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Kenny - We Must Focus On Bringing The Title Back

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41992.msg1180054#msg1180054 date=1285171043]
* I didn't have a problem with the team roy picked

* I had no problem with the formation (though meireles playing ahead of gerrard made little sense)

* keeping to tight away from home is a sound tactic

* roy made a VERY good sub with ngog

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however when we got to 2-2 we should have gone for manu's fucking THROATS, they were clearly rattled and thinking about the previous week.

subbing meireles when he was finally pulling the strings (having dropped deeper into midfield) was stupid

and allowing manu to cross time and time again whilst putting no pressure on them by pushing up the pitch because we were intent to defend on the edge of our own area was fucking IDIOTIC, especially since the people asked to defend those crosses against a rampant beracunt was carra and skrtel (hardly dominant in the air)

tactical naivety from roy when at one stage (amazingly) we had manu on the ropes, but oh yeah the people that point this out are talking shit.
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I thought konchesky kept nani at bay most of the game. It was unfortunate the few times he crossed seemed to cause something. Agger gave him too much time for the third though. Torres was at fault for the first. The second was sublime. Man utd did fuck all else really. We did fuck all too like, but i think everyones getting too excited
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41992.msg1180057#msg1180057 date=1285171270]
Yeah, because your fucking love child couldn't block a cross. What are you miffed about? That he didn't bring Babel on?
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He should have done.
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And there lies the agenda, he didn't bring Babel on. Forgetting the fact that he brought on N'Gog and Jovanovic previously. He makes one defensive sub (which could have been for injury reasons, given Konchesky has struggled) and that means we wanted to consolidate the point. Forgetting that we were at Old Trafford and looked like conceding constantly anyway.
 
I thought konchesky kept nani at bay most of the game. It was unfortunate the few times he crossed seemed to cause something. Agger gave him too much time for the third though. Torres was at fault for the first. The second was sublime. Man utd did fuck all else really. We did fuck all too like, but i think everyones getting too excited
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Disagree. Konchesky was shit, and Nani raped him.
 
Spide, Meireles isn't fit enough to be playing 2 games a week. He's had no pre-season, and I was relieved he started - the substitution wasn't much of a surprise, and was likely to be predetermined decision from Roy after speaking to doctors/fitness coaches through the week. I don't understand why he played ahead of Gerrard, that baffles me, and I think the Greek should have been called upon at some point to deal with Berbatov, because he was dominating us in the air.

But I don't agree it was Roy's decision to suddenly 'sit back' as you suggest. You go on like it's Football Manager, and manager can instantly change tactics in a blink of an eye. The fact is, and as Roy said himself recently, 99% of what happens on the pitch is down to the players themselves, whereas the reverse is true on the training field. And after last season and very tough start this term, I think it's a lot to expect the players to have a 'killer instinct' to go on and take advantage of United's current mental frailties at Old Trafford.

Obviously I hope this will change, but it will take time, and a few wins under our belt.

Right now I think people are hunting for things to slate off our manager.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41992.msg1180039#msg1180039 date=1285170256]
roy wanted to consolidate the draw when we got to 2-2, simple as fucking that. people can talk about about being at manu, the amount of strikers we had on the pitch or fucking whatever, we got to 2-2 and simply dropped off and allowed manu to pick their crosses at will with no intent from us to press the crossers and no further intent from ourselves to press the adventage we had 'somehow' craved out for ourselves. chatting shit? fucking BULLSHIT! roy wanted the draw at 2-2.
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Yeah, because your fucking love child number two couldn't block a cross. What are you miffed about? That he didn't bring love child number one on?
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if we hadn't have dropped so deep when oshea had made his cross carra would have had dealt with the cross better. we dropped deeper when we had the momentum and paid the price, the manager was blame because he should demanded we push up the pitch.

as for babel, I wouldn't have brought him on, if fact mark, do you know what I would have changed at 2-2? absolutely FUCK ALL (and that is the absolutel truth) as we have the momentum and changes would only upset the flow we had built up for ourselves.

you give roy a pass for making liverpool drop to the edge of our penalty box, I on the other hand do not.
 
I will give credit where credit is due, the ngog sub was risky (moving from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2) and it worked a treat, torres grew into the game and the defenders had two strikers rather than one to contend with. kudos roy.
 
Because he didn't have a pre-season and just competed in a World Cup.

Fucking hell.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41992.msg1180071#msg1180071 date=1285171840]
Because he didn't have a pre-season and just competed in a World Cup.

Fucking hell.
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meireles is 27 years old, fit as a flea and didn't even play to the latter stages of the competition.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41992.msg1180067#msg1180067 date=1285171580]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41992.msg1180056#msg1180056 date=1285171229]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41992.msg1180039#msg1180039 date=1285170256]
roy wanted to consolidate the draw when we got to 2-2, simple as fucking that. people can talk about about being at manu, the amount of strikers we had on the pitch or fucking whatever, we got to 2-2 and simply dropped off and allowed manu to pick their crosses at will with no intent from us to press the crossers and no further intent from ourselves to press the adventage we had 'somehow' craved out for ourselves. chatting shit? fucking BULLSHIT! roy wanted the draw at 2-2.
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Yeah, because your fucking love child number two couldn't block a cross. What are you miffed about? That he didn't bring love child number one on?
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if we hadn't have dropped so deep when oshea had made his cross carra would have had dealt with the cross better. we dropped deeper when we had the momentum and paid the price, the manager was blame because he should demanded we push up the pitch.

as for babel, I wouldn't have brought him on, if fact mark, do you know what I would have changed at 2-2? absolutely FUCK ALL (and that is the absolutel truth) as we have the momentum and changes would only upset the flow we had built up for ourselves.

you give roy a pass for making liverpool drop to the edge of our penalty box, I on the other hand do not.
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That's just ridiculous. So are you saying by bringing Agger on for Konch, that we dropped deeper? I'd have thought with Super Agger on we'd have been able to step up to the half way line.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41992.msg1180065#msg1180065 date=1285171463]
Spide, Meireles isn't fit enough to be playing 2 games a week. He's had no pre-season, and I was relieved he started - the substitution wasn't much of a surprise, and was likely to be predetermined decision from Roy after speaking to doctors/fitness coaches through the week. I don't understand why he played ahead of Gerrard, that baffles me, and I think the Greek should have been called upon at some point to deal with Berbatov, because he was dominating us in the air.

But I don't agree it was Roy's decision to suddenly 'sit back' as you suggest. You go on like it's Football Manager, and manager can instantly change tactics in a blink of an eye. The fact is, and as Roy said himself recently, 99% of what happens on the pitch is down to the players themselves, whereas the reverse is true on the training field. And after last season and very tough start this term, I think it's a lot to expect the players to have a 'killer instinct' to go on and take advantage of United's current mental frailties at Old Trafford.

Obviously I hope this will change, but it will take time, and a few wins under our belt.

Right now I think people are hunting for things to slate off our manager.
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okay sqiggs I'll explain a little more;
we got the game back to 2-2 and meireles was picking passes in the center of midfield (I will give credit to roy for this but meireles should have been there in the CM in the first place), we have the momentum, manu are rocking.

we then remove meireles for jove, admittedly an attacking player but this attacking player plays on the left, momentum is lost through the middle and now manu are winning the ball faster because we are giving the ball away faster. the second they win the ball they spray the ball wide and then cross, we drop deeper to deal with those crosses.

roy's sub forced us to drop deep even though on the shape of it he is bringing on an attacking player, he is FORCING us to drop off. this is what I mean when I say the subs were a defensive sub even though an ATTACKING player was brought on.
 
Yeah but our point is, the intent was to be attacking, it's not like he thought Jova would give us more defensive cover than Meireles, is it? It's not like he thought that that's how it would pan out by putting on an attacker for a midfielder. He could have put on Lucas but he never.
 
All this chalkboard stuff is tiresome. If we'd have defended a couple of crosses better then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41992.msg1180073#msg1180073 date=1285171949]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41992.msg1180071#msg1180071 date=1285171840]
Because he didn't have a pre-season and just competed in a World Cup.

Fucking hell.
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meireles is 27 years old, fit as a flea and didn't even play to the latter stages of the competition.
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Apart from the fact he's said he isn't as 'fit as flea'.

Still, I'm sure you know best.
 
We've been vulnerable at set-pieces and crosses for a long time.

Hyypia dominated the aerial duels and brought a calmness and stability that is since missing with his departure. Pepe doesn't dominate his area which is the root of our aerial weakness.
 
I love hearing people eulogising about where Meireles should have played and how he should have played against Brum and how Roy hasn't got a clue when the same bunch of know all cunts hadn't even heard of the bastard before Roy bought him.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41992.msg1180099#msg1180099 date=1285175222]
I love hearing people eulogising about where Meireles should have played and how he should have played against Brum and how Roy hasn't got a clue when the same bunch of know all cunts hadn't even heard of the bastard before Roy bought him.
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Ha, so true.
 
Squiggles, take off your blinkers. We can agree that Pepe is one of the most dynamic keepers in world football but he doesn't dominate the area for crosses and corners.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41992.msg1180099#msg1180099 date=1285175222]
I love hearing people eulogising about where Meireles should have played and how he should have played against Brum and how Roy hasn't got a clue when the same bunch of know all cunts hadn't even heard of the bastard before Roy bought him.
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apart from seeing him in that small sunday kick about in the park, what's it called? oh yes, THE WORLD CUP.
 
That's the point, Neil.

No one would have heard of him before the World Cup, unless they'd been following Porto.
 
it's harsh to say people didn't know who he was before the world cup. I thought he was a solid performer on the european stage
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41992.msg1180136#msg1180136 date=1285180215]
it's harsh to say people didn't know who he was before the world cup. I thought he was a solid performer on the european stage
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No it isn't. I posted a topic on here saying we were about to buy him. Search for it. Most people are all like... who?

And while I knew who he was I didn't remember the 25 minutes he'd spent on the pitch when we'd dicked them 4-0. I didn't especially pick him out as the standout performer in Portugal's crap world cup, but on reflection it seems he did do well considering how bollocks they were. My channels don't extend to full coverage of the Portuguese league, so I probably hadn't seen him play more than 10 times when we signed him, and on those occasions hadn't picked him out as anything special. I do watch all the footy that's on. My bird does think it's a problem. Would many UK based fan who didn't have a very specific interest in the Portuguese league known much more than that? Just asking like? I mean Alonso was the star performer of a team that had recently come second in Spain, and was thus all over Sky most weekends.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41992.msg1180148#msg1180148 date=1285181099]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41992.msg1180136#msg1180136 date=1285180215]
it's harsh to say people didn't know who he was before the world cup. I thought he was a solid performer on the european stage
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No it isn't. I posted a topic on here saying we were about to buy him. Search for it. Most people are all like... who?

And while I knew who he was I didn't remember the 25 minutes he'd spent on the pitch when we'd dicked them 4-0. I didn't especially pick him out as the standout performer in Portugal's crap world cup, but on reflection it seems he did do well considering how bollocks they were. My channels don't extend to full coverage of the Portuguese league, so I probably hadn't seen him play more than 10 times when we signed him, and on those occasions hadn't picked him out as anything special. I do watch all the footy that's on. My bird does think it's a problem. Would many UK based fan who didn't have a very specific interest in the Portuguese league known much more than that? Just asking like? I mean Alonso was the star performer of a team that had recently come second in Spain, and was thus all over Sky most weekends.
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i remember your thread and felt excited.....my giddyness may have covered up other posts though

not sure how i know about him though as i'm not an avid follower of the portugese league

*ponders*
 
Having searched for that thread now crump, you make a valid point

*shakes head at forum*
 
I'm not saying you specifically anyways, I'm saying generally. I'm also saying that generally people posting seem to now think they're authorities on how Roy should be using him and all the rest of it.

Does not compute.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41992.msg1180247#msg1180247 date=1285185173]
I'm not saying you specifically anyways, I'm saying generally. I'm also saying that generally people posting seem to now think they're authorities on how Roy should be using him and all the rest of it.

Does not compute.
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no i agree with you. Theres a lot there who don't know anythin about him. My main contribution is

*refuses to believe it*

yet now there's a lot saying roy is shit for playing him in the wrong position

laughable, agenda based nonsense really
 
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