cole

I'm 'amazed' torres stayed and I was one of the people that was convinced we'd make big sales to pay down debt. so its being a good transfer window...kinda.
 
So far, in the circumstances, I'd agree. We do need a new LB and a back-up striker though, and time is running out.

But yeah, it could have been much worse...
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41398.msg1152725#msg1152725 date=1281600346]
So far, in the circumstances, I'd agree. We do need a new LB and a back-up striker though, and time is running out.

But yeah, it could have been much worse...
[/quote]

Indeed!
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41398.msg1152725#msg1152725 date=1281600346]


But yeah, it could have been much worse...
[/quote]

I think that line about sums it up
 
I sound like a broken record but...

We've still got massive issues at LB, CM, and still won't be particularly effective without Torres, unless Jovanovic really steps up.

How we replace Mascherano was the big question this transfer season, and we have to wait till it's answered to see where we are.

If the answer is Poulsen, with the remainder of the money spent elsewhere, I think we'll have difficulties.

One things for sure, greatness is being redefined. I'd wager we have a net spend of about -10 M (that's profit taking), haven't yet improved our weakest positions, and we are losing one of our best at midfield for the second summer in a row. "Great".
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41398.msg1152739#msg1152739 date=1281602663]
I sound like a broken record but...

We've still got massive issues at LB, CM, and still won't be particularly effective without Torres, unless Jovanovic really steps up.

How we replace Mascherano was the big question this transfer season, and we have to wait till it's answered to see where we are.

If the answer is Poulsen, with the remainder of the money spent elsewhere, I think we'll have difficulties.

One things for sure, greatness is being redefined. I'd wager we have a net spend of about -10 M (that's profit taking), haven't yet improved our weakest positions, and we are losing one of our best at midfield for the second summer in a row. "Great".
[/quote]

I don't think CM is a massive concern, now that it's obvious we've got the axis of Aquilani, Gerrard and Cole to cover the hole position, and Gerrard will more than likely revert to one of the two central positions for the most part. That then leaves Poulsen and Lucas covering the DM spot (not great, but at least we have numbers) and the aforementioned Gerrard and Aquilani to cover the other CM role. We might add another, who knows, but it's now certainly a lesser priority than the LB and ST holes.

I think once the Masher and Insua money comes in we'll see those two roles sorted.
 
It's obviously a big loss to say farewell to Masher but as always there is a silver lining.

Keyword for me beeing Balance.

With Masher in your team and the way he's quite litterally covering every inch of the pitch. This is a good thing and a great asset in every team but at the same time it leaves your attacking-minded midfielders with more defensive responsibility. They simply has got to be a bit more careful when going forward should Masher sprint along.

With a holding defensive midfielder like Poulsen the likes of Gerrard, Aquilani and Cole for that matter will enjoy more freedom going forward as he won't join them as often as was the case with Masher. Poulsen is a more commanding presence defensively due to his overall style of play, his physique and height compared to Masher.

Masher simply doesn't thrive in that limited role which I thought was evident at the WC for Argentina where he had to play in a different style due to the ammount of attacking collegues surrounding him.

Fact of the matter is, we could actually end up beeing a slightly more balanced unit than when Masher was around having Christian Poulsen in the team - even though the Argie-lad is the better player of two overall.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41398.msg1152758#msg1152758 date=1281604701]
It's obviously a big loss to say farewell to Masher but as always there is a silver lining.

Keyword for me beeing Balance.

With Masher in your team and the way he's quite litterally covering every inch of the pitch. This is a good thing and a great asset in every team but at the same time it leaves your attacking-minded midfielders with more defensive responsibility. They simply has got to be a bit more careful when going forward should Masher sprint along.

With a holding defensive midfielder like Poulsen the likes of Gerrard, Aquilani and Cole for that matter will enjoy more freedom going forward as he won't join them as often as was the case with Masher. Poulsen is a more commanding presence defensively due to his overall style of play, his physique and height compared to Masher.

Masher simply doesn't thrive in that limited role which I thought was evident at the WC for Argentina where he had to play in a different style due to the ammount of attacking collegues surrounding him.

Fact of the matter is, we could actually end up beeing a slightly more balanced unit than when Masher was around having Christian Poulsen in the team - even though the Argie-lad is the better player of two overall.
[/quote]

Maschers positional sense and discipline in defense was impeccable, and the idea that he went on these marauding runs in attack, or was all over the pitch like Sissoko is just laughable.

As you say, football is a team game and we could very well become stronger as a team because of this, but it all depends who we buy with the funds.
 
I think it has been a far better summer than most could have imagined. Far from being worse off, as was the general (understandable) train of thought , I believe we have a far better squad already, with new players still to arrive. Pacheco is going to be more involved and we have a manger, who I honestly believe will keep things simple, play his strongest team, where he can and it is sensible, and most importantly raise morale not only with the squad players and youngsters but more importantly with the senior ones.
Aqualani should be like a new top class signing for us, and I think we will see Maxi, a very intelligent and skillful player, coming into his own after a few months of familiarisation with the prem last season.
The important thing is - we have some breathing space, but the bigger long-term issue is the sale of the club, and that needs sorting out properly, it would have been nice to nail it in time to bring in a couple of big names this year, but that's OK, I would rather we take our time and get the right owner.
I know the banks might dictate when it happens, but we really do need to get this sorted out before the end of the season and preferably before January, or next year really will bring us some problems, unless, of course, we actually do demonstrate my optimism for the team, have a little bit of luck with injuries, and get a top four finish.



regards
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41398.msg1152750#msg1152750 date=1281603572]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41398.msg1152739#msg1152739 date=1281602663]
I sound like a broken record but...

We've still got massive issues at LB, CM, and still won't be particularly effective without Torres, unless Jovanovic really steps up.

How we replace Mascherano was the big question this transfer season, and we have to wait till it's answered to see where we are.

If the answer is Poulsen, with the remainder of the money spent elsewhere, I think we'll have difficulties.

One things for sure, greatness is being redefined. I'd wager we have a net spend of about -10 M (that's profit taking), haven't yet improved our weakest positions, and we are losing one of our best at midfield for the second summer in a row. "Great".
[/quote]

I don't think CM is a massive concern, now that it's obvious we've got the axis of Aquilani, Gerrard and Cole to cover the hole position, and Gerrard will more than likely revert to one of the two central positions for the most part. That then leaves Poulsen and Lucas covering the DM spot (not great, but at least we have numbers) and the aforementioned Gerrard and Aquilani to cover the other CM role. We might add another, who knows, but it's now certainly a lesser priority than the LB and ST holes.

I think once the Masher and Insua money comes in we'll see those two roles sorted.
[/quote]

We should have more than the Mascherano money to spend, given our other sales.

The problem with our midfield, is there is no one even making up the numbers when Gerrard's out, I don't want to see Poulsen-Aquilani-Cole, because it would be like Mascherano with Argentina. I don't want to see Lucas-Poulsen-Cole/Aqua because it would be like last year, but with worse players at DM, aand... well, you get the point. But, it's a risk, and we aren't in a position to have things close to ideal.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41398.msg1152771#msg1152771 date=1281605858]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41398.msg1152758#msg1152758 date=1281604701]
It's obviously a big loss to say farewell to Masher but as always there is a silver lining.

Keyword for me beeing Balance.

With Masher in your team and the way he's quite litterally covering every inch of the pitch. This is a good thing and a great asset in every team but at the same time it leaves your attacking-minded midfielders with more defensive responsibility. They simply has got to be a bit more careful when going forward should Masher sprint along.

With a holding defensive midfielder like Poulsen the likes of Gerrard, Aquilani and Cole for that matter will enjoy more freedom going forward as he won't join them as often as was the case with Masher. Poulsen is a more commanding presence defensively due to his overall style of play, his physique and height compared to Masher.

Masher simply doesn't thrive in that limited role which I thought was evident at the WC for Argentina where he had to play in a different style due to the ammount of attacking collegues surrounding him.

Fact of the matter is, we could actually end up beeing a slightly more balanced unit than when Masher was around having Christian Poulsen in the team - even though the Argie-lad is the better player of two overall.
[/quote]

Maschers positional sense and discipline in defense was impeccable, and the idea that he went on these marauding runs in attack, or was all over the pitch like Sissoko is just laughable.

As you say, football is a team game and we could very well become stronger as a team because of this, but it all depends who we buy with the funds.
[/quote]
I'm not saying he's ill-disciplined mate. I'm quite sure Rafa let him roam and chase down opponents as he did.

Lovely player but different to a holding midfielder in the Makelele, Vieira or Hamann mould.

And I'd NEVER use Momo as reference to anything even slightly Masher-related.
 
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152836#msg1152836 date=1281609918]
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
[/quote]

Oh do fuck off Molby you really are a depressing negative soul.
I can see what the problem is though - you are actually dispapointed all the doom and gloom did not transpire, and in fact we are in a better position than we were before.


regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41398.msg1152842#msg1152842 date=1281610142]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152836#msg1152836 date=1281609918]
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
[/quote]

Oh do fuck off Molby you really are a depressing negative soul.
I can see what the problem is though - you are actually dispapointed all the doom and gloom did not transpire, and in fact we are in a better position than we were before.


regards
[/quote]

And therefore you must be a blind delusional fool?

Im actually dissapointed because we are going to sell a really very good player and replace him with a 30 yo journeyman.
Maybe its a question of semantics Jules but that is not my idea of a good summer.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152851#msg1152851 date=1281610656]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41398.msg1152842#msg1152842 date=1281610142]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152836#msg1152836 date=1281609918]
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
[/quote]

Oh do fuck off Molby you really are a depressing negative soul.
I can see what the problem is though - you are actually dispapointed all the doom and gloom did not transpire, and in fact we are in a better position than we were before.


regards
[/quote]

And therefore you must be a blind delusional fool?

Im actually dissapointed because we are going to sell a really very good player and replace him with a 30 yo journeyman.
Maybe its a question of semantics Jules but that is not my idea of a good summer.
[/quote]

Whats delusional about it?
Its not as if we really want to sell the player, we don't, he wants to go, or did you miss that bit, but if he is going we may as well make the best of it and strengthen the areas that we really need to. The last few years the squad has become witheringly thin and needs building up again.
I don't accept Poulsen is a has-been, but we need another striker desparately and if Benitez had seen that last year, instead of taking a gamble we might not have finnished seventh,


regards
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152836#msg1152836 date=1281609918]
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
[/quote]

As I said: it could have been worse.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41398.msg1152853#msg1152853 date=1281610786]
It has been excellent.
Rafa has gone.
[/quote]

*draws sword*
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41398.msg1152891#msg1152891 date=1281612781]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41398.msg1152853#msg1152853 date=1281610786]
It has been excellent.
Rafa has gone.
[/quote]

*draws sword*


[/quote]

'THIS! IS! SPARTA!!'
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152851#msg1152851 date=1281610656]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41398.msg1152842#msg1152842 date=1281610142]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152836#msg1152836 date=1281609918]
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
[/quote]

Oh do fuck off Molby you really are a depressing negative soul.
I can see what the problem is though - you are actually dispapointed all the doom and gloom did not transpire, and in fact we are in a better position than we were before.


regards
[/quote]

And therefore you must be a blind delusional fool?

Im actually dissapointed because we are going to sell a really very good player and replace him with a 30 yo journeyman.
Maybe its a question of semantics Jules but that is not my idea of a good summer.
[/quote]

Ok, here are the choices:

A reasonable defensive midfielder with experience for a modest fee, and the remainder of fees received from Masher and Insua to go on a left back and a striker, two real problem areas for us.

Or

Receive the Mascher fee and spend a chunk of it on a DM, still needing a striker and a left back with short change left to spare.

It's a no brainer. It's not our fault Masher wants to go, and if Hodgson is prioritising the left back and striker roles over the defensive midfielder role, then good on him. We've actually got a manager who is identifying what is needed in the team. Identifying priorities and sorting them out, instead of spunking money on areas that are less of an issue and then fucking moaning about having no money for the rest of the season.

I don't really see what the issue is. And if your issue is that Masher is going, what can we do? It's been on the cards for ages. We've kept Gerrard and Torres and we've added some good quality players for modest fees.

I'm fucked if I can see how this could have gone any better really, given the way everyone had written us off in July.
 
Im actually dissapointed because we are going to sell a really very good player and replace him with a 30 yo journeyman.

The transfer window isn't over yet, potentially we'll be replacing Masher with a left back and a striker (if all goes well). It's not like the Poulsen signing is the end of activity for us, we're just budgeting as best we can and covering problem areas as well as we can in our current circumstances.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41398.msg1152894#msg1152894 date=1281613229]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152851#msg1152851 date=1281610656]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41398.msg1152842#msg1152842 date=1281610142]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41398.msg1152836#msg1152836 date=1281609918]
This summer good??

Its like being in a traffic accident and counting your blessings that you only lost two fingers and most of the movement in your arm but you are relieved that they didnt amputate your leg, although you are not out the woods yet.
[/quote]

Oh do fuck off Molby you really are a depressing negative soul.
I can see what the problem is though - you are actually dispapointed all the doom and gloom did not transpire, and in fact we are in a better position than we were before.


regards
[/quote]

And therefore you must be a blind delusional fool?

Im actually dissapointed because we are going to sell a really very good player and replace him with a 30 yo journeyman.
Maybe its a question of semantics Jules but that is not my idea of a good summer.
[/quote]

Ok, here are the choices:

A reasonable defensive midfielder with experience for a modest fee, and the remainder of fees received from Masher and Insua to go on a left back and a striker, two real problem areas for us.

Or

Receive the Mascher fee and spend a chunk of it on a DM, still needing a striker and a left back with short change left to spare.

It's a no brainer. It's not our fault Masher wants to go, and if Hodgson is prioritising the left back and striker roles over the defensive midfielder role, then good on him. We've actually got a manager who is identifying what is needed in the team. Identifying priorities and sorting them out, instead of spunking money on areas that are less of an issue and then fucking moaning about having no money for the rest of the season.

I don't really see what the issue is. And if your issue is that Masher is going, what can we do? It's been on the cards for ages. We've kept Gerrard and Torres and we've added some good quality players for modest fees.

I'm fucked if I can see how this could have gone any better really, given the way everyone had written us off in July.
[/quote]

Nice post Mark. I echo these sentiments. It could have been a lot worse and that isn't settling for second best.

We need to prioritise and if the Masher money is used elsewhere i'm okay with that. Besides, it would be impossible to find a like for like candidate to replace Masher and actually improve on him. I do agree with some posters who would have preferred to sign a player with a different set of skills (i.e. Defour), but was that ever realistic?
 
Yeah I agree, and I think realistically we won't get more than £25m for Masher and we won't see all of what's received anyway. So I'd reckon we'd have in the region of £20m to spend. If we bought someone like Defour that would be a huge chunk of that, still leaving us needing a LB and a ST, which with that kind of money is impossible, unless you want to buy more dross.

The point is, we need a striker, a left back and a defensive midfielder. One of them has to be cut price so we can buy real quality for two of the roles. Which would you choose? People moaned when we were linked with Luke Young, that's what we would have got for a similar price to Poulsen in the left back position, so it's as broad as it's long.
 
If we have pacheco and babel as backup to jovanovic and maxi, why cant kuyt be our back up striker? That leaves us with torres, then kuyt, then n'gog, the dalla valle/amoo/eccleston.

Would be nice to get back up still, but is be content with our striker options
 
For what it's worth, and I've never seen this Defour-lad play mind, he's never played outside the Belgium league has he?

And is very young. No-one can say for a certain how that would've panned out.

Poulsen is - at this stage - a far safer bet really and much cheaper and not any older than Gerrard.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41398.msg1152905#msg1152905 date=1281613941]
Yeah I agree, and I think realistically we won't get more than £25m for Masher and we won't see all of what's received anyway. So I'd reckon we'd have in the region of £20m to spend. If we bought someone like Defour that would be a huge chunk of that, still leaving us needing a LB and a ST, which with that kind of money is impossible, unless you want to buy more dross.

The point is, we need a striker, a left back and a defensive midfielder. One of them has to be cut price so we can buy real quality for two of the roles. Which would you choose? People moaned when we were linked with Luke Young, that's what we would have got for a similar price to Poulsen in the left back position, so it's as broad as it's long.
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I'd be happy for Kelly and Aurelio to cover LB and bring in say Figeoura as the first choice LB. Freeing up money for a striker, a decent striker at that.
 
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