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LFC SOLD to NESV.

This has been a momentous thread, but it's dying away now, which is a shame. I think we should give it a proper climax. Set a deadline (midnight tonight?) and give everyone ONE post to summarise how they feel about what's happened, their hopes (or fears) for the future, etc. Give Oncy the very last post, so he can have a massive ejaculation, then lock the fucker and send it to the Vault.

What do we think?
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41783.msg1197956#msg1197956 date=1287186251]
ALso, how fucking depressing is it seeing how well run that club is?!
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This is why i think when the Finanical Fair Play Guidelines come into force they will have a massive advantage.

On both the playing side and behind the scenes element of the game they are simply miles ahead. They clearly have a bit of an advantage over us in being able to knock up a few blocks of expensive apartments in Highbury and coin it in, but overall it's an impressive outfit.

I know people will say, oh but they haven't won anything for 5 years or whatever. And it's true, but they haven't been spending shitloads of money just to stay in the top four. We have.
 
As I say to my Gooner work colleague, I would love if LFC was run like Arsenal, but was successful as well 😛
 
If Wenger had changed is policey re spending, and bought a couple of experienced quality players. Then they would have had some silverware in the last 5 years. The money is there.
 
Why are we going lock it?

We will need it again when NESV fail to deliver on their promises.



*Throws a pigeon to the cats*
 
I thought the problem with the Hicks/Gillette stadium was that it wasn't ambitious enough.

To me it wasn't worth knocking down a perfectly good stadium, just to increase the seating capacity by 10,000 or so. Old Trafford's seating capacity is currently 76,000. Future expansion is likely to involve the addition of a second tier to the South Stand, which would raise the Mancs capacity to over 90,000.

If you are going to dump your heritage and stride forward into a brave new world, you might as well make a good job of it. If we are cutting our ties to the past, there is no reason why a new big stadium shouldn't be a shared stadium either.
 
It's fucking great to wake up and know that we're(hopefully!) debt free after so much torture. I actaully believe, if we hold onto the right people, we can go back to the top.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=41783.msg1197982#msg1197982 date=1287192587]
I thought I'd revel seeing Hicks in the state he's in in that video a few pages back. He's on the verge of tears. The truth is I had to switch it off, it made me uncomfortable. I almost pitied him. Almost. I don't really know why.
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Tom Hicks has bankrupted a number of companies and refused to pay redundancy compensation to many workers. He then took refuge in the US court and knocked all of their claims. Think about these acts and your pity will go away.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41783.msg1198025#msg1198025 date=1287217146]
What is interesting to me is that anfield, while considered sacred ground, is not the same as Fenway in any way. There isn't the same sort of consensus that building a new stadium would be sacrilege. Anfield has gone through massive changes, much like Fenway, but not in such a way that it has kept any significant architectural essential character. From the outside it has no remarkable architectural features of any kind, and it's not in an area that anyone goes to for any reason other than a game. Its most defining features, the kop, has changed massively over the years, and there isn't anything different about it that couldn't be approximated elsewhere. Stuff like the shankly gates would be preserved in any sensible new build.

There isn't much there to preserve, other than some attachment to the location, and the ground. I'm not discounting that, but I don't think it's worth it.
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Great post and makes the point I have always stuck by, it's great to have history and it's great to be sentimental , but we have a greater responsibility to the future, yes of course we have to have an eye in the past when we progress that is only right, but future generations will not thank us for not moving forward because of our own sentimentality.
As Farky says Anfield is not an architectural master piece, far from it. It is what it is like so many of our traditional grounds, one that has evolved from people standing around a pitch into a hodgepodge of stands and facilities.
One of the beauties of the new design is that it paid homage to that, in that it was not a symmetrical bowl.
The fact that we are building so close and using the existing site sympathetically also fits in with our own feelings and links the past with the future.
As others have said there is no mad urgency as Anfield is far better than the vast majority of grounds in the country. Lets spend some money on the team and concentrate on that first.


regards
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41783.msg1198114#msg1198114 date=1287225244]
I thought the problem with the Hicks/Gillette stadium was that it wasn't ambitious enough.

To me it wasn't worth knocking down a perfectly good stadium, just to increase the seating capacity by 10,000 or so. Old Trafford's seating capacity is currently 76,000. Future expansion is likely to involve the addition of a second tier to the South Stand, which would raise the Mancs capacity to over 90,000.

If you are going to dump your heritage and stride forward into a brave new world, you might as well make a good job of it. If we are cutting our ties to the past, there is no reason why a new big stadium shouldn't be a shared stadium either.
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From memory the design was for just over 60,000, but crucially as opposed to the Parry Moore's Bowl . it was expandable to 76,000.
I agree with you if we are going to go for it then do it properly, but the infrastructure of the area (as we know only too well bro 😉 ) is not really capable of coping with 40,000 people.
If we are to think big in should be on the Silcocks compound nest to the Speke retail park, it has the transport infrastructure to cope. It's right by the airport, its close to great road links to the Knowsley express-way for the M62 , the M57 the Runcorn Bridge , it's an industrial site so we don't have to worry about neighbours etc.
The only problem with that is it would consign the Anfield area to a wasteland.
It still does not mean there is justification to share 😉

regards
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41783.msg1198114#msg1198114 date=1287225244]
I thought the problem with the Hicks/Gillette stadium was that it wasn't ambitious enough.

To me it wasn't worth knocking down a perfectly good stadium, just to increase the seating capacity by 10,000 or so. Old Trafford's seating capacity is currently 76,000. Future expansion is likely to involve the addition of a second tier to the South Stand, which would raise the Mancs capacity to over 90,000.

If you are going to dump your heritage and stride forward into a brave new world, you might as well make a good job of it. If we are cutting our ties to the past, there is no reason why a new big stadium shouldn't be a shared stadium either.
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I don't think it's a question of dumping our heritage at all. That's the essence of the mess Souness made. Of course we have to go forward, and personally I'd prefer that to include a new stadium, but we have to do so building on our heritage and keeping those elements of it which will continue to be useful, not chucking all our babies out with the bathwater.

I'm afraid I completely disagree with your view on a groundshare. We don't need it and we definitely don't need to provide the leg up it will give the blueslime.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41783.msg1198131#msg1198131 date=1287227287]
If we are to think big in should be on the Silcocks compound nest to the Speke retail park, it has the transport infrastructure to cope. It's right by the airport, its close to great road links to the Knowsley express-way for the M62 , the M57 the Runcorn Bridge , it's an industrial site so we don't have to worry about neighbours etc.
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Don't forget the main railway line right by the site too! And we would avoid all the blackmail that the City Council imposed on us in return for planning permission, by spending money on things that were nothing to do with the football club, like renovating Anfield Cemetary etc. etc!
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1198133#msg1198133 date=1287227452]
I'm afraid I completely disagree with your view on a groundshare. We don't need it and we definitely don't need to provide the leg up it will give the blueslime.
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I am well aware that this opinion is going to be controversial, Jules, so I am not surprised if others disagree with me.

It seems to me that a shared stadium would halve LFC's infrastructure costs and make more money available for player transfers. This has been a factor that has held Arsenal back since their move to the Emirates, although Wenger would probably disagree. The fact that it would also bale out the Blueshite is beside the point. I think it's called dog-in-the-manger! ;D
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=41783.msg1197982#msg1197982 date=1287192587]
I thought I'd revel seeing Hicks in the state he's in in that video a few pages back. He's on the verge of tears. The truth is I had to switch it off, it made me uncomfortable. I almost pitied him. Almost. I don't really know why.
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fucking hell I bet you agree to give money to every charity person that stops you in the street right?

That was the best display of Crocodile Tears I've ever seen from Hicks. Could you not see right through him and his lies at all?

He lost in two courts, he's lost his club...all he can do now is fight a PR campaign, the SSN interview was just the start
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41783.msg1198134#msg1198134 date=1287227604]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41783.msg1198131#msg1198131 date=1287227287]
If we are to think big in should be on the Silcocks compound nest to the Speke retail park, it has the transport infrastructure to cope. It's right by the airport, its close to great road links to the Knowsley express-way for the M62 , the M57 the Runcorn Bridge , it's an industrial site so we don't have to worry about neighbours etc.
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Don't forget the main railway line right by the site too! And we would avoid all the blackmail that the City Council imposed on us in return for planning permission, by spending money on things that were nothing to do with the football club, like renovating Anfield Cemetary etc. etc!
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Indeed so, I did forget. In fact the site has a spur into it off the mainline, we could have our own station 😉
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41783.msg1198134#msg1198134 date=1287227604]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41783.msg1198131#msg1198131 date=1287227287]
If we are to think big in should be on the Silcocks compound nest to the Speke retail park, it has the transport infrastructure to cope. It's right by the airport, its close to great road links to the Knowsley express-way for the M62 , the M57 the Runcorn Bridge , it's an industrial site so we don't have to worry about neighbours etc.
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Don't forget the main railway line right by the site too! And we would avoid all the blackmail that the City Council imposed on us in return for planning permission, by spending money on things that were nothing to do with the football club, like renovating Anfield Cemetary etc. etc!
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Wouldnt count on the cash.

Any agreement with council would definitely include regenerating Anfield for years to come.
 
Vladders I very rarely disagree with anything you say but, Moving the ground out of the Anfield area would be the final nail in the coffin for this area. It must stay here Move it over to Stanley park improve the access to the ground, park and ride schemes opening the train line down the road would greatly help with match day congestion.
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1198149#msg1198149 date=1287230095]
Oh I've also found a really cheap desktop for you, doesn't have an op system on it though.
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Lets try keep this thread on topic mate ....
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1198148#msg1198148 date=1287230053]
Vladders I very rarely disagree with anything you say but, Moving the ground out of the Anfield area would be the final nail in the coffin for this area. It must stay here Move it over to Stanley park improve the access to the ground, park and ride schemes opening the train line down the road would greatly help with match day congestion.
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I did say that was the issue old chap
The only problem with that is it would consign the Anfield area to a wasteland.
😉
regards
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41783.msg1198135#msg1198135 date=1287227963]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1198133#msg1198133 date=1287227452]
I'm afraid I completely disagree with your view on a groundshare. We don't need it and we definitely don't need to provide the leg up it will give the blueslime.
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I am well aware that this opinion is going to be controversial, Jules, so I am not surprised if others disagree with me.

It seems to me that a shared stadium would halve LFC's infrastructure costs and make more money available for player transfers. This has been a factor that has held Arsenal back since their move to the Emirates, although Wenger would probably disagree. The fact that it would also bale out the Blueshite is beside the point. I think it's called dog-in-the-manger! ;D
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I don't accept that, not in this case. For starters I think you're massively over-optimistic as far as the costs are concerned - Everton can't afford to go halves with us and I see precious little likelihood of that changing. However, we wouldn't be able to afford NOT to keep up to date on maintenance etc.for the new stadium, so we'd effectively be putting our money in the coffers of our local rivals when we need it ourselves. Sorry, but I think that would be lunacy.
 
I would only accept a shared stadium if Everton were locked into a cast-iron agreement to pay their half of the capital costs, interest and maintenance costs of the stadium. How they achieved that wpuld be their business. There's no way we could tolerate Everton sponging off us.
 
A ground share with the Bitters would be tantamount to treason.

It would strengthen no end with the improved gate takings. Our good will towards them should not extend beyond maybe sharing a cold beer at the derby.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41783.msg1198150#msg1198150 date=1287230325]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1198149#msg1198149 date=1287230095]
Oh I've also found a really cheap desktop for you, doesn't have an op system on it though.
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Lets try keep this thread on topic mate ....
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Hahaha

Ignore him Shrekky PM me the details ...ta

regards
 
Back to Hicks.

I have until recently had some sympathy with H&G, and not all the ills that have befallen us are due to their ownership as he points out, and the world financial crisis came bang at the wrong time.
Still I think it is a bit much for him to sit there and tell us all that the problems with the finances have been grossly exaggerated, if all was so rosy why did he sign away his rights in April.
As we have seen this week he has the sharpest law people available to him and unless he was in the shit with the funds and RBS there is no way he would have agreed to those terms.
I would not lose too much sympathy with Hicks , as I said in a previous post he has made his fortune in leveraged buy-outs and gambling with investments , some you win and some you lose, in this case he lost.
He was right about one thing his communication with the fans was poor, if he wanted to present his case he should have done so when things were happening.

regards
 
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