John Barnes

[manwithnoname]

Think of all the abnormal children who look up to him, worship him even, and now have to hear that insulting reference to their ethnicity and/or colour. The FA simply must set an example here, particularly given Guardiola is a worldwide international figure.

He'll get a slap on the wrist and a fine of £8,000

 

[dantes]

If you are right, then the FA's written reasons will be an amazing document to behold alongside their Suarez judgement.

 

[Modo]

 

[Modo]

 

[gkmacca]

What's your point? That one black man attacks another black man via the tabloids? Or that after a number of Sterling-prompted stories about how much he likes tattoos, the next one criticises him for his latest one? Or that you have a collection of front copies of The S*n?

 

[Modo]

What's your point? That one black man attacks another black man via the tabloids? Or that after a number of Sterling-prompted stories about how much he likes tattoos, the next one criticises him for his latest one? Or that you have a collection of front copies of The S*n?

Either you don't get the point or you're deliberately obtuse. I think it's pretty clear.
So yeah, this isn't a discussion I'm interested in having with you.

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

Sterling generates more conspiracy theories than any other player at present. He attracted coverage a few years ago, as that snake of an agent worked to build up his profile prior to triggering his big and lucrative move, so the tabloids lapped up stories about his dodgy flings, his ridiculous in-house barber shop and tales of his rough and tough childhood. That was the proverbial Faustian deal. Once you whistle and get the red rags interested in you, don't feign surprise when they keep up the coverage no matter how trivial or twisted it might be. In that sense Sterling is Katie Price with a more girly running style. He still can't seem to figure out how he's been complicit in all this coverage, so he reaches for the race card every fecking time. The real victims of racism in the game are the players of various ethnicities in the lower leagues, where it is chronic rather than occasional, and the players in non-league football, where it's sometimes absolutely shocking. But they're not interesting to all the Premier League-obsessed pundits, because racism only impinges on their paradigm when it concerns the highest profile stars. It might astonish Raheem Sterling, but not everything is about Raheem Sterling.

Bullshit. No matter what media he courted the fact that tabloids basically tried to make him out to be a cunt for buying houses for his mum and family. Since 2015-2016 or so he seems to get it far worse from the tabloids than other players. He was made a complete scapegoat after England's poor run at Euro 2016, targeted over tattoos that have fuck all to do with anyone not connected with him and generally given a very rough ride by the English media. I hate the little fucker for leaving but there are no conspiracy theories to it.

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

What's your point? That one black man attacks another black man via the tabloids? Or that after a number of Sterling-prompted stories about how much he likes tattoos, the next one criticises him for his latest one? Or that you have a collection of front copies of The S*n?

That they connected stabbings to his tattoo, when they are completely unrelated.

 

[rurikbird]

This deserves a 10-point deduction.

 

[Atlas]

Sterling generates more conspiracy theories than any other player at present. He attracted coverage a few years ago, as that snake of an agent worked to build up his profile prior to triggering his big and lucrative move, so the tabloids lapped up stories about his dodgy flings, his ridiculous in-house barber shop and tales of his rough and tough childhood. That was the proverbial Faustian deal. Once you whistle and get the red rags interested in you, don't feign surprise when they keep up the coverage no matter how trivial or twisted it might be. In that sense Sterling is Katie Price with a more girly running style. He still can't seem to figure out how he's been complicit in all this coverage, so he reaches for the race card every fecking time. The real victims of racism in the game are the players of various ethnicities in the lower leagues, where it is chronic rather than occasional, and the players in non-league football, where it's sometimes absolutely shocking. But they're not interesting to all the Premier League-obsessed pundits, because racism only impinges on their paradigm when it concerns the highest profile stars. It might astonish Raheem Sterling, but not everything is about Raheem Sterling.

Obviously you have kept up with this kinda stuff more than I have but sterling screams racism every time?
I've not seen him comment often publicly.

Did you read his post? He mentioned two other players.. Not just himself.
He's talked about the societal issues not just issues relating to him or prem players.
Or also the Barnes interview In the OP

 

[rurikbird]

That they connected stabbings to his tattoo, when they are completely unrelated.

I’m offended by this not only because of the implied racism, but also the complete and utter lack of logic. How on God’s green earth can a gun tattoo on a footballer’s leg be somehow tied to some kid on the street being stabbed? And did I understand it right that they had to go to the victim’s dad (I guess?) and goad him into saying that Sterling should apologize to the victim? It’s absolutely insane.

 

[rubans]

Obviously you have kept up with this kinda stuff more than I have but sterling screams racism every time?
I've not seen him comment often publicly.

Did you read his post? He mentioned two other players.. Not just himself.
He's talked about the societal issues not just issues relating to him or prem players.
Or also the Barnes interview In the OP

I don't get this either, I hear the term being "race card" being played a few times by a few on this forum a few times over the last year with various stories. Not sure what the guy making the complaint is supposed to do if they feel it's racial prejudice.

 

[dantes]

I’m offended by this not only because of the implied racism, but also the complete and utter lack of logic. How on God’s green earth can a gun tattoo on a footballer’s leg be somehow tied to some kid on the street being stabbed? And did I understand it right that they had to go to the victim’s dad (I guess?) and goad him into saying that Sterling should apologize to the victim? It’s absolutely insane.

Fact is Sterling is looked up to by young black kids, so they are implying that it is irresponsible to have a gun tattoo whilst flaunting your obscene wealth to kids who want to emulate you and your wealthy lifestyle. Hard to argue with that to be fair.

 

[rubans]

Fact is Sterling is looked up to by young black kids, so they are implying that it is irresponsible to have a gun tattoo whilst flaunting your obscene wealth to kids who want to emulate you and your wealthy lifestyle. Hard to argue with that to be fair.

That's a load of rubbish, Sterling himself is a kid. Don't you think it's a bit of tenuous link? Seriously?
Will the same Tabloids next time blame Gazza for the next middle aged man accused of attempted rape because he saw him have 2 good games for England in 90s?

 

[Judge Jules]

"Sterling is a kid" my hairy Arsenal. He's 24, count 'em, TWENTY-FOUR years old. I happen to agree that some of the coverage he currently gets has a whiff of the witchhunt about it, but this kind of empty excuse-making on his behalf obscures the fact - and it is a fact, as macca has rightly pointed out - that his own past behaviour is what got the media on his trail to begin with.

 

[rubans]

"Sterling is a kid" my hairy Arsenal. He's 24, count 'em, TWENTY-FOUR years old. I happen to agree that some of the coverage he currently gets has a whiff of the witchhunt about it, but this kind of empty excuse-making on his behalf obscures the fact - and it is a fact, as macca has rightly pointed out - that his own past behaviour is what got the media on his trail to begin with.

Some his behavior he's called out for comes from when he was a kid I thought or maybe I'm wrong and it all happened since he got the tatoo this year. Honestly,link someone who's committing a murder can link to a tatoo is lame and totally ridiculous.

 

[dantes]

That's a load of rubbish, Sterling himself is a kid. Don't you think it's a bit of tenuous link? Seriously?
Will the same Tabloids next time blame Gazza for the next middle aged man accused of attempted rape because he saw him have 2 good games for England in 90s?

There is no link between his tattoo and this murder. But there is a link between the stupid ideas and perspectives on life which possess someone to flaunt a gun tattoo, and the poisonous effect that has on young black kids. Sterling isn't responsible for that, it's down to musicians, rappers, the police, corporate influencers and the fake news. But since Raheem put a target on his back by acting a cunt, that's why his tattoo is mentioned in the article rather than the latest Tupac wannabe.

 

[rurikbird]

Fact is Sterling is looked up to by young black kids, so they are implying that it is irresponsible to have a gun tattoo whilst flaunting your obscene wealth to kids who want to emulate you and your wealthy lifestyle. Hard to argue with that to be fair.

OK, let's count the number of assumptions to make this connection work.

1. Looking at a tattoo on another person leads to violence. We can stop right there. No link has been established between violent video games and real-world violence, despite this bing much more personal and involved than a tattoo. There is no study, no evidence whatsoever that someone's tattoo can in any way contribute to the likelihood of a person stabbing someone.
2. The idea that you can trace this to one specific tattoo of one specific person and point to that as being the reason for the violence is absurd. To try to make the person apologize on the basis of this phantom connection is doubly absurd. To go to the family of the victim and make them blame a specific celebrity for a death of their child is scumbaggery of the highest order.
3. His tattoo was of a fucking gun, which was NOT the weapon used.
4. Was there ever any evidence presented that the kids in question were Sterling's personal fans? Even City fans? Were they even aware of his tattoo?
5. Obviously, the last thing tabloids are interested in is a sober, nuanced discussion of the factors contributing to violence among urban youths. They are interested in creating convenient scapegoats that can sell their papers and they picked Sterling because he is a rich, black well-known footballer (and happens to be a bit of a dick, but that's beside the point).

 

[gkmacca]

It's like Peter Cook said, when he watched Andy Pandy on TV the next thing he knew he was half way down the street in a glove. The power these things have over us is incredible.

 

[dantes]

OK, let's count the number of assumptions to make this connection work.

1. Looking at a tattoo on another person leads to violence. We can stop right there. No link has been established between violent video games and real-world violence, despite this bing much more personal and involved than a tattoo. There is no study, no evidence whatsoever that someone's tattoo can in any way contribute to the likelihood of a person stabbing someone.
2. The idea that you can trace this to one specific tattoo of one specific person and point to that as being the reason for the violence is absurd. To try to make the person apologize on the basis of this phantom connection is doubly absurd. To go to the family of the victim and make them blame a specific celebrity for a death of their child is scumbaggery of the highest order.
3. His tattoo was of a fucking gun, which was NOT the weapon used.
4. Was there ever any evidence presented that the kids in question were Sterling's personal fans? Even City fans? Were they even aware of his tattoo?
5. Obviously, the last thing tabloids are interested in is a sober, nuanced discussion of the factors contributing to violence among urban youths. They are interested in creating convenient scapegoats that can sell their papers and they picked Sterling because he is a rich, black well-known footballer (and a bit of a dick, but that's beside the point).

Agree with everything apart from "there is no study establishing a link". These studies are undertaken by moronic social pseudoscientists looking for statistical correlations between data sets. I can tell you that there is a link, as sure as I can tell you if you jump then gravity will bring your feet back down to earth.

 

[rubans]

OK, let's count the number of assumptions to make this connection work.

1. Looking at a tattoo on another person leads to violence. We can stop right there. No link has been established between violent video games and real-world violence, despite this bing much more personal and involved than a tattoo. There is no study, no evidence whatsoever that someone's tattoo can in any way contribute to the likelihood of a person stabbing someone.
2. The idea that you can trace this to one specific tattoo of one specific person and point to that as being the reason for the violence is absurd. To try to make the person apologize on the basis of this phantom connection is doubly absurd. To go to the family of the victim and make them blame a specific celebrity for a death of their child is scumbaggery of the highest order.
3. His tattoo was of a fucking gun, which was NOT the weapon used.
4. Was there ever any evidence presented that the kids in question were Sterling's personal fans? Even City fans? Were they even aware of his tattoo?
5. Obviously, the last thing tabloids are interested in is a sober, nuanced discussion of the factors contributing to violence among urban youths. They are interested in creating convenient scapegoats that can sell their papers and they picked Sterling because he is a rich, black well-known footballer (and happens to be a bit of a dick, but that's beside the point).

I'm also going to make an assumption that Dantes doesn't know any black people let alone young black kids to know whom they look upto 🙂

 

[got red on me]

I'm also going to make an assumption that Dantes doesn't know, or had sexual intercourse with any people, let alone young black kids to know whom they look upto 🙂

there ya go

 

[Holle]

Fuck this. Sterling deserves all the shit in the world after what he and his cuntface agent have done to us.

Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with racism, I am absolutely against it. I just want him to be treated like the cunt that he is.

 

[dantes]

I'm also going to make an assumption that Dantes doesn't know any black people let alone young black kids to know whom they look upto 🙂

You assume too much and read too little.

 

[rubans]

You assume too much and read too little.

That would make two of us then..


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[dantes]

But I deliberately read as little of the fake news as possible. Just think how much money they are making off Raheem's outburst, the fools think they are debating something important and making a difference, lols, the fake news doesn't care, they are just exploiting the clueless fool to make more revenue.

 

[manwithnoname]

But I deliberately read as little of the fake news as possible.

Dantes, dantes. The only people who use words like "fake news" and "MSM" are deranged Twitter spastics who believe in every single conspiracy theory out there.

 

[dantes]

Dantes, dantes. The only people who use words like "fake news" and "MSM" are deranged Twitter spastics who believe in every single conspiracy theory out there.

No no, the deranged twitter spastics call everything fake news because of the facts within it which contradict their silly delusions. I call everything fake news because it contains 1 line of fact (if that) and then 346 more lines of whatever agenda driven waffle will get the most clicks and views.

 

[dantes]

Look at the Raheem stories. They reported that he bought a house. That is just not the news, it's fake news. News is the type of stuff that used to come out of people like this guy's mouth. The agenda behind it is because their articles and segments are products, that they generate a revenue from, the more product they produce the more money they make. Rather than go out with people on the ground finding out real news, which adds a significant input cost to your business model, it's much easier to look at what Raheem is up to on Instagram, see he has bought a house, and for no cost to yourself you just write that down, spend 10 minutes making up a bunch of waffle, and watch all the money come in off the back of someone else's name and fame. It's fake news. All of it. The only way to stop it is for people like Raheem to wake up, get a proper agent, and sue anybody who uses his name, likeness or intellectual property without paying him for it. Then it will be up to the papers to prove in court the journalistic public interest defence behind reporting that he bought a house - and they will fail because it's not news, it's fake news, and the court will make that finding you can trust me on that.

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[manwithnoname]

The problem with "news" and in particular this sort of tedious, boring shit like "Sterling does a tour of his house and there's a jewelled sink in it!" is that it's very often not the bigger news media sources that pick it up first, because they can't be arsed with it.

Stupid stories like this are most often on breaking news or digital only sites like Unilad and feeds/ aggregators like Drudge Report first, get traction, and are then picked up by the news monitoring data on the established media platforms, and they take it and publish it, often digitally first, because clicks.

And then all the Sterling Gun Tattoo/ Bling House shite reaches a wider, older, more mainstream audience, who wouldn't usually be arsed or be aware.