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Keep Suarez?

Sell?

  • YES

    Votes: 19 12.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 135 87.7%

  • Total voters
    154
Typical bluenose response. I just got forwarded this so dunno if it's real.

If it is I expect him to be in some shit.
 

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No, Del, I would not. For one thing I really don't think the "premeditated" point stands at all - tackles like the most recent ones I've referred to are at least as premeditated as Suarez' actions at the weekend. For another - and this is the crucial point as far as I'm concerned - what Suarez did was nowhere near as dangerous. It's more unusual, but so what? AFAIC the more dangerous act is the one which deserves the greater disapproval, period. Otherwise you're treating the less dangerous act as the more heinous one merely because it's seen less often and that, to me, is indefensibly shallow.

You started off by saying you weren't comparing incidents. Now that's all you're doing.

What's more, I can't tell whether you're missing the point or just deliberately ignoring it. The "danger" parameters you've introduced seem like a convenient way of explaining away appalling behaviour to me. Perhaps we can look forward to footballers biting, spitting, and defecating on opponents, safe in the knowledge that they're not endangering them in any way. Presumably none are as bad as a potentially harmful mistimed tackle.

Anyway, I'm finding all of these attempts to brush biting under the carpet a bit embarrassing, so you'll forgive me if I bow out now. Clearly I'm in the minority with regards to biting. I do hope we show the same support to Flanagan should he ever become embroiled in a biting scandal.
 
Typical bluenose response. I just got forwarded this so dunno if it's real.

If it is I expect him to be in some shit.


It seems unlikely:

His twitter description makes it clear it's a parody.




Proper Scouse-Nigerian. I can bench press Sylvain Distin. MAGAYE IS GAY. Am I a parody? You decide ye divvies.
Proper Scouse-Nigerian. I can bench press Sylvain Distin. MAGAYE IS GAY. Am I a parody? You decide ye divvies.
 
You started off by saying you weren't comparing incidents. Now that's all you're doing.

What's more, I can't tell whether you're missing the point or just deliberately ignoring it. The "danger" parameters you've introduced seem like a convenient way of explaining away appalling behaviour to me. Perhaps we can look forward to footballers biting, spitting, and defecating on opponents, safe in the knowledge that they're not endangering them in any way. Presumably none are as bad as a potentially harmful mistimed tackle.

Anyway, I'm finding all of these attempts to brush biting under the carpet a bit embarrassing, so you'll forgive me if I bow out now. Clearly I'm in the minority with regards to biting. I do hope we show the same support to Flanagan should he ever become embroiled in a biting scandal.

Without getting in an argument with you, how exactly do you feel you are in a minority as regards to biting? Has somebody condoned it?. Certainly some ( not me) have made comparisons to other types of offences but I would say there has been a very high %age condemnation on here of the incident
 
Typical bluenose response. I just got forwarded this so dunno if it's real.

If it is I expect him to be in some shit.

It's a blag account. Just some sweaty bitter prick who's "scouse as fuck".

On that topic, I was buzzing off the fact it was bitter fans who complained to the police. They're fucking retards. I reckon you could take a leaf out of their sad arse book and ring the authorities to complain Everton have a four times convicted violent criminal working with kids. Goes by the name of Duncan Ferguson.
 
You started off by saying you weren't comparing incidents. Now that's all you're doing.

What's more, I can't tell whether you're missing the point or just deliberately ignoring it. The "danger" parameters you've introduced seem like a convenient way of explaining away appalling behaviour to me. Perhaps we can look forward to footballers biting, spitting, and defecating on opponents, safe in the knowledge that they're not endangering them in any way. Presumably none are as bad as a potentially harmful mistimed tackle.

Anyway, I'm finding all of these attempts to brush biting under the carpet a bit embarrassing, so you'll forgive me if I bow out now. Clearly I'm in the minority with regards to biting. I do hope we show the same support to Flanagan should he ever become embroiled in a biting scandal.

I don't think JJ is brushing the biting under the carpet. he said it was ugly.
As for Flanagan - would you be as worried of a Flanagan injury which would keep him out for the season (not that I'm wishing him such a thing!) as you would be if Gerrard had one?
 
I'm not winding anyone up, instead of moaning about the FA and how bad they are people should be considering why he keeps ending up in front of them

So moaning about the consistency of the FA is not valid? The FA who allowed a career threatening challenge from McManaman go unpunished.

The same FA who's ex head says there is no precedent to this issue? Apart from Defoe getting booked for the same thing against Mascherano. I have an issue with Suarez doing these things, but lets get the punishment to fit the crime eh?

Career ending tackle? No ban

Bite that doesn't make a mark on the player? The current penalty for violent conduct is clearly insufficient.

Give it a rest Ross, its fucking boring and if you really dislike as much about this club, within its support, players and hierarchy, then perhaps a change of mind on your part is needed. I've heard the League of Ireland clubs could do with plenty of support nowadays....
 
Today's Daily Mail (I didn't buy it before anyone asks!) stated that Liverpool had handled this all wrong. WTF? So we got it wrong last time over Suarez when we showed a united front and now we're wrong because we've taken positive action. They suggest we sell him.

Fuck you Daily Mail, fuck you Paul Dacre. This is why we feel persecuted, I mean the whole Defoe incident is so clear in my mind still because of the massive furore over it which included comments from the then Labour prime minister... oh
 
Without getting in an argument with you, how exactly do you feel you are in a minority as regards to biting? Has somebody condoned it?. Certainly some ( not me) have made comparisons to other types of offences but I would say there has been a very high %age condemnation on here of the incident

I mean that I clearly think it's worse than many people seem to on here, and much harder to justify than a mistimed tackle. Although I certainly wouldn't describe the general reaction on here as one of "condemnation" myself. Many are trying very hard to trivialise it.
 
I mean that I clearly think it's worse than many people seem to on here, and much harder to justify than a mistimed tackle. Although I certainly wouldn't describe the general reaction on here as one of "condemnation" myself. Many are trying very hard to trivialise it.
Obviously its worse than an accidental challenge, but I think the point folks are making is - is it worse than a premeditated tackle carried out with a specific aim to impart injury on the other player?
 
I mean that I clearly think it's worse than many people seem to on here, and much harder to justify than a mistimed tackle. Although I certainly wouldn't describe the general reaction on here as one of "condemnation" myself. Many are trying very hard to trivialise it.

Biting is definitely harder to justify than a mistimed tackle but is biting more terrible than throwing a punch or deliberately elbowing someone in the face?
 
I mean that I clearly think it's worse than many people seem to on here, and much harder to justify than a mistimed tackle. Although I certainly wouldn't describe the general reaction on here as one of "condemnation" myself. Many are trying very hard to trivialise it.

I think it's a natural reaction to the inevitable overreaction in the press, not that it doesn't deserve widespread scrutiny and condemnation, but he'll get that and then some, and some of the hypocrisy in certain quarters of the media and the game is laughable and predictable.

He's been an idiot, he's getting a ban, he's getting a fine & he'll be the talk of the tabloids for a few weeks and then they'll throw together every story they can in the Summer to try to force the issue of him going. I don't want him to go, that doesn't mean I don't care about what he's done or think it's justifiable, of course it's not, the guy's got serious issues and in many respects will cost us points, but he'll get us more with than without him. He needs to think of the club and stop with the stupidity and rash, spare of the moment reactions within games - and the inevitable press attraction.

The main reason I'll stand with him in the longhaul is that he's a fucking AMAZING player, he deserves the punishment, but he's a fantastic footballer, an enigma with the typical elements of madness and genius, but more importantly, from the minute Fergie held Evra's hand all the way to the ref's office and the FA, it's a fight worth fighting because I will never in a million years want to see us concede defeat the to that hypocritical twat, they might be winning it on the pitch, but for a side that's littered with it's own past demons, I'm fucked if I'm gonna see that old piss smelling grandad grinning the day Suarez departs.
 
You started off by saying you weren't comparing incidents. Now that's all you're doing.

What's more, I can't tell whether you're missing the point or just deliberately ignoring it. The "danger" parameters you've introduced seem like a convenient way of explaining away appalling behaviour to me. Perhaps we can look forward to footballers biting, spitting, and defecating on opponents, safe in the knowledge that they're not endangering them in any way. Presumably none are as bad as a potentially harmful mistimed tackle.

Anyway, I'm finding all of these attempts to brush biting under the carpet a bit embarrassing, so you'll forgive me if I bow out now. Clearly I'm in the minority with regards to biting. I do hope we show the same support to Flanagan should he ever become embroiled in a biting scandal.

I made it perfectly clear that I was comparing NOT the incidents themselves but the responses to them, and I can't help how the "danger parameters" seem to you. They've been the crux of the matter to me from day one and I absolutely stand by them now. At the same time I've called Suarez' actions "stupid" and "nasty" among other things. Some carpet, some brush.
 
I mean that I clearly think it's worse than many people seem to on here, and much harder to justify than a mistimed tackle. Although I certainly wouldn't describe the general reaction on here as one of "condemnation" myself. Many are trying very hard to trivialise it.

Del, what he did was totally wrong, but I for one, would like the punishment to fit the crime. The furore on here from some on Sunday and subsequently the media just seems so OTT.

I'm gobsmacked by it to be honest. He should be punished but by a 4 game ban or more? Really?
 
Typical bluenose response. I just got forwarded this so dunno if it's real.

If it is I expect him to be in some shit.

You expect him to be in some big shit? Do you reckon the PM will discuss it? Or perhaps some of the national news stations can run it as breaking news as opposed to an earthquake on the other side of the world.

Oh hang on a minute, what was I thinking, its not Luis Suarez!!!!

Please understand my tongue was fully in my cheek as I typed that post!!!
 
I have found the winner, I'm lost for words.

A short prison sentence for criminal assault?

See next week's edition as Jeff campaigns for Calum McManaman to be surgically amputated, then made to walk around forever with a sandwich board saying "thug" around his neck.
 
That daily mail article is unbelievable.

'his cannibalisation' really. He ate someone? Riiighhhtt.

Fuck me that article is complete shite.

That's it though Jon, its not. This is the type of hysterical bullshit we've dealt with for years.

I'm not surprised in the slightest and Jeff Powell is cunt of the highest order and has been for years. That little group of "journalists" that he sits in along with Martin Samuel, Harry Harris and various other alcohol drenched weasels have been pouring shame on their profession for years.

Hang on a minute, who'd have thought it, I'm writing like an hysterical chief sports writer who thinks he's the gospel of integrity in sport. 😉
 
Perhaps we've all been looking at this all wrong.

It wouldn't be so wrong to suggest that this biting incident could be a blessing in disguise. We've got one of the very best footballers on the planet, putting in mesmeric performances and running himself into the ground every week for a club that's been struggling in mid-table for most of the year, looking up at the likes of West Brom and Everton. Naturally he's a prime target to move to the presently more elite clubs - Barca, City, United, Bayern, Madrid, etc. Rumours were strong with Bayern earlier on in the season. Could this be enough to warn them off? Not just for this summer, but the next also.

In an age where the club has little say over whether a player stays or goes, this biting incident might just secure the future of Luis Suarez to Liverpool Football club.

And that's no bad thing.
 
These 'old hand' journalists have waited a very long time to do a hatchet job on the club and we've given them all the ammo they need. They're going to keep swinging.

Only wins and trophies will shut them up.
 
Well hopefully this will work as in an incentive to the rest of the squad, to prove that we're not just reliant on Suarez and that we can do it without him, at least in the short term. Too many of them have been hiding in the shadows anyway. It's about time a few other players took responsibility.
 
Have the twelve people that voted sell shown themselves yet? Not that I would want this to turn into a witch hunt (which obviously means I do 🙄 )

regards
 
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