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Kenny Huang leading serious bid for LFC

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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=41235.msg1152095#msg1152095 date=1281518858]
I just hope this Huang bid stands up to scrutiny, whoever his backers.

It seems by far the best scenario at the moment.
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that was an excellent piece by the new york times.
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What was excellent about it, at all? It was an entirely favourable bio with no sense of balance, or proportion. He likes badminton and sold chinese novelties in the early part of his career, who the fuck cares?

It was a shit article that was one part unbelievably favourable bio (here's some guy that speaks highly of him), one part vague musing about China.

Horrible.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41235.msg1152442#msg1152442 date=1281556435]
Can't bamba or whatever he's called clarify all this?

Scm needs to snap him up.
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I agree, he seems like a top, top guy to be fair.

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No serious bidders it seems...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7939708/Liverpool-postpone-meeting-to-discuss-takeover-with-no-serious-bids-on-the-table.html

Liverpool postpone meeting to discuss takeover with no serious bids on the table
A Liverpool board meeting scheduled for Thursday to discuss offers for the club has been postponed, providing further evidence of the complications and uncertainty surrounding the club’s future.

By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter
Published: 7:36PM BST 11 Aug 2010

Great expectations: Liverpool's supporters are desperate for the club to resolve their future and serve up success on the pitch Photo: ACTION IMAGES
Telegraph Sport can disclose that the decision to postpone was taken amid continuing doubts about the credibility of potential bidders and after the date had been publicised in the media.
A well-placed source said it would have been “premature†to meet this week, indicating that the club were yet to receive any formal offers backed by proof of funds.

Sources said the board would not meet this week and it is unclear when the five-man group – chairman Martin Broughton, owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, managing director Christian Purslow and commercial director Ian Ayre – will now convene.
The delay raises doubts about the club’s prospects of changing hands this month, or even before the Oct 6 refinancing deadline set by Royal Bank of Scotland.
Broughton had asked as many as six potential buyers to table detailed offers, including proof of funds, by the end of this week, in the hope that two might be worth serious consideration. That deadline now looks ambitious.
For supporters desperate for clarity amid the claims and counter-claims of the last fortnight the postponement is not a positive sign.
Broughton might still emerge from the fog of speculation clutching a piece of paper securing the future of Liverpool FC in the near future, but this does not make it feel any more imminent.
At least five potential buyers are thought to have expressed an interest. Chinese-American businessman Kenneth Huang and Syrian Yahya Kurdi have both said they are considering an offer for the club, while the Kuwaiti Al-Kharafi family and New York investors the Rhone Group are also thought to have expressed an interest. Indian conglomerate Sahara said this week it would not bid “for the time beingâ€, but did not rule it out.
Until any of them table offers with proof of funds Broughton’s hopes of securing a deal before the end of the transfer window will be dashed.
The timing is significant. The deadline for formal offers falls on Friday, and marks the end of the two-week window after which Huang indicated he would walk away if his offer was not accepted. It is also a fortnight from the closure of the transfer window, the last opportunity for Roy Hodgson to enhance his squad.
It appears likely now that the window will close without a formal change in Liverpool’s ownership leaving the far more significant deadline set by RBS looking like the decisive factor in the fate of the club.
The bank agreed to extend its £237million loan facility in April only after Hicks and Gillett agreed to sell and to appoint Broughton to oversee the process.
RBS is also understood to have imposed more expensive terms on the Americans, with £110million of their debt reportedly converted to payment-in-kind loans accruing interest of up to £2.5m a week.
This gives RBS by far the greatest leverage of any of the players in the Anfield saga, though whether they will choose to use it remains to be seen.
They are reported to have offered to “ease†the financing for any bidder, a move that emphasises the sensitivity of their position.
If October arrives with no acceptable offer RBS could extend its financing to the Americans again, or take a more drastic step and force out Hicks and Gillett and effectively take control of the club.
That would be a hugely controversial step for the publicly-owned bank to take and would require the endorsement of senior management including chief executive Stephen Hester. Removing the Americans might be popular on Merseyside and would certainly simplify the process, but it would not be without implications for the banks reputation.
For potential bidders RBS’s situation offers an opportunity. Letting the clock tick down will increase the bank’s anxiety, the fees paid by Hicks and Gillett and drive the price down .
Sahara’s statement this week suggests that may be their strategy. Yahya Kurdi, understood to be backed by investors from Sharjah and considered a serious bidder by the Americans, who are seeking a profit from their time in charge at Anfield, indicated he would do likewise.
“I want at least two months, two months to see everything. After that if everything is OK it’s a deal. If not, ‘Thank you very much,’†he told Bloomberg this week.
The Huang bid told Telegraph Sport on Wednesday that it had still not decided whether to make an offer. Marc Ganis, a US associate of Huang’s, said via email:
“We haven’t yet decided to submit a formal proposal but are interested in looking at an investment there. I suspect that is obvious. We also have not identified the potential investors.â€
Ganis’s statement is a far more sober assessment than the suggestions of a swift Chinese government-led takeover emanating from Huang’s camp last week Huang, a sports business investor who cites top-level contacts in China and the US, has made no comment himself since news of his intentions emerged last week, there has been confusion over the source of his funding and the exact make-up of his team.
His background has come under scrutiny too, though not via his company website, which has displayed the message ‘Site Under Maintenance’ since his involvement Huang received high-profile endorsement on Wednesday when Randy Levine, president of the New York Yankees, telling The New York Times he had arranged marketing tie-ups in China.
Huang would hope to do the same for Liverpool, but first he will have to convince Broughton that he has the investment backing to buy the club.
Huang would hope to do the same for Liverpool, but first, like everyone else circling the club, he will have to convince Broughton he has the finances to buy the club.
 
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I'm not getting excited about this. As I say, we've had more false dawns than The Truman Show.
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^^
 
there's no serious offers. We can all see that. we're only attracting con-men and wannabe's.

The people with the money, the serious players smell blood in the water, and are waiting for the price to go down, which will come soon, since there's no offers, and a threat of administration...
 
We'll have to endure as best we can.

Someone will want to buy us, even if they're waiting for the price to go down first.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41235.msg1152562#msg1152562 date=1281560125]
We'll have to endure as best we can.

Someone will want to buy us, even if they're waiting for the price to go down first.
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Just ignore it Avvy, if and when it happens, it happens.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41235.msg1152569#msg1152569 date=1281560299]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41235.msg1152562#msg1152562 date=1281560125]
We'll have to endure as best we can.

Someone will want to buy us, even if they're waiting for the price to go down first.
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Just ignore it Avvy, if and when it happens, it happens.
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Good advice for a terminal illness.
 
I don't think we're terminal though; RBS will be motivated to find a buyer even if they stand to make losses on the eventual sale.

Taking us over or putting us into administration will be something they'll want to avoid desperately.

The lower the price gets, the more desperate the Yanks will get to offload us.

It's bad, but we're not dead yet.
 
Who wouldn't wait just two months to buy LFC off the bank? I doubt RBS will extend this exorbitant financing to the shit because with the debt rising higher and the club's value falling, it seems unlikely that they will get the money back when the sale finally happens.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=41235.msg1152569#msg1152569 date=1281560299]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41235.msg1152562#msg1152562 date=1281560125]
We'll have to endure as best we can.

Someone will want to buy us, even if they're waiting for the price to go down first.
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Just ignore it Avvy, if and when it happens, it happens.
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Good advice for a terminal illness.
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Yeh Hicks-Gillett Syndrome
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41235.msg1152582#msg1152582 date=1281560580]
I don't think we're terminal though; RBS will be motivated to find a buyer even if they stand to make losses on the eventual sale.

Taking us over or putting us into administration will be something they'll want to avoid desperately.

The lower the price gets, the more desperate the Yanks will get to offload us.

It's bad, but we're not dead yet.
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I know, it was just a bit of gallows humour.
 
The Messiah has returned with an update.

Just a quickie, brethren. I'm absolutely confident the Huang takeover is bang on course. I hate being evasive. I'd promised I wouldn't come back onto this thread until I had solid news, but I feel the anguish everyone is going through and felt I should pop in and try to calm the fear, understandable as it is. Hold your nerve and talk about football for a day or two. It's coming to a head. I really can't say any more.

No prizes for guessing who this RAWK poster is.


Also update from Tony Barrett while we're at it.

Barclays Capital (BarCap) remains hopeful of at least two bids for Liverpool being lodged by tomorrow’s deadline despite the fact that not a single offer has been made for the club.

Kenny Huang, a Hong Kong-based tycoon, and Yahya Kirdi, a Syrian businessman, have been involved in a very public race to buy the club, but neither has shown their hand, forcing BarCap to consider extending its deadline.

Martin Broughton, the Liverpool chairman who was brought in with a specific remit to sell the club, had identified the end of this week as the deadline for all parties to submit legally binding offers, including proof of funds.

Liverpool are expected to complete the signing of Brad Jones in the coming days having increased their initial £2 million bid to Middlesbrough for the Australian goalkeeper. Roy Hodgson is also close to tying up the loose ends on Christian Poulsen’s £5 million transfer from Juventus. with the midfield player likely to be in the Liverpool squad for Sunday’s Premier League match at home to Arsenal.
 
[s]Just a quickie, brethren.[/s] I'm absolutely confident the Huang takeover Chinese takeway is banger & mash on course. I hate being evasive not in the know. I'd promised I wouldn't come back onto this thread until I had solid news, but I feel the anguish everyone is going through and felt I should pop in and try to calm the fear, understandable as it is. Hold your nerve and talk about football for a day or two. It's coming to a head. I really can't say any more.

What no sweet and sour pork and chow mein with wanton soup?
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41235.msg1152559#msg1152559 date=1281560030]
there's no serious offers. We can all see that. we're only attracting con-men and wannabe's.

The people with the money, the serious players smell blood in the water, and are waiting for the price to go down, which will come soon, since there's no offers, and a threat of administration...
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Alternatively the pople with money realise that there is little money to be made out of investing in football, or at best it's a risky investment and in our case a risky investment involving a fair amount of capital injection after the debts are paid off.

THe truth of the matter is that the only super rich person buying us nowe would be doing it as a vanity project and not as a serious business investment.

Heartbreaking...
 
Cant say it wasnt to be expected, any investor would have to pay around 350-400M for the club to clear the debts, then another 300M or so for the stadium aswell as investing into the playing squad. Close to 1billion is alot of money if your just looking for an investment.
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=41235.msg1152669#msg1152669 date=1281591251]
Cant say it wasnt to be expected, any investor would have to pay around 350-400M for the club to clear the debts, then another 300M or so for the stadium aswell as investing into the playing squad. Close to 1billion is alot of money if your just looking for an investment.
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Your figures don't add up to close to 1 billion, and your figures are wrong, unsurprisingly.
 
Good summary by David Conn of the Guardian:

In the swirl of announcements, declarations of intent to buy Liverpool, the ins and outs of whether the China Investment Corporation is backing Kenneth Huang, and now the revelation that members of the ruling family of Sharjah, in the United Arab Emirates, may be behind the Syrian businessman Yahya Kirdi, two crucial truths stand unmoved.

The first is that the Liverpool board, which meets tomorrow, has still not been presented with formal proposals by any bidder, together with the identity of the planned investors and documented proof that they have the money.

Despite the dramatic burst of publicity and activity around the club, Liverpool's directors have not been furnished with anything substantial to consider tomorrow and that lays bare the second incontrovertible fact. Liverpool Football Club is still, as things stand, owned by Tom Hicks and George Gillett, and owes £237m to Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia, who are charging penalty fees the longer the club is not sold, and have the right to call in their loans on 6 October.

About two years since Hicks and Gillett went looking for new investors, and four months since Martin Broughton, the British Airways chairman, was appointed as Liverpool's chairman to sell the club, no firm bid has yet been made. It is striking that no British businessman has apparently even considered buying Liverpool, despite the club's great stature and heritage, because of the scale of debts to pay and a £450m new stadium to finance. No well-known, "blue-chip" operators or corporations have emerged either, leaving supporters, the media and the board itself frantically casting around for any available information on relatively obscure figures.

Of the two which declared their interest last week, the proposed bid fronted by Kirdi has made the most consistently positive statements, and this week promised to formalise their offer within days.

A source close to that deal said yesterday that agreement in principle has been reached with Hicks and Gillett for a sale of the club to Kirdi's backers, although Dan Diamond, president of GameDay, a Canadian consultancy working with Kirdi to broker the deal, refused to confirm whether those investors are in fact from Sharjah.

"Plans are in place to close the deal shortly," the source said. "A proof of funds will accompany the closing of the deal in a form requested by Martin Broughton, the club's board and the owners. Everyone is focused on getting this done, so that the next era in the history of Liverpool can begin."

Meanwhile Marc Ganis, the US-based sports consultant working with Huang, told Sportingintelligence yesterday that CIC, the investment arm of the Chinese government, are not committed as a backer, and said no decision had been made to even present an offer to Liverpool.

Kirdi's proposed bid was met with widespread scepticism when it was announced last week, partly because of the Canadian involvement, and reports that it will involve about $600m (£380m) being paid for the club to Hicks and Gillett. That, for many fans, seemed to place Kirdi too close to the north American pair, who have outraged supporters by loading the £185m they borrowed to buy Liverpool in the first place, on to the club to repay.

Diamond, however, stated last week that Kirdi and his investors have been working on a bid to buy Liverpool since October. Kirdi, a Syrian businessman of relatively modest means based in Canada, is said to represent members of the Sharjah ruling family on various business dealings, and that has led to the conclusion that the potential investors behind him do include members of the al-Qasimi family.

If true, if they move to make a solid offer, and if that offer is accepted – the multiple layers of uncertainty in which this process is currently mired – that suggests major money from the UAE could be made available to Liverpool. Sharjah is the third largest of the Emirates, after Abu Dhabi and Dubai, and while it does not boast the gushing oil resources of Abu Dhabi, members of its ruling family do have access to substantial wealth, in an economy based on crude oil and natural gas.

The structure of the proposed deal is that the debt to RBS and Wachovia would be repaid in full, and the new stadium on Stanley Park, itself more than 10 years in the dreaming, would be financed with a 15-year mortgage on generous terms to the club.

Diamond would not discuss reports that Kirdi's investors have agreed to pay Hicks and Gillett $600m, but it has been asserted they are not seeking to pay Hicks and Gillett as little as possible, as was proposed on behalf of Huang last week. That in itself has aroused further scepticism, in a financial culture in which the emphasis is on seeking to pay as low a price as an investor can get away with. However, a source close to the Kirdi deal said the investors consider Liverpool one of the great football clubs and sporting institutions of the world, not as a distressed company in which control can be wrestled for a price hostile to Hicks and Gillett.

'The price being paid is seen as a negotiated and fair value," the source said. "The new owners will look to be involved at Liverpool for the long term, see the new stadium built, invest in the team. They see supporters as integral to the club, and intend to reach out and involve them."

That sentiment echoes the supporter-friendly message emanating from Huang yesterday, describing supporters as "key stakeholders" and pledging to meet with Spirit of Shankly-Share Liverpool, the unified group which has more than 50,000 registered supporters.

Such diplomacy from prospective buyers of a club as large as Liverpool demonstrates how formidable supporters have made themselves in modern times by organising into trusts and forging a keen, educated view of how their clubs are owned and run. Rogan Taylor, a founder member of Share Liverpool, has talked of Liverpool fans "losing their innocence" as the debts loaded on by Hicks' and Gillett's takeover became clear. SOS-SL are actively seeking to raise £50m to buy a stake in the club, in partnership with new owners, and in return to be granted representation in the running of the club.

Taylor, director of the Football Industries Group at Liverpool University, said that if the warm words for supporters being expressed by the prospective bidders translate into a solid partnership with fans by new owners, it would be: "Truly groundbreaking and mark the shift to a new era."

Before any bright future can dawn, however, the declarations of interest voiced last week must harden into solid offers backed by real and verified money. That has not happened yet, from anyone, anywhere.

"Our priority is to make sure we do not do the wrong deal," said a source close to the sale process. "At present it is not clear how many satisfactory proposals we are going to receive."

That, for all the talk and speculation, is the limbo in which Liverpool remain, laden with debt and out of the Champions League, on the threshold of a new season.
 
Liverpool fans are "losing their innocence" and have a "keen, educated view", and yet are easily suckered in by a message of virtue by undervaluation, made by a complete unknown, with unknown backing, who offers little more than PR and promises.
 
So, the agony continues. In the darkest hour I can see this going right through to administration.

Given a sober assessment, what have Liverpool FC to offer for the now exorbitant price needed just to free it from debt?

Going forward, how much is needed to obtain a new stadium and enhance it's playing squad?

I know there is a commercial value of the brand but is it enough? I doubt it.

As someone said earlier, it's a vanity project only. It will surely only be luck that we survive as the club we currently pretend to be.

Am I the only one that thinks that swapping failed American businessman for ambitious Orientals or vague Arab consortiums is a pretty uncomfortable place to be?

I now associate Liverpool FC with financial difficulty before football - how sad is that?, and I bet I'm not the only one.

Apologies in advance for the hand wringing, it's just the way I feel.
 
It's hard not to feel the same way Jexy.

It's a bad sign when we're having to cling onto the hope that obscure businessmen with backers who are even more obscure will come and rescue us. There isn't an attractive option out there at the moment - at least not one that is known to us fully.
 
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I now associate Liverpool FC with financial difficulty before football - how sad is that?, and I bet I'm not the only one.

Apologies in advance for the hand wringing, it's just the way I feel.
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That is exactly how i feel about the club, even though i'm quite optimistic about our football prospects for the season. The dire financial state over-shadows absolutely everything.

The most optimisitic thing at this moment looks like a 200 million pounds investment for 51% stake. With the money going directly to pay off the loans and the remaining debt bundled in to a low interest long term loan. Meanwhile, the 'Dream Stadium' project remains just that.
 
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