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Kenny Huang leading serious bid for LFC

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At least our new no. 12 will gives us something to smile about!
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He still have some way before he gives us as much as the original number 12.
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Insignificance: do elaborate?
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I believe Sami was the first guy who used the shirt reguraly?
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Whelan had it for a bit i think too.
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Dani is without a doubt an exciting prospect. Roy's allocation to him of the no. 12 jersey shows his likely intent to use the lad.

One thing we all agree on is that both Hyppia and Whelan are legends.
 
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It seems the more people look into Huang, the more he seems a bit shady.

Nick Harris, who suggested Gillett was shady BEFORE he took over reckons this is another shyster.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/08/09/revealed-liverpool-bidder-kenny-huang-in-embezzlement-puzzle-as-doubts-remain-over-background-090801/
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That's an excellent website. Everyone should read it.
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so, basically that is bidding for us is shady? marvelous. is there no such thing as 'clean' money anymore?
 
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It seems the more people look into Huang, the more he seems a bit shady.

Nick Harris, who suggested Gillett was shady BEFORE he took over reckons this is another shyster.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/08/09/revealed-liverpool-bidder-kenny-huang-in-embezzlement-puzzle-as-doubts-remain-over-background-090801/
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That's an excellent website. Everyone should read it.
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so, basically that is bidding for us is shady? marvelous. is there no such thing as 'clean' money anymore?
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Not unless it's been laundered.
 
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So it's Syria Vs China in the Battle For Liverpool!

Starring a whole cast of PR-led, cash-poor, greedy charlatans, and lying cunts!
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No religious nutters though?!
 
Could RBS end up owning Liverpool? David Maddock examines all the takeover options
By David Maddock
Published 17:26 10/08/10

A word of warning to Tom Hicks and George Gillett. Don’t make Liverpool fans angry. You won’t like them when they’re angry.

If the Americans think that they’ve had a tough time from the supporters of the club they own, then they ain't seen nothing yet. Because, believe me, there is a shit storm brewing, and it is heading their way.

When they bought the club, the two Yanks said they were merely “custodians†of Liverpool’s rich and illustrious history, and they would ensure that legacy continued. What happened next is well documented, but they were not custodians in any sense of the word.

Now, at last, they are leaving, but even when they have finally done something right in choosing to sell up, they seem intent on doing it in a manner which will merely heap more shame on their disastrous regime.

Last weekend, it was revealed that the Americans have now converted their loans on the club to a similar agreement to that utilised by the Glazer family at Old Trafford, which essentially defers the debt and wracks it up in ever increasing numbers.

Some estimates suggest levels could even double within the next two years, and everyone agrees that if a buyer can’t be found within the next few weeks, then the club is doomed financially.

That will force the major creditor, the Royal Bank of Scotland, to make a tough decision over the future of the club. They can call in their loans – all £250m or so of it – and effectively move Liverpool towards administration, with the threat of a nine point penalty.

Or they can assume control themselves, by effectively taking Liverpool as a wholly-owned subsidiary of their business against any defaulted payments. As bizarre as this seems, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility, because the bank could then sell on to recoup their outlay.

The third option is a sale before the current loans are up for renewal in October, hence all the fevered activity over the past few weeks, as the Americans look to offload their investment while clearing a fat profit.

But they are playing a game of brinkmanship in trying to force up the price, and they are doing it with the very future of Liverpool Football Club, one of the most illustrious and famous sports clubs in the world.

And if they continue with their tawdry little games, then they will risk the ire of the long-suffering fans at Anfield, and risk a reaction that will make recent protests look like a boy scouts parade.

The supporters are already angry, very angry. Listen to some of them, to judge for yourselves. Alan Kayll, chairman of the Liverpool Supporters’ Club, believes that unless the Americans show some responsibility soon, then they will live to regret it.

“We are appalled at what is happening with our club, we are appalled at figures which show interest being paid at a level of millions of pounds a month,†he said.

“How can the club still function with the refinancing package they agreed in April? We urge these two parasites to let the board sell the club this week, so we don’t have to pay another £15m by the end of August.

“They may be destroying our club, financially, but they won’t destroy us supporters from fighting against them and ending this sorry mess we find ourselves in.â€

The problem for Liverpool fans, is that even in selling the club, Hicks and Gillett seem intent on playing the role of pantomime villains.

The chairman Martin Broughton and his board are supposed to have the right to find a ‘best fit’ buyer who will offer the brightest future for the club, even if they don’t necessarily offer the highest price.

Yet we learn that the Americans themselves have been negotiating privately, and are intent on finding a buyer not in the interests of the club, but the interests of their pockets.

We shouldn’t be surprised, because we discovered a long time ago the extent of their greed, but we should be worried. The person they seem willing to do business with hardly looks like the best fit for Liverpool’s long-term health.

He is Syrian businessman Yahya Kirdi, who was originally described as a ‘billionaire’, but in fact has no significant money of his own. He was originally described as a ‘former international footballer’, but in fact wasn’t.

He was described as a ‘corporate businessman’, but in fact owned, variously, some pizza outlets and a clothes store. There is also a suggestion he was once a ‘handyman’, who could fix various odd-job problems. So maybe he could turn his hand to running up a new stadium.

He has been linked, in recent weeks, with another Syrian businessman, Rami Makhlouf, with whom he apparently has some business connections. There is a Rami Makhlouf from Syria who is a major international business player with close connections to the government there... but who has had his assets frozen in the United States, and is forbidden from doing business with any US citizens.

There is a quite brilliant piece of investigative journalism on Yahya Kirdi by Jim Boardman on a Liverpool supporters’ website, Anfield Road, and I urge you to read it on by clicking here.

No wonder Liverpool fans are angry, because even if the man the Americans are in talks with proves to have the money to buy the club, can he really satisfy Broughton, never mind the Premier League’s fit and proper person test?

Kirdi claims that he will have an agreement in place by the weekend. One rather suspects that if he does, then there will be a revolt amongst the supporters the likes of which has never before been seen in English football.

Dave Usher, the editor of the consistently sensible and impressive fans’ website, The Liverpool Way, says that the many, many thousands of supporters who use his forum have had enough.

“What is clear is that the fans won’t take any more of this. With revelations about the ridiculous levels of borrowing in recent weeks, and the lengths the owners are ready to go to in their attempts to squeeze yet more profit out of the club and the fans, then there is going to be a massive reaction,†he said.

“If they think the supporters will simply sit back and let it happen, then they are mistaken. There have been some protests against them so far, but unless the right thing happens very soon, then they will nothing compared to what comes next.â€

The problem for Liverpool fans, is that there seems little chance of a swift takeover. Unless Kirdi is a mere stalking horse for a fit and proper buyer – which seems unlikely – then there are few alternatives.

Kenny Huang’s Chinese bid has real merit in that it is based in the calm financial reality of expanding lucrative Far East markets, but it is clear the offer won’t meet the levels of profits the Americans demand, and so at best will be a protracted, painful war of attrition that could take months to resolve.

Another alternative, the wealthy Sahara Group from India, said earlier this week they would not be bidding “at this stageâ€, which again suggests if they are to bid, it will be some time in the distance, while the Al Kharafi family seem to have financial problems of their own, and are not thought likely to bid.

Which leaves the Royal Bank of Scotland takeover option. And that means you and I could be the next owners of Liverpool Football Club, given that the government is the majority shareholder in that bank.

In which case, me, Alan Kayll, Jim Boradman and Dave Usher are all claiming our place on the Anfield board right now. Given the job done by the current mob, we probably wouldn’t do any worse – and at least you’d know what the hell is going on……

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/david-maddock/Could-RBS-end-up-owning-Liverpool-David-Maddock-examines-all-the-takeover-options-from-Yahya-Kirdi-to-Kenny-Huang-The-David-Maddock-Column-article549143.html
 
But, but, but, Maddock is a 'stooge' & 'has been bought' by the owners, hence why he wrote positive articles, when we did, erm, positive things. That werent really positive, of course, they were all falsehoods. Of course.

This is more trickery, skullduggery from the evil horned one's stooge! He just WANTS us to think he doesnt like the owners.

Ahh, I see him for what he is now.
 
Yahya Kirdi said he’s not a “cowboy†and isn’t crazy enough to pay “one pound more†than the market value of 18-time English soccer champion Liverpool.

The Premier League team has rejected two of his bids after being put up for sale by its American owners in April, Kirdi said in a phone interview. U.K. media have reported that the offer of the Canadian-based Syrian’s group is higher than those of other possible bidders and is being used by owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett to bid up the price.

“I can’t pay one pound more than value of Liverpool,†Kirdi said by phone from his Montreal home. “I’m not crazy.â€

Reports that he valued the team at 600 million pounds ($947 million) are “not true,†he added. He declined to say what he’d offered, and said his last bid was rejected in April. Liverpool spokesman Ian Cotton said the club doesn’t comment on the sales process.

Liverpool, whose parent company has debts of 351 million pounds, is asking potential bidders to prove they have funds for the purchase before the club’s board meets in two days, two people familiar with the negotiations said yesterday. They said most expressions of interest they’d received valued the team at about 350 million pounds.

Kirdi said he’s backed by “big names†from the Mideast and Canada. He refused to identify them, saying they wanted to remain anonymous until his offer was accepted.

Search for Buyer

Liverpool appointed British Airways Plc Chairman Martin Broughton as its own chairman in April with the task of finding a new owner, while Barclays Capital was chosen as adviser on the sale.

Earlier this month, Hong Kong businessman Kenny Huang became the first to publicly state his interest in the team through his company, QSL Sports Ltd. Kirdi declared his interest in the five-time European champion a day later, Aug. 4. Rhone Group LLC and Kuwaiti businessman Rafed Al Kharafi have also been linked with a possible deal.

Kirdi said he didn’t know why his bids weren’t accepted but had confidence Broughton would come around. Most of his negotiations have been carried out with Gillett, he said.

“I trust Martin Broughton and he’ll decide who’s good for Liverpool,†Kirdi said. He added that he and Broughton met in a London hotel three months ago with Gillett, whom he described as a friend.

Kirdi said he speaks every day with Gillett. Jonathon Brill, a spokesman for the owners, declined to comment.

‘Good for the Club’

While a deal may be agreed soon it would take much longer for a sale to be completed, said Kirdi, a 44-year-old former soccer player.

“I want at least two months, two months to see everything. After that if everything is OK it’s a deal. If not, ‘Thank you very much,’†he said.

Kirdi said he wouldn’t be “a cancer who takes money out of Liverpool.â€

“ I’ve liked them since I was young,†he said. “It’s not important for me that I’m the owner of Liverpool. Whoever takes Liverpool must do good for the club.â€

Prospective buyers must prove they’ll pay off the current owners’ 237 million-pound debt with Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, fund a new stadium and pay for the development of the squad before they’ll be approved, the two people familiar with situation said.

The RBS debt matures Oct. 6. If the club isn’t sold by then and the owners can’t get an extension, the U.K. government- controlled bank could take over Liverpool. The latest refinancing deal agreed in April is costing Gillett and Hicks 2.5 million pounds a week, the News of the World reported two days ago.

Piers Townsend, a spokesman for RBS, declined to comment.

Fans’ Skepticism

Kirdi said he hopes to come to the U.K. Aug. 13 and attend the team’s first Premier League game of the season against Arsenal two days later.

Liverpool supporters have expressed skepticism that Kirdi and his group have the funds to buy the team, which is one of soccer’s most popular with fan groups from New York to Bangkok. A supporter-run website, Anfield Road, reported that until 2008 Kirdi owned pizza outlets in Quebec.

“I’m very serious,†Kirdi said. “There are big names with me, big companies when the deal is done. You’ll know everybody but they want to be private now.â€

He gave his backing to new manager Roy Hodgson, saying he was a better choice to lead the team than previous coach Rafael Benitez, who quit in June after the team finished seventh, its worst league position in 11 years.

“Rafael didn’t do anything good for Liverpool,†Kirdi said. “Hodgson is very good for Liverpool because he’s not some kind of dictator.â€

Liverpool hasn’t won a trophy since the F.A. Cup in 2006. It won the Champions League a year earlier, at the end of Benitez’s first season.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-10/liverpool-bidder-kirdi-says-he-won-t-overpay-in-bidding-for-soccer-club.html

I dont like this Kirdi guy
 
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I've warmed to him a bit there.
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If that's remotely serious, you're insane.
 
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I've warmed to him a bit there.
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ha ha, you 'really' hated rafa, oncy.
 
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I've warmed to him a bit there.
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If that's remotely serious, you're insane.
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Haha, how remote is remotely?

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:laugh: Very Good.
 
I hate the way the internet can fool an uneducated dullard into thinking he is an investigative journalist extraordinaire.

By googling.
 
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I really can't believe those FUCKERS are loading Millions of Debt extra onto the club every month, making my blood boil...
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/sports/soccer/11liverpool.html?src=mv

Chinese Investor Is Said to Be Bidding for English Soccer Club
By DAVID BARBOZA

SHANGHAI — When reports began circulating last week that a Chinese investor was bidding to take over the Liverpool soccer club in the English Premier League, British tabloids quickly called him King Kenny.

That little-known investor is Kenny Huang, 46, a globe-trotting sports enthusiast who has made marketing deals in China with the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Yankees, and has entered into a business partnership with Leslie Alexander, the owner of the Houston Rockets.

In February, he helped the Yankees tour China with their World Series trophy, trying to drum up interest in Major League Baseball. He also advised Chinese investors bidding to acquire a 15 percent stake in the Cavaliers, although the deal did not work out. And in an interview this year, he said that he would consider acquiring an N.F.L. team.

“If there’s an opportunity, we’ll do it, but only for the learning process,†Huang said during the interview in Shanghai in March. “The N.F.L. is the most profitable league. The management, the intellectual property, the ownership structure is the best.â€

Friends say Huang made a fortune working on Wall Street and helping clients invest in Chinese initial public stock offerings. Now, they say, he is pushing China to overhaul its sports system and develop its own professional sports leagues with corporate sponsors — a challenge in a country where the government retains tight control of sports programs.

But his interests are not confined to China. In what could be one of the biggest sports club deals in history, Huang is said to be considering acquiring the Liverpool club from its owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett of the United States, who bought the team in 2007. The English Premier League is the wealthiest soccer league in the world.

Such a takeover — which Huang hinted at in a news release last week — could cost as much as $600 million, analysts say, including the assumption of debt.

Liverpool said last week that there were six bidders for the club but declined further comment. Investors from India and the Middle East are reportedly among those who have shown interest.

The planned bidding for Liverpool underscores the growing interest of foreign buyers in professional sports teams in Europe and the United States. The Manchester City soccer club in England, for example, is owned by the sovereign wealth fund of Abu Dhabi, and in New Jersey, the Nets are controlled by the Russian billionaire Mikhail D. Prokhorov.

Huang, a Chinese-born United States citizen, declined to be interviewed about the potential Liverpool bid. The Times of London wrote last week that China’s sovereign wealth fund was financing the bid. But a spokesman for that fund, China Investment Corp., told The Financial Times that the story was preposterous.

That leaves the spotlight on Huang, who colleagues say has close ties to the Chinese government but also deep-pocketed admirers in the United States.

“Kenny’s a very talented guy, and he’s very knowledgeable about sports,†said Red McCombs, a former owner of the Denver Nuggets and the San Antonio Spurs, and an occasional investor with Huang in China. “He’s a unique dealmaker. I’ll bet on him any day.â€

His background, though, is as complex as it is impressive. In the interview in March, Huang — whose Chinese name is Huang Jianhua — said that he grew up in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou and that as a 9-year-old, he entered a state-run sports school as a badminton player.

Later, he said, he studied Japanese at Zhongshan University in Guangzhou and then in 1985 moved to New York, where he earned a master’s degree at St. John’s and took courses at Columbia University and New York University. He is married with two children, he said.

He also spent several years in the 1980s and early 1990s at the New York Stock Exchange working with Asian stock listings, he said. Then he found more lucrative work.

“After ’91, the Japanese economy collapsed,†Huang recalled of his time at the stock exchange, saying his Japanese was excellent. “The billionaires were in trouble. They said, ‘Why don’t you quit and become our personal investment adviser?’ I was helping them buy and sell assets.â€

Court records in the United States show he lived in New York and southern Florida and in the 1990s formed a series of small companies, including one that sold “Chinese-made novelty products.†It eventually went out of business.

The Web site of another company he helped form, Aspen Infrastructure Investment, lists one of the partners as George Lindemann, whom Forbes magazine ranks as one of the world’s richest men. Lindemann could not be reached for comment this week.

(Huang was sued by one of his former United States partners in a dispute over $2.9 million, but earlier this year, a Florida jury ruled in his favor.)

About eight years ago, he met the consultant Marc Ganis, now his partner at SportsCorp China, a sports business firm.

Ganis said that years ago, Huang brought Chinese officials planning the Beijing Olympics to visit sports facilities in the United States. He said Huang’s business and government ties and his knowledge of how to create successful deals in China allowed him to create breakthrough sports initiatives in the country.

“I’ve introduced Kenny to some of the most important people in the sports industry in the U.S.,†Ganis said. “And they immediately recognize that as China develops, he’s going to be able to grow with it. He has a unique ability to bridge East and West.â€

One of his ventures is Rocket Capital, formed with Alexander of the Rockets. The venture and others have invested more than $200 million in Chinese I.P.O.’s in Hong Kong over the past five years, according to securities filings.

Huang has also worked on sponsorship deals in China with the Rockets, the Cavaliers and the Yankees. Just last week, his company QSL Sports said that a Chinese company had signed a four-year sponsorship deal with the Yankees in the instant noodle sector.

Now, Huang said, he is working to duplicate Little League baseball and other youth sports leagues in China. He has already invested in a professional baseball league and a pro basketball league, the National Basketball League, which he intends to revamp so that it can compete with the much bigger and more heavily financed Chinese Basketball Association.

Analysts say the Chinese have a growing interest in professional sports teams in the United States and Europe. Nike and Adidas are investing heavily in expansion here, and China’s own sports brands, like Li Ning and Anta (which Huang invested in and which recently signed Kevin Garnett of the Boston Celtics basketball team to a sneaker deal) are also thriving.

“I’ve seen the changes in the post-Olympic period,†he said in the interview as he lounged on a sofa at the Westin Hotel in Shanghai, dressed in a track suit and sneakers. “You now have the opportunity to invest in sports. The government wants sports to become an industry.â€

For Huang, the change in Chinese government policy is drastically altering the sports industry here, opening new opportunities for sports clubs and marketers. And that is one reason the Yankees are also looking to Huang.

[size=11pt][size=10pt]“He’s our man in China and he was incredibly important in creating our connections with the Chinese Baseball League and getting our first Chinese sponsor,†said Randy Levine, the president of the Yankees. â€Basically, he makes sure that the Yankee brand is known in China and he brings sponsorship opportunities to us.â€[/size][/size]

Michael S. Schmidt contributed reporting.
 
What an unhelpful puff piece that nytimes thing is.

Well, we've got some noone who will perhaps be facilitating the purchase of something, let's give him an incredibly verbose bio that is longer than most obituaries we run.
 
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Haha

Twat 😉
 
My gut feeling is that neither the Chinese or Syrian 'investors' are serious as there has been far too much speculation and comment in the media. Surely no self respecting bidder would conduct itself in this manner. I think the wait will continue.
 
Andy Heaton on twitter (DVC):

One irrefutable fact in the #LFC takeover saga is that RBS facility at the club can be stretched out until Oct

At that point, if the club hasn't been sold they either renew again or take control of the club, which they would be loathe to do

Which leaves open the possibility of Hicks & Gillett hanging on,hoping that the world economy & the price they get for the club rises

Which is why when you read the following statement from from Kirdi via bloomberg http://j.mp/bxxyjy

“I want at least two months, two months to see everything,†“After that if everything is OK it’s a deal. If not, ‘thank you very much.’â€

The alarm bells going off in your head should be deafening

In regards to Broughton, I trust him to make the right call, but never underestimate how slippery those two, especially Gillett can be

And if they do manage to squeeze this out until Oct, and then Kirdi suddenly (shock/horror) decides he doesn't fancy it, then what?

Or, and this is me just thinking aloud, we have the ultimate doomsday scenario

It's left 'til late Oct, and Kirdi suddenly "reconfigures" his bid and adds to further "surprise" investors, knowing RBS have little choice
 
I just hope this Huang bid stands up to scrutiny, whoever his backers.

It seems by far the best scenario at the moment.
 
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I just hope this Huang bid stands up to scrutiny, whoever his backers.

It seems by far the best scenario at the moment.
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that was an excellent piece by the new york times.
 
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