Leicester post-match
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3 pts was vital today.
We ain't winning the league but we will be in with a shout of top 4.
Our weaknesses mean we will win some of these games and also throw points away like we did at Watford.
Gonna be an entertaining and frustrating season
We ain't winning the league but we will be in with a shout of top 4.
Our weaknesses mean we will win some of these games and also throw points away like we did at Watford.
Gonna be an entertaining and frustrating season
It's become quite exhausting watching us play and not in a good way.
The main thing is that we got the 3 points, which were very much needed after this recent run of results. Hopefully the win along with the return of Mane will give us some confidence going into the the next few games.
It's clear we've got some fairly fundamental issues that aren't going to be resolved overnight but one thing that would go a long way towards helping is putting teams to the sword in those early periods of dominance. We create so many chances - good ones at that - that quite often the opposition should be dead and buried before they get the chance to come back at us.
I suppose it's a sign of where we are that scoring 3 or 4 in the opening 30mins seems more realistic than managing a game to a half decent level.
The main thing is that we got the 3 points, which were very much needed after this recent run of results. Hopefully the win along with the return of Mane will give us some confidence going into the the next few games.
It's clear we've got some fairly fundamental issues that aren't going to be resolved overnight but one thing that would go a long way towards helping is putting teams to the sword in those early periods of dominance. We create so many chances - good ones at that - that quite often the opposition should be dead and buried before they get the chance to come back at us.
I suppose it's a sign of where we are that scoring 3 or 4 in the opening 30mins seems more realistic than managing a game to a half decent level.
From the Gaffer's interview post match..
“We really think we are on a good way but we are absolutely aware we have to show with results that everyone can see. We know that. After these two, three results that were not too good games, you could see. 2-0 up, the game looked a little bit different, we wanted to manage it a little bit too early and in the wrong spaces.
“Nothing happened, it was just a little bit more of an open game.
“Everyone knows it was not a foul on Jamie (Vardy), it was smart, it was then a foul on Simon. We conceded the goal, not too cool, that's the truth.
“I said to the boys before the game: 'We are not the Harlem Globetrotters. We don't go out to try and just play beautiful football. We are here for results.'
“We play for results. I loved how we fought for it.
“We really think we are on a good way but we are absolutely aware we have to show with results that everyone can see. We know that. After these two, three results that were not too good games, you could see. 2-0 up, the game looked a little bit different, we wanted to manage it a little bit too early and in the wrong spaces.
“Nothing happened, it was just a little bit more of an open game.
“Everyone knows it was not a foul on Jamie (Vardy), it was smart, it was then a foul on Simon. We conceded the goal, not too cool, that's the truth.
“I said to the boys before the game: 'We are not the Harlem Globetrotters. We don't go out to try and just play beautiful football. We are here for results.'
“We play for results. I loved how we fought for it.
Ming did brilliantly to save the penalty and made a few other good saves. But, he's just not good enough. Not aggressive or strong enough on the first. Even though it was a foul, most top keepers will be more clever in that situatuon as it happens all the time.
Poor for the second goal and some in general poor involvements.
We should spend the next 10 months scouting for a new top keeper.
I doubt Ward will be good enough and Karius doesnt seem like he'll step up either.
Sergio Rico, Oblak etc. In that mould.
Poor for the second goal and some in general poor involvements.
We should spend the next 10 months scouting for a new top keeper.
I doubt Ward will be good enough and Karius doesnt seem like he'll step up either.
Sergio Rico, Oblak etc. In that mould.
I think we all know we have challenges in defence and so now we start from a position of it was obviously an individual at fault and analyse from there, rather than sitting back and assessing what the 'bigger' picture was.
I'd suggest that in the last 30 minutes Leicester switched into a 4-2-4 and were bypassing midfield to get to their attackers who were playing tight up against our defence. I think that pressure had an effect on the younger guys and we were not good at picking up on their runners. Hence, Ming taking on the responsibility of sweeper and conceding the penalty. Obviously it was also exactly this tactic that gifted us the third goal. Better pressure on the ball further up the field would have limited their ability to keep hitting their forwards with longer passes.
Regarding Ming specifically, I think he did okay yesterday, particularly with shots/penalties from Vardy who was a menace all day. I think the things people are throwing in about his display yesterday are the things that separate a De Gea and a Courtois from a decent EPL keeper. Ming is playing pretty well in general but he's just not in that top bracket, but then neither are we.
I'd suggest that in the last 30 minutes Leicester switched into a 4-2-4 and were bypassing midfield to get to their attackers who were playing tight up against our defence. I think that pressure had an effect on the younger guys and we were not good at picking up on their runners. Hence, Ming taking on the responsibility of sweeper and conceding the penalty. Obviously it was also exactly this tactic that gifted us the third goal. Better pressure on the ball further up the field would have limited their ability to keep hitting their forwards with longer passes.
Regarding Ming specifically, I think he did okay yesterday, particularly with shots/penalties from Vardy who was a menace all day. I think the things people are throwing in about his display yesterday are the things that separate a De Gea and a Courtois from a decent EPL keeper. Ming is playing pretty well in general but he's just not in that top bracket, but then neither are we.
We'll some of us (ok, mostly me) have been singing his praises for a long time. He can attack & stretch the opposition, yet rarely leaves his cb without cover cos he gets back when necessary.
His final ball is rarely good enough, but that's the thing everyone remembers him for instead of everything else he does.
I like the upbeat nature of your post, and I agree that there's plenty to be happy with, but if the defence isn't rocket science, why dont we have a good one? It's not like JK started yesterday.
The grass is always greener with Clyne. Need him back asap. TAA is gonna be a great player, but it's a bit soon for him this season.
The thing is, he should have done better for each of the 3 situations he had faced; coming out for the first, saving the ball the way he did for the second, and conceding the penalty. There were differing views and some pointed he was at fault for all 3 situations. Ian Wright condemned him as atrocious on tv. There was also a Karius moment that wasn't discussed as much that could have cost us.
The only undisputed good thing he did all night was the penalty save and maybe the save against Vardy in the early stages of the game.
Some ratings, you say? Why, it would be my pleasure!
Cliches first: what a thrilling roller-coaster of a game! It was a match that once again showed off all of the thrilling aspects of the team that Klopp built, along with all of the very many glaring, hideous defects that almost every Liverpool fan around simply cannot understand why he hasn't addressed. It's incredibly strange. But surely now even the most halfwitted fan can see we need at least two new defenders and a new keeper. Maybe even Kevin Klopp knows it after this.
Leicester were decent value too, showing plenty of quality and effort, with the effervescent Vardy a constant threat, and Okazaki again causing problems. But they could not cope with Coutinho and Salah, despite the best efforts of the spastics in defence.
Mignolet (5) Plenty of admirable saves, including the penalty, but typically nervous, jittery and slow when distributing, and lacks conviction and presence in his own penalty area. We all know this, we all know he isn't good enough and never will be. Extra point for saving the penalty that he gave away.
Gomez (4) His speed across the pitch is always welcome, and he was decent enough in the first half, but he's prone to almost total mental collapse at times, with his second half display a car-crash. Has a lot of improvement to do, especially with his positioning and concentration levels. I can't wait for Clyne to return, as he's our best defender by a mile.
Matip (4) He gets an easy ride because of the comparative shitness of the players around him. If he was playing in a team that wasn't one of the worst defences in the league, he'd be correctly identified as the weak link, with weak challenges, poor clearances and sloppy passing. A mediocre player.
Lovren (4) Matip should be grateful that this spastic is his CB partner, because Lovren can sometimes make Stephen Hawking look like a commanding defensive presence. However, overall he wasn't much worse than Matip. He started appallingly, certainly, but weirdly improved in the second half, and was almost mediocre.
Moreno (6) The pick of the defence, even if he was partly culpable for the second goal. He was obviously far more impressive in attack, causing problems with his runs into space and aggressive, attacking football. Our attack must love him in the team, but until we get a better defence to cover for him, he still leaves too many gaps.
Henderson (7) Extra point for the finely taken goal, this was far more impressive from Henderson. I've never been a huge fan, but if he could just give us a 7/10 every week, then it would be fine. There was again some sloppy moments with the ball, and he simply doesn't have the brain to to be the calming, controlled serene presence that is occasionally required. However, he was far and away our best midfielder and did plenty of good stuff.
Can (6) Hit the post with a good shot, and showed some nice skills in possession, but again he struggles to execute the simple things well, and can lurch from sublime to ridiculous within a 30 second period.
Wijanldum (4) His usual away performance: runs about doing....almost nothing at all. The biggest away-game shithouse I've ever seen.
Coutinho (8) Set up the first goal, controlled the ebb and flow of our attacks on his own, an then smacked in a wondrous free kick. So influential before he tired.
Salah (8) I don't really mind if he does miss a few chances he should score, because he scores anyway. What a fucking signing this lad has been. We all know how vital pace and goals are, and he's top scorer, despite the profligacy. A constant menace, and gets into dangerous positions time and time again. Imagine Salah, Mane and a peoper striker in this team? Wow.
Firmino (4) Shit.
Cliches first: what a thrilling roller-coaster of a game! It was a match that once again showed off all of the thrilling aspects of the team that Klopp built, along with all of the very many glaring, hideous defects that almost every Liverpool fan around simply cannot understand why he hasn't addressed. It's incredibly strange. But surely now even the most halfwitted fan can see we need at least two new defenders and a new keeper. Maybe even Kevin Klopp knows it after this.
Leicester were decent value too, showing plenty of quality and effort, with the effervescent Vardy a constant threat, and Okazaki again causing problems. But they could not cope with Coutinho and Salah, despite the best efforts of the spastics in defence.
Mignolet (5) Plenty of admirable saves, including the penalty, but typically nervous, jittery and slow when distributing, and lacks conviction and presence in his own penalty area. We all know this, we all know he isn't good enough and never will be. Extra point for saving the penalty that he gave away.
Gomez (4) His speed across the pitch is always welcome, and he was decent enough in the first half, but he's prone to almost total mental collapse at times, with his second half display a car-crash. Has a lot of improvement to do, especially with his positioning and concentration levels. I can't wait for Clyne to return, as he's our best defender by a mile.
Matip (4) He gets an easy ride because of the comparative shitness of the players around him. If he was playing in a team that wasn't one of the worst defences in the league, he'd be correctly identified as the weak link, with weak challenges, poor clearances and sloppy passing. A mediocre player.
Lovren (4) Matip should be grateful that this spastic is his CB partner, because Lovren can sometimes make Stephen Hawking look like a commanding defensive presence. However, overall he wasn't much worse than Matip. He started appallingly, certainly, but weirdly improved in the second half, and was almost mediocre.
Moreno (6) The pick of the defence, even if he was partly culpable for the second goal. He was obviously far more impressive in attack, causing problems with his runs into space and aggressive, attacking football. Our attack must love him in the team, but until we get a better defence to cover for him, he still leaves too many gaps.
Henderson (7) Extra point for the finely taken goal, this was far more impressive from Henderson. I've never been a huge fan, but if he could just give us a 7/10 every week, then it would be fine. There was again some sloppy moments with the ball, and he simply doesn't have the brain to to be the calming, controlled serene presence that is occasionally required. However, he was far and away our best midfielder and did plenty of good stuff.
Can (6) Hit the post with a good shot, and showed some nice skills in possession, but again he struggles to execute the simple things well, and can lurch from sublime to ridiculous within a 30 second period.
Wijanldum (4) His usual away performance: runs about doing....almost nothing at all. The biggest away-game shithouse I've ever seen.
Coutinho (8) Set up the first goal, controlled the ebb and flow of our attacks on his own, an then smacked in a wondrous free kick. So influential before he tired.
Salah (8) I don't really mind if he does miss a few chances he should score, because he scores anyway. What a fucking signing this lad has been. We all know how vital pace and goals are, and he's top scorer, despite the profligacy. A constant menace, and gets into dangerous positions time and time again. Imagine Salah, Mane and a peoper striker in this team? Wow.
Firmino (4) Shit.
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I've always been a fucking massive fan of Clyne. There's always been some idiots who constantly gave him a hard time, but he's a good defender and as such, is our best defender.
Exactly what i thought ..... 'Lucas has returned black with youth and muscle' arrrgh !!!!
The alternative is worse!
@FoxForceFive - I think the majority of people on this site 95% actually have always stood up for Clyne and have clearly stated their support for his primary work in defense. I was one of the very few that 'did not get it' - and clearly now it would appear the title of 'moron' does apply to me for 'not getting it'.
Most people on this site as I clearly remember it made Clyne a player who is not up for any form of criticism - and therefore defended him ALWAYS as they realised that his defensive work well outweighs any attacking frailties he may have. Clearly those very same people realized something which I have not - which is that the other defenders we have are utter shit.
I am a fan of Clyne and advocated his signing when he was still at Crystal Palace but there was a noticeable drop off in performance levels in the second half of last season.I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that he was playing through some kind of injury which inhibited his play and right now I cant wait to see a fully fit Clyne return.
All of that said I still believe that both TAA and Gomez can become fine players and both their unsteady recent performances are symptomatic of their youth and inexperience.
They have many qualities and with the right coaching and development they could both be terrific players in the future
All of that said I still believe that both TAA and Gomez can become fine players and both their unsteady recent performances are symptomatic of their youth and inexperience.
They have many qualities and with the right coaching and development they could both be terrific players in the future
On top of that he gave the ball away while outside his box in the first half doing an impression of Karius that left Leicester with a shot from distance into an empty net. It's his first shocker in a while but I really don't understand people putting a positive spin on it just because he saved the penalty, he got pretty much every major decision wrong.
Watch the replay of the first goal he actually tries to drag down the forward on the edge of the six yard box to stop him tapping it in, if he's succeeded he would have been sent off. He's mind boggling at times.
Clyne is as I've stated on several occasions one of our most consistent if not the most consistent performer in our squad. But he's not perfect. Yeah, I criticised his crosses but that was warrented imo because our attack would have benefitted greatly from it considering that he almost always manages to get into a crossing position.
That doesn't take away the fact that he still is our most consistent defender.
If you want to pat yourself on the back for saying that his crosses doesn't matter, then good for you.
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