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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40476.msg1116509#msg1116509 date=1276106349]
First of all I don't believe it would have that effect - caretaker appointments don't elsewhere, so why would that happen now with us?

Secondly, it would avoid making a permanent appointment, with attendant employment rights and contingent financial obligations, which new owners might well want to bring to an end.

Thirdly, it would avoid our having to make such an appointment from what is frankly an underwhelming list of candidates.

Fourthly but by no means least significantly, the identity of this particular caretaker would give the whole club a massive shot in the arm and could well make the difference between some of our top players staying and going.
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How long would he be caretaker for?
 
Paul Dalglish praises his dad & Hodgson in webchat
By Antoine Zammit (Other posts by Antoine Zammit)





This was posted on @TampaBayRowdies today.

“Did you miss the live St. Petersburg Times Q&A with Paul Dalglish? Check out the replay at http://tinyurl.com/2dypyec. http://bit.ly/cRX5mb “

Paul Dalglish had a webchat on a local Florida website, the chat mostly focused on his team The Tampa Bay Rowdies however a couple of questions about Liverpool popped up.

Nothing new, however it is interesting that even Paul confirmed that Kenny wants the job and he does really defend his dad’s impeccable record.

The full interview can be found here

http://blogs.tampabay.com/talk/2010/06/wednesday-chat-with-tampa-bay-rowdies-coach.html

Paul was asked if he would become assistant manager should Kenny become Liverpool’s gaffer, here is Paul’s reply.
“No, he knows me better than that. All joking aside, I just think that hopefully he does get it because I know how much he wants it. To be honest with you it would be an unbelievable story for my dad to be going back. Some people say, well what happens if it doesn’t work. He’s been out of the game for 10 years. My question is, what if it does work? What person loves Liverpool more than my dad? Who would Liverpool fans love to see have success more than my dad. Nothing could make my family more proud. I’d love to see it happen.â€
“To go back to the assistant question, they already have Sammy Lee, who is a great coach and very passionate about Liverpool. He’s the best man for that job. I don’t think they’d sleep at night until they would be successful. And I’m very happy here in the sunshine. I like being part of a great journey here.â€

When asked about Rafa & Hodgson Paul replied
“I was a big Benitez fan. I thought he was an increidble manager and it shows how highly he’s regarded in European football that he got a job straight away with the European champions. I was personally in In istanbul when we had that miraculous comeback against AC Milan. That was one of the best nights of my life so I thank him for giving me that pleasure.?â€

“As for Roy Hodgson, he’s a very good man and he did a very good job taking Fulham to the UEFA Cup final. But I’m sure given the opportunity, he would do a tremendous job. But I’m biased. I want by dad. I think my dad is the best person to do the job, I know he wants the job. If you look at my dad’s record, he’s had one bad year as a manager, and that was his second year at Newcastle. And he would admit he made some mistakes. Even in that terrible year, Newcastle still made it to the FA Cup final. He’s a born winner. He’s an inspiration to everyone connected to Liverpool Football Club. o one can inspire the whole club in these difficult times like my father.â€

Y.N.W.A.
 
Jesus... if Paul's right and his dad really does want the job that much, I guess we should give it to him. It would be disrespectful not to under the circumstances.
 
There is no need to panic! You are all resorting to religion as the answer to our current problems! This has no historical record of success. You don't choose a manager on the basis of respect, you choose him because you think he is the best possible manager to win matches.

Put out those flaming torches and put the pitchforks back in the barn!

;D
 
Don't do it Squiggles! Don't listen to the voices in your head!

Fight the temptation to try to dance back to some happy 1980's La-La Land!
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=40476.msg1116793#msg1116793 date=1276124797]
Don't do it Squiggles! Don't listen to the voices in your head!

Fight the temptation to try to dance back to some happy 1980's La-La Land!
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I haven't seen us lift a title. It's the only place for me to be!
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40476.msg1116754#msg1116754 date=1276122296]
Jesus... if Paul's right and his dad really does want the job that much, I guess we should give it to him. It would be disrespectful not to under the circumstances.
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I must admit, for anyone doubting Kenny and his ability to withstand the pressures of the job, it's at the very least a good sign that he actually want it. I'd be a lot more worried if I felt he was taking it out of obligation.
 
Ha ha! You could buy some old videos I suppose Squiggles! But with a manager who knows what he is doing, it's still possible for us to win the title, especially when the existing owners finally sell out.

One thing is for sure, we aren't going to win any titles by firing up the Quattro and going back in time 20 years!!

🙂
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=40476.msg1116803#msg1116803 date=1276125314]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40476.msg1116754#msg1116754 date=1276122296]
Jesus... if Paul's right and his dad really does want the job that much, I guess we should give it to him. It would be disrespectful not to under the circumstances.
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I must admit, for anyone doubting Kenny and his ability to withstand the pressures of the job, it's at the very least a good sign that he actually want it. I'd be a lot more worried if I felt he was taking it out of obligation.
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Yeah, that is a big factor. I had my doubts about his motivation before now.
 
Look , I don't think it's a good idea, but as I have said before, I think whoever comes in has to make a better hand of it and that includes Kenny. If he really wants iT that badly and has good people round him so be it, whoever comes in, be it Hodgson or Dalglish, they have my complete and utter support, (unless it's Martin O'fucking Niel), just like Rafa did , until he started getting it wrong, and the same with them.
I just wonder how the politics of all this could work, and what Yanks spin on it would be, if Rafa could whip people up, Kenny could be much more dangerous to them, he could even have me marching behind a Yanks Out banner 😉

(unless he really is in cahoots with a spinning snake of course)


regards
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40476.msg1116817#msg1116817 date=1276126128]
'the spinning snake' lol

a classic.
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This is what Rebel was talking about:

www.meatspin.com
 
Liverpool FC snub Kenny Dalglish over manager’s job

Jun 10 2010 by Ian Doyle, Daily Post
Kenny Dalglish

Kenny Dalglish

LIVERPOOL FC will press ahead with their plans to speak with Roy Hodgson over the vacant manager’s role – despite Kenny Dalglish declaring his interest in the position.

The Anfield hierarchy have targeted Fulham manager Hodgson as their preferred choice to succeed Rafa Benitez, who departed last Thursday after almost six years in charge.

Liverpool still intend to approach the Craven Cottage outfit later this week with a view to being given permission to talk with Hodgson, and are prepared to offer the 62-year-old a rolling 12-month contract.

Although aware of Dalglish’s stance, the club were nevertheless surprised with his decision to go public with his desire to once again take on the role of manager that he

held between 1985 and 1991.

The Anfield legend has been employed in an ambassadorial capacity at the club for the past year and was thought to be advising managing Christian Purslow in determining Benitez’s successor.

But now Dalglish wants to be taken into consideration for the position and as such will no longer play any part in the selection process.

Hodgson, though, remains the first choice with the club seeking a steady pair of hands to stabilise matters following the tumultuous conclusion to Benitez’s reign.

Benitez will be confirmed as Inter Milan manager in the coming days after agreeing a three-year deal with the Serie A side.

The Spaniard is expected to take a number of his backroom staff from Anfield with him to the San Siro, and reports in Italy suggest he will also attempt to sign some of his former players.

Chief among them is Glen Johnson, with it being claimed the right-back is among Benitez’s list of wanted players as he aims to replicate Jose Mourinho’s feat of winning the treble of Italian league, cup and Champions League.

Meanwhile, Fernando Torres has hailed a “perfect†comeback after making his return to action after almost two months on the sidelines.

Torres made his first appearance since undergoing surgery in April as a goalscoring second-half substitute in Spain’s 6-0 friendly demolition of Poland on Tuesday night

And now the 25-year-old is hopeful of being involved when Spain begin their World Cup campaign against Switzerland in Durban next Wednesday.

“I am very happy because now it is nearly two months after the surgery and I haven’t noticed any problems,†said Torres.

“It was a very important day to me because to play in the World Cup is most important.

“The minutes I played were useful to gain rhythm and to confirm that my knee is good.

“It was perfect, and to get a goal as well, I’m very happy.â€

European Championship winners Spain are among the favourites to lift the World Cup in South Africa, but Torres has warned an arduous adventure awaits.

“We have recuperated and our timing is there on the field,†said the Liverpool forward. “ut the World Cup is very long and it will not be easy.â€
 
Yep they what to make sure they get transfer requests in from Torres and Gerrard.

They realise theres a chance Kenny might convince them to stay.
 
As said in another articel, there isn't any bad blood between the board and Kenny, and he should stay in a type director of football role if Roy is appointed imho.
Thats a more suited role for him.

Stevie and Torres staying isn't down to wheter or not Kenny or Roy is appointed as our new manager.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40476.msg1116825#msg1116825 date=1276127127]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40476.msg1116817#msg1116817 date=1276126128]
'the spinning snake' lol

a classic.
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This is what Rebel was talking about:

www.meatspin.com
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Don't open this link in an internet cafe folks.

It's not easily explained.
 
Without wading throught the whole thread again I cannot recall reading a comprehensive argument why Kenny should not be manager again. The majority of peoples opinions both for and against his appointment seems largely based on sentiment.

Now if there was a choice of appointing a Morinho, Lippi or Capello appointment then I don't think that Kenny would get a look in with most posters but the opposition is the safe pair of hands that is Roy Hodgson.

As manger of the team I don't think there is a lot in between the two of them. There are doubts over both their abilities to get the best out of the current squad and take it forward. Neither has a record that makes a compelling case for their appointment above the other. They both in my book would make a decent job of team manager.

However, during this turbulent time in our history, Kenny would make a fantastic choice as a club manager who is the figure head and the driver of the clubs future. There would be a great confidence that he would be at all times acting solely and entirely acting in the better interests of LFC. He would provide a great foil to all the people in positions of authority within the club, who seem to have personal gain and ambition as their main motivation.

I have said it before and I will say it again, the time is right for the return of the king.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40476.msg1116832#msg1116832 date=1276127734]
LIVERPOOL FC will press ahead with their plans to speak with Roy Hodgson over the vacant manager’s role – despite Kenny Dalglish declaring his interest in the position.
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I think that's a mistake. I think Kenny would be ideal as a temp appointment, go back to old school Liverpool for a bit, steady the ship. It'll be embarrassing to watch us sack another manager within a year, cos Hodgson will get sacked when the new owners come in. Foreign owners will want a big International name.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40476.msg1116971#msg1116971 date=1276163151]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40476.msg1116832#msg1116832 date=1276127734]
LIVERPOOL FC will press ahead with their plans to speak with Roy Hodgson over the vacant manager’s role – despite Kenny Dalglish declaring his interest in the position.
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I think that's a mistake. I think Kenny would be ideal as a temp appointment, go back to old school Liverpool for a bit, steady the ship. It'll be embarrassing to watch us sack another manager within a year, cos Hodgson will get sacked when the new owners come in. Foreign owners will want a big International name.
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Which is a pretty big assumption.

The owners of City stood by Hughes for longer than many expected, and it looks as if Mancini's getting another year too. We don't know if new owners are on the horizon, or their wishes. Which is why we need to act in the best interests of the club now.

The first argument for selecting Dalglish over Hodgson was an issue over contracts - which has been torn apart because, like I said, we'll only be offering him a short term deal. Now this is seen as 'embarrassing if this doesn't work out'.

Why? It's no less embarrassing than Kenny being replaced later down the line. Both will be proper managers making proper decisions. Let's all stop hiding behind this interim, caretaker bollocks, because Dalglish will be judged just like any other, and rightly so.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40476.msg1116979#msg1116979 date=1276163651]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40476.msg1116971#msg1116971 date=1276163151]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40476.msg1116832#msg1116832 date=1276127734]
LIVERPOOL FC will press ahead with their plans to speak with Roy Hodgson over the vacant manager’s role – despite Kenny Dalglish declaring his interest in the position.
[/quote]

I think that's a mistake. I think Kenny would be ideal as a temp appointment, go back to old school Liverpool for a bit, steady the ship. It'll be embarrassing to watch us sack another manager within a year, cos Hodgson will get sacked when the new owners come in. Foreign owners will want a big International name.
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Which is a pretty big assumption.

The owners of City stood by Hughes for longer than many expected, and it looks as if Mancini's getting another year too. We don't know if new owners are on the horizon, or their wishes. Which is why we need to act in the best interests of the club now.

The first argument for selecting Dalglish over Hodgson was an issue over contracts - which has been torn apart because, like I said, we'll only be offering him a short term deal. Now this is seen as 'embarrassing if this doesn't work out'.

Why? It's no less embarrassing than Kenny being replaced later down the line. Both will be proper managers making proper decisions. Let's all stop hiding behind this interim, caretaker bollocks, because Dalglish will be judged just like any other, and rightly so.
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I think it would be embarrassing to the club to be sacking two managers within a year, I know there's probably no such thing left as 'the Liverpool way' at this point, but still. From my understanding, and of course based on a lot of assumptions, as all of our posts are. Kenny would have been appointed on a temp basis, so he wouldn't have been sacked. Why would Hodsgon leave a perfectly good job to do a job on a temp basis?

And I am assuming things about the potential new owners, yes. But I'll stick my neck out and say Middle or Far Eastern owners will want a big International name, of course I could be wrong.
 
Despite being a fan of Roy, he would be pretty lucky to have the chance to manage us whatever the situation. He's smart enough to recognise this and will want one last shot at a big club.

If he comes in and gets the team performing well then they're not going to replace him.

How can you advocate Dalglish to manage us when the principle reason for his appointment is that it's less "embarrassing" to replace him down the line. It's hardly a ringing endorsement.
 
Squiggs, my point is there's nothing embarrassing about appointing a temporary manager, and then moving his on after what was clearly identified as a temp arrangement, it would be embarrassing to sack two managers in one year, which I believe is what would happen if we appointed Hodgson as I don't think he'd be appointed on a temp basis.
 
A 12 month rolling contract, or 24 month contract is hardly gong to prove a barrier if we did get rid of Roy.

I think the whole 'interim', 'caretaker' stuff will soon wear thin when we start losing a few games.

I'm all for someone believing Dalglish would do a better job than Hodgson from a footballing perspective - but lets not hide behind the terms 'interim' and 'caretaker' manager. Whoever we hire, we should expect and hope that do a good job for more than 12 months and thus be accountable for it.

Otherwise we're just expecting failure.
 
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