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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-Ivanovic.html

Suárez is deeply upset at the severity of the ban issued by an independent regulatory commission on behalf of the Football Association.

Liverpool are awaiting the written reasons explaining why seven games were added to a mandatory three-game ban for violent conduct.

Suárez has until noon on Friday to decide whether to appeal, but that risks the suspension being extended.

Ultimately, it will be left to the player to make that call, but the South American is known to feel strongly that he has been too harshly penalised for his offence, particularly as he swiftly admitted his guilt.

Liverpool now face a decisive few weeks where they must try to convince Suárez, enraged by his treatment by the authorities, not to quit Anfield. However, even if he did move abroad, the FA would seek to have his ban applied in any league overseas.

He will not only miss the final four games of this season, but the next six of the 2013-14 campaign.

Confirming the 10-game ban, an FA statement said: “Luis Suárez has been suspended for a total of 10 matches after an Independent Regulatory Commission today ruled on a charge of violent conduct.

“A three-person independent regulatory commission upheld the FA’s claim that a suspension of three matches was clearly insufficient and the player will serve a further seven first-team matches in addition to the standard three. The suspension begins with immediate effect.

“The Liverpool forward had accepted a charge of violent conduct but had denied the FA’s claim that the standard three-match sanction was insufficient for the offence. The incident was not seen by the match officials and has therefore been retrospectively reviewed. Suárez has until midday on Friday 26 April to appeal the additional suspension, above the standard three matches.”

Liverpool responded to express their concerns about the verdict. Managing director Ian Ayre said: “Both the club and player are shocked and disappointed at the severity of the independent regulatory commission decision. We await the written reasons before making any further comment.”

Liverpool knew Suárez was likely to face more than the standard three games but had hoped the FA would prioritise rehabilitation of the player. They cited previous incidents where players were involved in arguably much more dangerous conduct but escaped censure or suspension.

The case involving Jermain Defoe and Javier Mascherano in 2006 has become a particular source of contention, Liverpool perplexed as to how the Tottenham Hotspur player escaped with just a yellow card for biting an opponent during a Premier League fixture.

Although the FA says the disciplinary procedures have significantly changed in the seven years since, Liverpool cannot understand how such a vast difference in approach between now and then is considered fair and just.

Liverpool believe there have been successful moves to make an example of Suárez based for the large part on his identity. His past is certainly a factor.

The warnings of a hefty ban were clear earlier in the week when the FA made it known Suárez’s other brushes with authority in this country would influence the length of the ban.

The written adjudication is expected to make reference to his previous misdemeanours and warnings of future conduct that followed last season’s Patrice Evra dispute when Suárez was found guilty of using racially motivated language against the Manchester United defender.

Whether an appeal has any chance of success is debatable given the hardline approach of the FA and the regulatory panel. Liverpool’s primary concern, however, is to consider the immediate and long-term impact on their player and what it means for his future on Merseyside.

In the emotional aftermath of the FA statement, the signals were not promising for Liverpool fans desperate to see the 26-year-old remain at the club.

Liverpool will hope Suárez will appreciate the backing of his manager, Brendan Rodgers, who will face the media this afternoon and is expected to express his own concerns about the extreme reprimand.

Rodgers is determined to offer all the support the player requires to overcome the latest serious setback to his career and image outside of Merseyside. Rival clubs, however, are ready to pounce.

Atlético Madrid, in search of a replacement for striker Radamel Falcao, have been immediately linked with a summer bid for a player valued in excess of £50 million. Bayern Munich and Juventus are also admirers of the Uruguayan, while it is believed Suárez has held long-term ambitions to play for either Real Madrid or Barcelona.

Liverpool would resist any bids for Suárez from opportunistic suitors, but ultimately realise it is the state of mind of the player that will determine if he can remain at Anfield.
 
Ryan sounded a bit Boris Johnson there. 'Always the victim'.

First thing I thought, typically quiffed and ignorant of what many of us have stressed clearly throughout.

"Always the victim", do me a favour, read the fucking thread instead going off an a predictable "detached perspective makes me see things more clearly" bout of condescension. Like I said earlier, the only thing more annoying than the disproportionate ban is our own fans telling us how paranoid we are.

That paranoid we called the overreaction at about 6pm on Sunday. And low & behold...
 
Wondered how long it would be for the "Surely he must leave the country now" articles to come out. Obviously not very and how predictable.

If he does so be it, we'll move on. I'll miss watching him play in a red shirt which always outweighs the looney moments. I'm sure Demento, Gill and their cohorts will sip a nice single malt together round an open fire in smug satisfaction at his departure.
 
I love how the papers know that 'he's enraged' & is considering his future.

I doubt anyone but his wife has any true idea about his thoughts.
 
Thing is though the last time it happened he DID leave the country. That was for a seven game ban and the media hated him at the time.

This was when WE bought him.

He is nuts and I love him.
 
why should past issues that he's already been punished for influence the length of the ban? By that reckoning, when Ferdinand got his piss taking recent fine for a racist slur on twitter, they should have accounted for his ban for missing a drug test, or his 8+ driving bans, or his involvement in a sex tape, or being an accomplice to a rapist, no? Or when the FA got Rooney's ban quashed, were they considering his tarnished disciplinary record? Course they weren't.
 
why should past issues that he's already been punished for influence the length of the ban? By that reckoning, when Ferdinand got his piss taking recent fine for a racist slur on twitter, they should have accounted for his ban for missing a drug test, or his 8+ driving bans, or his involvement in a sex tape, or being an accomplice to a rapist, no? Or when the FA got Rooney's ban quashed, were they considering his tarnished disciplinary record? Course they weren't.

Exactly this Mark. Expect @Rosco to come up with a reason why you're mental and stupid to express the opinion though.
 
I think the ban is on the long side of what you'd expect, but I don't think its a massive piss take.

He fucking bit someone. That's just weird. If you didn't give him a decent ban now you'd expect him to shove a couple of fingers up someone's arse next or something.
 
I don't think Ryan has said anything controversial.

You could argue that the punishment is harsh, but then, we knew it would be harsh. Suarez and the club must have known it would be harsh, otherwise, they've all got their heads in the sand. The FA made an example of him just four months ago. He was very much on probation, and yet he decided to bite another player without provocation. Of course, we can all dispute the racism charges, but having been charged, it was blindingly obvious that any subsequent offences (particularly so soon after the first) would be treated more severely. Seriously, why is anyone surprised at the length of the ban?

As for people condemning his actions - you can't say "Yes, that's terrible behaviour, BUT [whinge whinge] ... victim ... [whinge whinge] ... dangerous tackles ... [whinge whinge] ... harshly treated" and expect to be taken seriously. Actions speak louder than words. It was an abhorrent and idiotic thing to do, and now Suarez and the club have to face the music.

The only way we as a club can avoid lengthy bans for our players is by ensuring they don't make examples of themselves. And the only way we can maintain our dignity through this affair is by condemning Suarez' behaviour (and not just with a media statement), accepting the punishment, and making damn sure that Suarez understands what's expected of him while he's playing for this football club.
 
I don't think Ryan has said anything controversial.

You could argue that the punishment is harsh, but then, we knew it would be harsh. Suarez and the club must have known it would be harsh, otherwise, they've all got their heads in the sand. The FA made an example of him just four months ago. He was very much on probation, and yet he decided to bite another player without provocation. Of course, we can all dispute the racism charges, but having been charged, it was blindingly obvious that any subsequent offences (particularly so soon after the first) would be treated more severely. Seriously, why is anyone surprised at the length of the ban?

As for people condemning his actions - you can't say "Yes, that's terrible behaviour, BUT [whinge whinge] ... victim ... [whinge whinge] ... dangerous tackles ... [whinge whinge] ... harshly treated" and expect to be taken seriously. Actions speak louder than words. It was an abhorrent and idiotic thing to do, and now Suarez and the club have to face the music.

The only way we as a club can avoid lengthy bans for our players is by ensuring they don't make examples of themselves. And the only way we can maintain our dignity through this affair is by condemning Suarez' behaviour (and not just with a media statement), accepting the punishment, and making damn sure that Suarez understands what's expected of him while he's playing for this football club.

Knowing it would be harsh doesn't mean it was justified, and people are surprised because the most anyone - including the media, who gleefully joined in the hue and cry to begin with - was expecting was 8 weeks. Of course it's true that Suarez, like every other player who deservedly cops a ban, is responsible for his own actions, but the proportionality (or, more to the point, the lack of it) of the punishment doled out for those actions is a perfectly valid matter to debate as well. The "either/or" which you and one or two others are trying to set up here is baseless.
 
So you're now being selective about what's been considered in other rulings where past incidents blatantly weren't referenced? Do fuck off.

I'm not, I'm asking for evidence that it wasn't. I don;t know anything about what happened in those incidents.
 
This 10-match ban could turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Suarez has missed few games this season and he always gives us the full 90 minutes of non-stop running, which is one of the reasons we love him. He could do with a bloody good rest.

Although I am deeply suspicious of the FA's disciplinary procedures, I think an appeal could get the sentence reduced to 8 games. The FA has achieved the impact it was hoping for with the 10-match ban. I don't think it would be much skin off their nose to reduce it a bit, as a result of a well-presented case for mercy.
 
Knowing it would be harsh doesn't mean it was justified, and people are surprised because the most anyone - including the media, who gleefully joined in the hue and cry to begin with - was expecting was 8 weeks. Of course it's true that Suarez, like every other player who deservedly cops a ban, is responsible for his own actions, but the proportionality (or, more to the point, the lack of it) of the punishment doled out for those actions is a perfectly valid matter to debate as well. The "either/or" which you and one or two others are trying to set up here is baseless.

Any apology suffixed with "BUT" seems empty, and that's the way it'll come across to everyone else, regardless of how relevant we think it is. The club were made to look foolish over the whole racism affair, and I fear the same will happen again if we bang the "harshly treated" drum. We might get a couple of games knocked off his ban, but equally, they might extend it. We're not in a position to take the moral high ground, because the player in question BIT someone. Even if the FA do have it in for us, they can't punish our players if they don't behave like bellends.
 
Del: that last bit of course is true, no question, and TBH (livid though I am over the whole thing) I'd be hesitant about appealing because of the strong possibility that it could make things even worse. We'll have to agree to disagree over the "but" bit though. I've been surprised by the support there's been, and whom it's come from, for the view that the ban is undeservedly draconian.
 
Del: that last bit of course is true, no question, and TBH (livid though I am over the whole thing) I'd be hesitant about appealing because of the strong possibility that it could make things even worse. We'll have to agree to disagree over the "but" bit though. I've been surprised by the support there's been, and whom it's come from, for the view that the ban is undeservedly draconian.
Draconian is the right word. It is needlessly OTT. But its also fairly justifiable given the players history.
 
I'll indulge you. @mark1975 has already posted the list of misdemeanours relating to Rio Ferdinand prior to his being fined for his latest issue. The punishment would appear not to have taken that into account. Comments?

'Would appear'

How do you know they weren't? Are they all relevant?
 
'Would appear'

How do you know they weren't? Are they all relevant?

Is there a reason you're being so obtuse?

Are they all relevant? What in that they all relate to the same player? Yes, yes they are. But an argument can be put forward that some are not related to what goes on, on the pitch.

The answer is, there's too much grey in this whole sorry debacle.
 
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