Maybe Klopp can work his magic. It worked with Van Dijk, Salah and Keita.
Klopp Magic ?
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Maybe Klopp can work his magic. It worked with Van Dijk, Salah and Keita.
None of those 3 were top tier and from a top team
What?
Maybe Klopp can work his magic. It worked with Van Dijk, Salah and Keita
In spite of repetition , the points still bollocks
Disagree. Others wanted both van Dijk and Keita. They came to us because of Klopp.
Keita Barca weren't willing to pay more than the release clause. We paid more in advance to guarantee the sale.
Man city/Chelsea for van Dijk.
Again there wasn't any bids in the summer (as let tissier loved spouting) due to the prohibitive price of van Dijk, even from us (granted that was because we withdrew interest after we tapped him up)
And, final point, van Dijk and keita are not comparable to kroos, because kroos has been fantastic for half a decade, rather than 1 season. And he's done it Munich/Madrid, not Celtic/Southampton and Salzburg/Leipzig
They may have liked to work with klopp, but fundamentally us paying over the odds got us those players, rather than the magic of klopp
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But wanted by other top clubs.
Not enough to bid
So it wasn't a combination of the two ? They didn't have to come to us and wouldn't have if they were totally opposed (as supposedly some other players have been). I'd say that Klopp was the prime factor in both VvD (who said as much) and Keita's move.
I don't think klopp was the prime factor at all.
A factor? Probably, but not the main one.
Just because someone says yes to a move, doesn't mean that their heart and soul is behind it. There was apparently no bids for those players from other top clubs.
The fuck can you move to a club which hasn't bid for you
If that was the case why did Naby Keita sign for us a year in advance. If he wasn't totally sold on Liverpool, wouldn't he have waited the 12 months to see who else came in for him?
Yeah, definitely when it comes to other players klopp was a factor. But the initial discussion was top tier targets. And there's been none.
VVD coming on good wages and guaranteed starter
Same for keita
Ox promised to play in a position where hes happy
Robinson no one else decent wanted him
Who else we bought?
Only one I think probably you could argue it was klopp, was Matip.
Also, who's they? The players? Trying to big up the club and the manager. Look at Robbie keanes transfers. Always been a fan of the club he moves to
Guaranteed move to a champions league club on great money off the bag of a great season
He could have had a shitter this year and be stuck at Leipzig. He probably just wanted to guarantee a big move
And with out record...come.to us, have a good season or 2 and then Barca come knocking
We're not top tier comparatively
With our record ... come to us just as we fail to qualify for the Champions League for his first season
Not that I really think that will happen, but it is our normal form
True.
It's also our normal form to pay stupid wages to shite.
Think it seems the issue with some players at the moment, it seems trophies are secondary to a lot of them, as long as financial security long term is guaranteed
Moreno laughing with a West Bromwich player at full time shows that
I do think Klopp enhances our club as he's got a good reputation. I don't know how much difference it makes though - players will generally go for money, trophies and prestige.
Everyone thought we'd be able to bring in German talent off the back of having Klopp but it hasn't worked out that way. They've all pretty much turned us down. Goes to show what's important.
Everyone thought we'd be able to bring in German talent off the back of having Klopp but it hasn't worked out that way. They've all pretty much turned us down. Goes to show what's important.
More eloquent than me, but bang on
Citeh did balk at the price Southampton wanted for Van Dijk but he was widely reported to have turned down an actual offer from the Chavs, there were one or two hints in the German press that Bayern might be in for Keita and the Ox doesn't seem that bothered that he's not actually being played in the central position which he was said to have hankered after.
I don't remember much, if any, discussion on here or in the media about specifically German talent coming in on the back of Klopp's arrival. I do remember discussion of players in general wanting to play for him, and we're going to have to agree to differ on whether there's evidence for that having happened.
But that's the thing. "Reports". The offer from Chelsea to VVD was something, but in a system with quality center backs, he might not be a starter. And that stumbling block is before they even bid.
He was guaranteed starter for us, playing an attractive brand of football, that he could get hero worshipped for if he solved our defence.
Hints for keita doesn't mean bids for keita. We took the initiative and paid well more because we were desperate for him.
? Ox has played centre mid the last few games, recently that's where he's exclusively played when he's started.
But this is all moot, because none of them, as I said earlier, are anywhere near as good as kroos.
Media reports may not be gospel but they're a clear step up from automatic assumptions about what "players play for". There were all sorts of statements on these forums about how van Dijk would never sign for us if Citeh rekindled their interest, which they did before we finally landed him.
I don't know what Bayern were willing to pay for Keita (didn't see any reference to it in the German reports I read) so I'd be interested to know what your evidence is for the suggestion that we paid more than they would have done.
As for the Ox, I may not have watched as carefully as you, but when I've noticed him he's been wide right as often as anywhere.
Sorry but I didn't and still don't see the Kroos point as relevant anyway to the question whether Klopp played an important part in these other players signing for us.
It's not going to be possible to separate and quantify "The Klopp Effect" in transfers. Every case is different.
But there's usually the following factors at play - in no particular order (but the most important two first):
1) Money: transfer fees/ signing-on fees/ wages/contract length etc
2) Success: Likelihood of immediate or imminent trophies
3) Consistency: League performance, stability and position/ qualification for CL
4) The manager
5) Quality of squad
6) Location
7) History: Liverpool's size and history is still a pull.
The manager is still important. It was a factor in VVD joining, and Chamberlain (weak cheer).
How big a factor is the hard bit, but Klopp is most definitely a draw for players who want to work with him. Same for Mourinho, Guardiola, Pochettino, Zidane, or whoever else is working at the top echelons of football management.
There's no point trying to tell me that previous Liverpool managers like Rodgers, or fucking Hodgson, had the pull, gravitas, reputation that Klopp has, or that it doesn't matter. It really does. But not enough in many cases.
But there's usually the following factors at play - in no particular order (but the most important two first):
1) Money: transfer fees/ signing-on fees/ wages/contract length etc
2) Success: Likelihood of immediate or imminent trophies
3) Consistency: League performance, stability and position/ qualification for CL
4) The manager
5) Quality of squad
6) Location
7) History: Liverpool's size and history is still a pull.
The manager is still important. It was a factor in VVD joining, and Chamberlain (weak cheer).
How big a factor is the hard bit, but Klopp is most definitely a draw for players who want to work with him. Same for Mourinho, Guardiola, Pochettino, Zidane, or whoever else is working at the top echelons of football management.
There's no point trying to tell me that previous Liverpool managers like Rodgers, or fucking Hodgson, had the pull, gravitas, reputation that Klopp has, or that it doesn't matter. It really does. But not enough in many cases.
My argument throughout this is that klopp was the prime reason people came to us.
A reason, yes. The reason, no? Especially when people harp on about us beating city. A majority of players would sooner work with guardiola than klopp I'm sure, because he's guaranteed success.
And, also, there was a lack of fucking bids for the players we're talking about. Only ox had a concrete offer from Chelsea. The rest are all based off "reports" of interest and discussions.
Well, yeah. It would be hard to make the case that Klopp was the primary reason any player joined us. I'm pretty sure we're paying VVD and Chamberlain quite a lot of money to play for us.
But certainly when you approach parity in the financial terms and all that stuff, you could easily imagine that VVD or whoever might have had a preference for working with Klopp.
No, I think guardiola now has pull without the massive club vibe. It helps, obviously.
If we're going parity on finance/playing time/guaranteed position security/likelihood of success then yeah, I'm sure klopp would be the main pull.
Until then, no. I don't think he's why some players came to us
I agree with Brendan in that money and success are far bigger pulls than the manager; Robinho didn't turn up at City to work with Mark Hughes.
City, Barca, Bayern would attract the players with or without Guardiola. Or whoever. I think the manager may make the difference between clubs on an equal footing, but otherwise the club foodchain will reign.
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