LFC v QPR (Away) 18th October 2014 Match Thread
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Context plays a part at the moment, because this is the time of year when you want to see us building up momentum, or at least showing signs that the new recruits are bedding in and a unit is forming. The problem is that we don't seem to be slowly improving in any aspect. I was relieved more than pleased we won because it keeps us close to the top four and keeps the opportunity for getting up into that group very accessible. But what I want is to look forward to games and to feel that we can build on something; the QPR result didn't give me that so I don't really feel anything more than relief after the result. And anxiety that we haven't started coming together as a team yet.
Lest I be mis-quoted on this I'll make it clear again - I don't see there being a "right" and "wrong" way to view matches involving Liverpool and those not involving Liverpool. I'm simply curious as to the approach people take.
I will say that, to me, the idea that the wider context of a season somehow negates or minimises the importance of a single result does not make sense to me. Sure, you can say that if the team is not showing signs of distinct improvement then it does not look good for the rest of the season. That's true but there are plenty of times we've looked at our performances - particularly under Rafa's first two seasons - where we saw genuine improvement in our performances and took solace from this despite the loss. Ultimately those performances, while a good sign in the wider scheme of the season, delivered nothing but a second place. Perhaps I'm mis-interpreting Peter's post but that's how it came across to me.
I personally want a great, dominating team winning games but, if I need to choose only one then I'll take the victory every time. That's not to say I enjoyed the match - I didn't. I found it immensely frustrating and when it went to 1-1 I genuinely thought we were going to lose. What's more I thought that was what the team deserved - which only served to fuel my anger at their performance. When victory came it was great - certainly not satisfying but it was something that pleased me. It did nothing to hide the inept performance in my mind but the primary objective had at least been met.
I will say that, to me, the idea that the wider context of a season somehow negates or minimises the importance of a single result does not make sense to me. Sure, you can say that if the team is not showing signs of distinct improvement then it does not look good for the rest of the season. That's true but there are plenty of times we've looked at our performances - particularly under Rafa's first two seasons - where we saw genuine improvement in our performances and took solace from this despite the loss. Ultimately those performances, while a good sign in the wider scheme of the season, delivered nothing but a second place. Perhaps I'm mis-interpreting Peter's post but that's how it came across to me.
I personally want a great, dominating team winning games but, if I need to choose only one then I'll take the victory every time. That's not to say I enjoyed the match - I didn't. I found it immensely frustrating and when it went to 1-1 I genuinely thought we were going to lose. What's more I thought that was what the team deserved - which only served to fuel my anger at their performance. When victory came it was great - certainly not satisfying but it was something that pleased me. It did nothing to hide the inept performance in my mind but the primary objective had at least been met.
The win is important, obviously. People are happy we got 3 points. I'm pissed off how we got it though.
QPR scored 4 goals and lost 3-2
If we end up succeeding this season in the league (top 4), no one will care how we got the points. But right now, I'm fucking livid that we can perform like we couldn't even give the most solitary of fucks
QPR scored 4 goals and lost 3-2
If we end up succeeding this season in the league (top 4), no one will care how we got the points. But right now, I'm fucking livid that we can perform like we couldn't even give the most solitary of fucks
I think the simplest way I can explain it is just to say that it's not any kind of principle deliberate stance. I want us to win, to be the best team. Winning a match is therefore only much good if it directly helps achieve that or shows signs that the team will go on to be that dominant force. So on beating QPR I felt relieved because I think the team has potential and in order to realise it this season it must stay fairly close to the top of the league - so that's just an emergency condition that had to be fulfilled whatever else happened, but also very concerned, because it represented *yet more* evidence that the team has serious problems that are likely to stop it from achieving the goals that short term victories only make theoretically possible.
I don't see that as fans we have any kind of duty to celebrate victories that are otherwise meaningless. What about a dead rubber at the end of a season? Are those followed and celebrated in the same way as a crucial match? Of course not, because of context.
I mean, to me it's just common sense.
I don't see that as fans we have any kind of duty to celebrate victories that are otherwise meaningless. What about a dead rubber at the end of a season? Are those followed and celebrated in the same way as a crucial match? Of course not, because of context.
I mean, to me it's just common sense.
"QPR scored 4 goals" is a bit of a bullshit line.. They scored 2 goals.. They conceded 3 goals.
QPR players scored 4 goals
Who for is irrelevant.
It was borderline a charitable donation that we won that game
The rules of the game say different, Fabs, and - lucky though we were - at least we had the backbone to keep going at them and force those mistakes.
Course is relevant though JJ. I doubt we could have scored again on our own if we had another hour.
QPR were unlucky
We were OJ lucky. Even lovren admitted we probably would have conceded again if the game went on for another few minutes.
I'm not going to be happy to scrape past QPR, a team that shite.
Our defenders made zamora look like a world beater.
And I certainly wouldn't use the term backbone for that display.
QPR were unlucky
We were OJ lucky. Even lovren admitted we probably would have conceded again if the game went on for another few minutes.
I'm not going to be happy to scrape past QPR, a team that shite.
Our defenders made zamora look like a world beater.
And I certainly wouldn't use the term backbone for that display.
I think you are trying too hard to be objective here - its not like they were just passing the ball around the back unchallenged and popped the ball in the net - if they hadn't have made any interventions in either chance they were 2 goals. Fact.
Yes - we were incredible poor, in very similar levels to our defending last season. We had a few attacks with real purpose at the end and they resulted in goals which were deserved for those moves.
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