Juan Manuel Mata
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for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
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ok , i can't admit to having seen him week in , week out for years now but I've seen him a hell of a lot and yes sometimes he looks good but lots of other times he's looked shite. Is Downing better ? probably not, but we ( kenolli ) wanted a crossing winger and well I don't think mata plays wide as often as people think. And ok he was decent at the u21s but i means he's already 23 and capped with the full team , he should have stood out . And actually he doesn't even have that many full caps .
Look , again I'm not saying Downing is better or that i wouldn't like Mata in our team but I just think that too many people hear a name on the net or in a paper and are convinced he's the answer when they've never really seen him . Like Aguero , everyone keeps banging on how he's a creative number 10 when he's not and plays alot more like a Romario type player . Or Podolski ! ok he does play well with the national team but i've seen the lad live 10 times or more and every time he was a joke , there's a reason why he plays for Koln , a mid table bundesliga team .
Look , again I'm not saying Downing is better or that i wouldn't like Mata in our team but I just think that too many people hear a name on the net or in a paper and are convinced he's the answer when they've never really seen him . Like Aguero , everyone keeps banging on how he's a creative number 10 when he's not and plays alot more like a Romario type player . Or Podolski ! ok he does play well with the national team but i've seen the lad live 10 times or more and every time he was a joke , there's a reason why he plays for Koln , a mid table bundesliga team .
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45743.msg1371188#msg1371188 date=1311839938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
That's rather obvious no? Glock's opinions is respected worldwide, and he didn't rate him. So we managed to get him. Glock rates Mata, so no chance.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
That's rather obvious no? Glock's opinions is respected worldwide, and he didn't rate him. So we managed to get him. Glock rates Mata, so no chance.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45743.msg1371188#msg1371188 date=1311839938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
an exception rather than rule. do you think torres would have come here with no CL?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
an exception rather than rule. do you think torres would have come here with no CL?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371192#msg1371192 date=1311840121]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45743.msg1371188#msg1371188 date=1311839938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
an exception rather than rule. do you think Torres would have come here with no CL?
[/quote]
Didn't think you'd be able to.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45743.msg1371188#msg1371188 date=1311839938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
an exception rather than rule. do you think Torres would have come here with no CL?
[/quote]
Didn't think you'd be able to.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45743.msg1371188#msg1371188 date=1311839938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]And Raul Meireles.
And Joe Cole.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]And Raul Meireles.
And Joe Cole.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45743.msg1371188#msg1371188 date=1311839938]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
Perhaps like Downing he actually wanted to play for Liverpool.
Neil's point is valid. If a player want to play CL football next season then we find ourselves at a slight disadvantage.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Explain how we attracted Luis Suarez to come here then? Ta.
[/quote]
Perhaps like Downing he actually wanted to play for Liverpool.
Neil's point is valid. If a player want to play CL football next season then we find ourselves at a slight disadvantage.
downing v mata
maybe simply (and I know this is going to sound crazy but bear with me) maybe downing wanted to come to liverpool and mata did not. I know, crazy.
maybe simply (and I know this is going to sound crazy but bear with me) maybe downing wanted to come to liverpool and mata did not. I know, crazy.
Anyone who thinks it's a given we can compete every time with teams in the CL is seriously deluded. No one knows whether we've been in for these players, we might have been and we might have been rebuffed. Who knows? Suarez is the exception rather than the rule, it's also worth noting that when Luis agreed to come to us, we had Torres.
Besides, it's just one of dozens of articles about Mata this Summer.
Besides, it's just one of dozens of articles about Mata this Summer.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
Who cares. We've got Downing now and we arent going to sign Mata.
If we can shed Cole, Aquilani, Jovanovic et al then we should still get one or two more in (defensive positions) and maybe a suprise bargain player like Diego or something.
We all need to move the fuck on from Neymar, Mata, Aguero etc as they were never likely to happen and are even less likely now weve spent 100m on Adam, Downing, Henderson, Doni, Suarez and Carroll since January.
If we can shed Cole, Aquilani, Jovanovic et al then we should still get one or two more in (defensive positions) and maybe a suprise bargain player like Diego or something.
We all need to move the fuck on from Neymar, Mata, Aguero etc as they were never likely to happen and are even less likely now weve spent 100m on Adam, Downing, Henderson, Doni, Suarez and Carroll since January.
[quote author=rubans link=topic=45743.msg1371210#msg1371210 date=1311841656]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Who said we didnt try?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Who said we didnt try?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45743.msg1371206#msg1371206 date=1311841442]
Anyone who thinks it's a given we can compete every time with teams in the CL is seriously deluded. No one knows whether we've been in for these players, we might have been and we might have been rebuffed. Who knows? Suarez is the exception rather than the rule, it's also worth noting that when Luis agreed to come to us, we had Torres.
Besides, it's just one of dozens of articles about Mata this Summer.
[/quote]
I think the story has legs, I always thought mata would go to arsenal (yes, because they have CL football).
Anyone who thinks it's a given we can compete every time with teams in the CL is seriously deluded. No one knows whether we've been in for these players, we might have been and we might have been rebuffed. Who knows? Suarez is the exception rather than the rule, it's also worth noting that when Luis agreed to come to us, we had Torres.
Besides, it's just one of dozens of articles about Mata this Summer.
[/quote]
I think the story has legs, I always thought mata would go to arsenal (yes, because they have CL football).
[quote author=rubans link=topic=45743.msg1371210#msg1371210 date=1311841656]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Is it really that hard to fathom? Who says we haven't tried? Besides the players we've signed, do you really think we've not been in for anyone else and been knocked back for whatever reason, either by the club or the player?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Is it really that hard to fathom? Who says we haven't tried? Besides the players we've signed, do you really think we've not been in for anyone else and been knocked back for whatever reason, either by the club or the player?
Funny how no one bothered to say fuck all about Arsenal being linked with Downing, it just gets dismissed, like the dozens of links we've had to Mata this Summer. Yet now Arsenal are being linked with Mata (again), it's our fuck up and we haven't even tried. No one knows shit.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45743.msg1371222#msg1371222 date=1311842642]
Funny how no one bothered to say fuck all about Arsenal being linked with Downing, it just gets dismissed, like the dozens of links we've had to Mata this Summer. Yet now Arsenal are being linked with Mata (again), it's our fuck up and we haven't even tried. No one knows shit.
[/quote]Chill out Mark. They'll get who they get, we get who we gets and then after 38 games we'll hold up the trophy and Mata will be the big loser.
Funny how no one bothered to say fuck all about Arsenal being linked with Downing, it just gets dismissed, like the dozens of links we've had to Mata this Summer. Yet now Arsenal are being linked with Mata (again), it's our fuck up and we haven't even tried. No one knows shit.
[/quote]Chill out Mark. They'll get who they get, we get who we gets and then after 38 games we'll hold up the trophy and Mata will be the big loser.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371224#msg1371224 date=1311842850]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45743.msg1371222#msg1371222 date=1311842642]
Funny how no one bothered to say fuck all about Arsenal being linked with Downing, it just gets dismissed, like the dozens of links we've had to Mata this Summer. Yet now Arsenal are being linked with Mata (again), it's our fuck up and we haven't even tried. No one knows shit.
[/quote]Chill out Mark. They'll get who they get, we get who we gets and then after 38 games we'll hold up the trophy and Mata will be the big loser.
[/quote]
Chilled! Fuck Aguero and fuck Mata.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45743.msg1371222#msg1371222 date=1311842642]
Funny how no one bothered to say fuck all about Arsenal being linked with Downing, it just gets dismissed, like the dozens of links we've had to Mata this Summer. Yet now Arsenal are being linked with Mata (again), it's our fuck up and we haven't even tried. No one knows shit.
[/quote]Chill out Mark. They'll get who they get, we get who we gets and then after 38 games we'll hold up the trophy and Mata will be the big loser.
[/quote]
Chilled! Fuck Aguero and fuck Mata.
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45743.msg1371219#msg1371219 date=1311842316]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=45743.msg1371210#msg1371210 date=1311841656]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Is it really that hard to fathom? Who says we haven't tried? Besides the players we've signed, do you really think we've not been in for anyone else and been knocked back for whatever reason, either by the club or the player?
[/quote]
Yes, it is, too simple and defeatist to suggest we shouldn't be going in for players because they play for champion league clubs and the clubs involved in signing for the are champion league club.
I don't know Mark in regards to your second questions, I suggest you fwd that to the club secretary.
My point was in regards to the transfer policy, not specifically attached to Aguero and Mata but let me explicitly state my point:
If our policy is we don't go in for players who are in champions league then it's wrong.
How unambitious is that?? If we think Suarez is an exception then that's load of rubbish.
Even in this dark age soulless football players there must be few out there who can see the future liverpool offers rather than a one season of champions league football which ulimately involves them being spanked by Barca anyway.
[quote author=rubans link=topic=45743.msg1371210#msg1371210 date=1311841656]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Is it really that hard to fathom? Who says we haven't tried? Besides the players we've signed, do you really think we've not been in for anyone else and been knocked back for whatever reason, either by the club or the player?
[/quote]
Yes, it is, too simple and defeatist to suggest we shouldn't be going in for players because they play for champion league clubs and the clubs involved in signing for the are champion league club.
I don't know Mark in regards to your second questions, I suggest you fwd that to the club secretary.
My point was in regards to the transfer policy, not specifically attached to Aguero and Mata but let me explicitly state my point:
If our policy is we don't go in for players who are in champions league then it's wrong.
How unambitious is that?? If we think Suarez is an exception then that's load of rubbish.
Even in this dark age soulless football players there must be few out there who can see the future liverpool offers rather than a one season of champions league football which ulimately involves them being spanked by Barca anyway.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371239#msg1371239 date=1311843842]
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[/quote]
Only kit he will be changing is taking off his tracksuit and training top to put on his Valencia top to come off the bench for Valencia at Half time or Vice versa..
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[/quote]
Only kit he will be changing is taking off his tracksuit and training top to put on his Valencia top to come off the bench for Valencia at Half time or Vice versa..
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371239#msg1371239 date=1311843842]
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[/quote]Pity the Drogba deal inexplicably fell through.
They would have been awesome together
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[/quote]Pity the Drogba deal inexplicably fell through.
They would have been awesome together
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371246#msg1371246 date=1311844026]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371239#msg1371239 date=1311843842]
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[/quote]
Only kit he will be changing is taking of his tracksuit and training top to putt on his Valencia top to come off the bench for Valencia at Half time or Vice versa..
[/quote]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371239#msg1371239 date=1311843842]
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=45743.msg1371233#msg1371233 date=1311843616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45743.msg1371230#msg1371230 date=1311843551]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371227#msg1371227 date=1311843344]
I suspect the rumour oncy heard of mata changing kits at half time was slightly...exaggerated.
[/quote]Bet he does change kits at half time.
[/quote]
not a chance now the aqualani deal has fell throough
[/quote]I dont see the relevance.
He'll come in and change his kit at half time fo sho.
[/quote]
Only kit he will be changing is taking of his tracksuit and training top to putt on his Valencia top to come off the bench for Valencia at Half time or Vice versa..
[/quote]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=45743.msg1371228#msg1371228 date=1311843394]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45743.msg1371219#msg1371219 date=1311842316]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=45743.msg1371210#msg1371210 date=1311841656]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45743.msg1371177#msg1371177 date=1311838095]
for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
[/quote]
Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
[/quote]
Is it really that hard to fathom? Who says we haven't tried? Besides the players we've signed, do you really think we've not been in for anyone else and been knocked back for whatever reason, either by the club or the player?
[/quote]
Yes, it is, too simple and defeatist to suggest we shouldn't be going in for players because they play for champion league clubs and the clubs involved in signing for the are champion league club.
I don't know Mark in regards to your second questions, I suggest you fwd that to the club secretary.
My point was in regards to the transfer policy, not specifically attached to Aguero and Mata but let me explicitly state my point:
If our policy is we don't go in for players who are in champions league then it's wrong.
How unambitious is that?? If we think Suarez is an exception then that's load of rubbish.
Even in this dark age soulless football players there must be few out there who can see the future liverpool offers rather than a one season of champions league football which ulimately involves them being spanked by Barca anyway.
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I'm guessing, as I've said a few times, that our policy this Summer is based on hitting the ground running in the league with players who won't take time to settle etc. I'm not suggesting we don't try or that we haven't tried to get players who are more likely to be interested in CL football. How many links have there been this Summer? I'd wager a fair percentage of those players are exactly the type we're referring to. As a club what are we supposed to do if we do approach for these players and lose out? We're hardly likely to say, "oh well we tried to get Mata but he wanted CL football", from a PR sense it would be ridiculous. We haven't said anything until we've signed players, so no one really knows the ins and outs and who we've tried to negotiate with and rightly so.
As Vlad pointed out a week or so ago, perhaps it is a sensible approach and time will tell whether it's the right one, but you can see the logic in trying to step up a couple of tiers to get back amongst the pack, by buying weathered, hungry Premiership players. Players who might play for us for a number of years and provide a basis to then add more players akin to Suarez. I'm not saying it's the right way or the wrong way, but you can see pros and cons. Look at how much City have spent on flash signings and as a team they haven't nearly justified the outlay.
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for pity sake; WE. ARE. NOT. IN. THE. CHAMPIONS. LEAGUE.
factor that in before the obligatory, 'we get down and they get mata' comments.
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Is that our excuse now for not going in for good players at seemingly good value?
So let's not even try to sign any more players from any clubs who are in Champions league.
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Is it really that hard to fathom? Who says we haven't tried? Besides the players we've signed, do you really think we've not been in for anyone else and been knocked back for whatever reason, either by the club or the player?
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Yes, it is, too simple and defeatist to suggest we shouldn't be going in for players because they play for champion league clubs and the clubs involved in signing for the are champion league club.
I don't know Mark in regards to your second questions, I suggest you fwd that to the club secretary.
My point was in regards to the transfer policy, not specifically attached to Aguero and Mata but let me explicitly state my point:
If our policy is we don't go in for players who are in champions league then it's wrong.
How unambitious is that?? If we think Suarez is an exception then that's load of rubbish.
Even in this dark age soulless football players there must be few out there who can see the future liverpool offers rather than a one season of champions league football which ulimately involves them being spanked by Barca anyway.
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I'm guessing, as I've said a few times, that our policy this Summer is based on hitting the ground running in the league with players who won't take time to settle etc. I'm not suggesting we don't try or that we haven't tried to get players who are more likely to be interested in CL football. How many links have there been this Summer? I'd wager a fair percentage of those players are exactly the type we're referring to. As a club what are we supposed to do if we do approach for these players and lose out? We're hardly likely to say, "oh well we tried to get Mata but he wanted CL football", from a PR sense it would be ridiculous. We haven't said anything until we've signed players, so no one really knows the ins and outs and who we've tried to negotiate with and rightly so.
As Vlad pointed out a week or so ago, perhaps it is a sensible approach and time will tell whether it's the right one, but you can see the logic in trying to step up a couple of tiers to get back amongst the pack, by buying weathered, hungry Premiership players. Players who might play for us for a number of years and provide a basis to then add more players akin to Suarez. I'm not saying it's the right way or the wrong way, but you can see pros and cons. Look at how much City have spent on flash signings and as a team they haven't nearly justified the outlay.
Are we doing this? Again?
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