Joe Allen
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The future of Wales looks quite promising...
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According to Opta stats, Swansea are currently 6th best team in Europe for passing accuracy!
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11731/7436000/
Team Passing Accuracy %
Barcelona 89.2
FC Bayern München 87.0
Manchester City 86.2
Real Madrid 85.8
Chelsea 85.5
Swansea City 85.2
Milan 85.1
Roma 84.9
Tottenham Hotspur 84.7
Arsenal 84.6
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11731/7436000/
Team Passing Accuracy %
Barcelona 89.2
FC Bayern München 87.0
Manchester City 86.2
Real Madrid 85.8
Chelsea 85.5
Swansea City 85.2
Milan 85.1
Roma 84.9
Tottenham Hotspur 84.7
Arsenal 84.6
Id like to think raiding swansea for Allen and Sinclair would be part of the long term plan for the future, so I reckon that could wait until the summer. I admire both players and would think they'd both suit the style of play we have when we play up tempo ball. But imo we need a 20+ a season striker to come in asap and that has to be number one priority in the window and Jermaine Defoe is not the answer at 20 million...fuck off Arry!!
[quote author=The Skrtmonster link=topic=48341.msg1466014#msg1466014 date=1326851068]
Id like to think raiding swansea for Allen and Sinclair would be part of the long term plan for the future, so I reckon that could wait until the summer. I admire both players and would think they'd both suit the style of play we have when we play up tempo ball. But imo we need a 20+ a season striker to come in asap and that has to be number one priority in the window and Jermaine Defoe is not the answer at 20 million...fuck off Arry!!
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I'd be very disappointed if we don't get one. Especially seeing Newcastle have just acquired a striker that has a proven goal-scoring record and it's all the more admirable because he's done that for fairly mediocre teams. Even his comments upon signing make me like him despite his slight misuse of the word 'big'....
Id like to think raiding swansea for Allen and Sinclair would be part of the long term plan for the future, so I reckon that could wait until the summer. I admire both players and would think they'd both suit the style of play we have when we play up tempo ball. But imo we need a 20+ a season striker to come in asap and that has to be number one priority in the window and Jermaine Defoe is not the answer at 20 million...fuck off Arry!!
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I'd be very disappointed if we don't get one. Especially seeing Newcastle have just acquired a striker that has a proven goal-scoring record and it's all the more admirable because he's done that for fairly mediocre teams. Even his comments upon signing make me like him despite his slight misuse of the word 'big'....
This 20 goal a seaosn striker thing is nonsense. Look at the clubs above us:
United - Hernandez and Berbatov are both 20 a season strikers and they sit on the bench these days.
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then.
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope. Defoe sits on the bench.
Arsenal - RVP is one I suppose.
The point is that these teams don't fucking rely on one '20 a season striker' - they have goals coming from everywhere. We had Torres bang in 20 every fucking year and we still didn't come close to winning a thing. The problem then with Torres as it is now without him, is that we don't have enough top quality players, not that we need one solitary player to bang in the goals.
Get better players across the midfield, out wide, in the hole, and up front. That's what we fucking need. Good players score, contribute, assist, and win games. Instead we spent 75 batsarding million pounds on 3 boys (Carroll, Henderson, Downing) who couldn't score with golden fucking cocks.
United - Hernandez and Berbatov are both 20 a season strikers and they sit on the bench these days.
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then.
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope. Defoe sits on the bench.
Arsenal - RVP is one I suppose.
The point is that these teams don't fucking rely on one '20 a season striker' - they have goals coming from everywhere. We had Torres bang in 20 every fucking year and we still didn't come close to winning a thing. The problem then with Torres as it is now without him, is that we don't have enough top quality players, not that we need one solitary player to bang in the goals.
Get better players across the midfield, out wide, in the hole, and up front. That's what we fucking need. Good players score, contribute, assist, and win games. Instead we spent 75 batsarding million pounds on 3 boys (Carroll, Henderson, Downing) who couldn't score with golden fucking cocks.
Ryan I acknowledge the stats/players on benches/lack of difference it makes to whatever points and Im not trying to argue against you.....in any other season it would be valid. But anyone can see that based on this season we are lucky to still be in with a shout of competing for 4th and we need to capitalize on it quickly. With Gerrard back and Suarez to return after his ban it may or may not see us through, but we've still only scored 24 goals this season. Its not enough, not by a long shot, not for a team with Champions league aspirations while Bolton languishing in 19th having scored 25.
And just on the point of clubs above us (im leaving out the scum and arsenal as youve already covered them)
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then........Aguero has 14 in the league (mid season).
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope....... 9 in the league already, if they continue their form he'll get close. (mid season again).
Fair enough we had Torres banging goals in left, right and center when he was here, but what else did we do when he was here ( bar his last full season)?. We had CL qualification every year. Teams that win Leagues have players that score 20 plus goals a season for fun. We should be aspiring to that, and not to be rivaling the goal scoring totals of a team in the relegation zone mid January.
And just on the point of clubs above us (im leaving out the scum and arsenal as youve already covered them)
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then........Aguero has 14 in the league (mid season).
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope....... 9 in the league already, if they continue their form he'll get close. (mid season again).
Fair enough we had Torres banging goals in left, right and center when he was here, but what else did we do when he was here ( bar his last full season)?. We had CL qualification every year. Teams that win Leagues have players that score 20 plus goals a season for fun. We should be aspiring to that, and not to be rivaling the goal scoring totals of a team in the relegation zone mid January.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48341.msg1466022#msg1466022 date=1326856043]
This 20 goal a seaosn striker thing is nonsense. Look at the clubs above us:
United - Hernandez and Berbatov are both 20 a season strikers and they sit on the bench these days.
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then.
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope. Defoe sits on the bench.
Arsenal - RVP is one I suppose.
The point is that these teams don't fucking rely on one '20 a season striker' - they have goals coming from everywhere. We had Torres bang in 20 every fucking year and we still didn't come close to winning a thing. The problem then with Torres as it is now without him, is that we don't have enough top quality players, not that we need one solitary player to bang in the goals.
Get better players across the midfield, out wide, in the hole, and up front. That's what we fucking need. Good players score, contribute, assist, and win games. Instead we spent 75 batsarding million pounds on 3 boys (Carroll, Henderson, Downing) who couldn't score with golden fucking cocks.
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While we're looking at clubs above us, Ryan, let's try the Barcodes and the Chavs.
Newcastle.
Ba is 15 goals from 19 thus far; that's nailed on for a 20 a season striker.
Chelsea.
Drogba looks unlikely to get 20 this season but then he's been stuffed around by the changes at Chelsea over the last season and a bit. Two seasons ago he hit 37.
Man City.
Aguero has 13 in 19; if he doesn't hit 20 it'll be an horrendous second half for him.
ManU
Rooney has 19 thus far. He's as nailed on for a 20+ season as you can get.
I'll give you Spurs.
The point is that we've got by far the worst conversion rate of chances to goals in the top 6 - in fact we're in line with relegation teams for this aspect. All the teams above us have a 20+ a season striker starting for them with the exception of Spurs.
I'm not suggesting that a goal poacher is the missing piece but the fact is we need to improve and the most significant improvement is to replace one of our non performing/non scoring/non providing strikers with one who scores goals. One extra goal in 3 matches like Stoke would see us in 4th just now. Is it as simple as that - of course not but it is certainly going to take us in the right direction.
I hear you re the better attacking players but then we'd been saying that for several years - back to the season Torres arrived. I'd say it's a given but then our signings would suggest that it's not so clear to others. We're not going to overhaul the team this month; bring in one good goal scorer though and it could take advantage of Suarez, Gerrard and Bellamy - at least enough to see us in Europe next season.
This 20 goal a seaosn striker thing is nonsense. Look at the clubs above us:
United - Hernandez and Berbatov are both 20 a season strikers and they sit on the bench these days.
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then.
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope. Defoe sits on the bench.
Arsenal - RVP is one I suppose.
The point is that these teams don't fucking rely on one '20 a season striker' - they have goals coming from everywhere. We had Torres bang in 20 every fucking year and we still didn't come close to winning a thing. The problem then with Torres as it is now without him, is that we don't have enough top quality players, not that we need one solitary player to bang in the goals.
Get better players across the midfield, out wide, in the hole, and up front. That's what we fucking need. Good players score, contribute, assist, and win games. Instead we spent 75 batsarding million pounds on 3 boys (Carroll, Henderson, Downing) who couldn't score with golden fucking cocks.
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While we're looking at clubs above us, Ryan, let's try the Barcodes and the Chavs.
Newcastle.
Ba is 15 goals from 19 thus far; that's nailed on for a 20 a season striker.
Chelsea.
Drogba looks unlikely to get 20 this season but then he's been stuffed around by the changes at Chelsea over the last season and a bit. Two seasons ago he hit 37.
Man City.
Aguero has 13 in 19; if he doesn't hit 20 it'll be an horrendous second half for him.
ManU
Rooney has 19 thus far. He's as nailed on for a 20+ season as you can get.
I'll give you Spurs.
The point is that we've got by far the worst conversion rate of chances to goals in the top 6 - in fact we're in line with relegation teams for this aspect. All the teams above us have a 20+ a season striker starting for them with the exception of Spurs.
I'm not suggesting that a goal poacher is the missing piece but the fact is we need to improve and the most significant improvement is to replace one of our non performing/non scoring/non providing strikers with one who scores goals. One extra goal in 3 matches like Stoke would see us in 4th just now. Is it as simple as that - of course not but it is certainly going to take us in the right direction.
I hear you re the better attacking players but then we'd been saying that for several years - back to the season Torres arrived. I'd say it's a given but then our signings would suggest that it's not so clear to others. We're not going to overhaul the team this month; bring in one good goal scorer though and it could take advantage of Suarez, Gerrard and Bellamy - at least enough to see us in Europe next season.
I think that's missing Ryan's point, we just need more creative attacking players, and with them, not only will we get more goals in general as they skillfully interact with one another and bring JOY TO MY LIFE, the existing players we have will also score more goals. This instead of the outdated idea that you buy delivery, and buy a goal scorer to do something with that delivery contributing the lionshare of your goals.
When you buy a bunch of pedestrian mechanistic players who haven't scored goals with consistency at any point, you can't expect them to start scoring them, but you can't tell me Suarez, Gerrard, and, well, that's about it, wouldn't score more goals if they had more creativity around them.
There's a reason why the board wants Maxi Rodriguez and Craig Bellamy on the pitch whenever possible, and they aren't even top quality players. There's a reason why I can't comprehend why of all the excess midfielders we had, we cast off the ones who look like they have a clue in the attacking third on the hope that Charlie Adam would thread balls out to Downing who'd deliver beautiful crosses for Carroll to head in. I don't want to have the same logic with a new "finisher" at the end of it, because there's not that much to finish a lot of the time in terms of well crafted chances.
I'd kill for a player like Garcia right now. And you can buy them, they don't have to be perfect. Bellamy was our best acquisition in terms of immediate results this last summer precisely because he offers what no one else does on our team.
When you buy a bunch of pedestrian mechanistic players who haven't scored goals with consistency at any point, you can't expect them to start scoring them, but you can't tell me Suarez, Gerrard, and, well, that's about it, wouldn't score more goals if they had more creativity around them.
There's a reason why the board wants Maxi Rodriguez and Craig Bellamy on the pitch whenever possible, and they aren't even top quality players. There's a reason why I can't comprehend why of all the excess midfielders we had, we cast off the ones who look like they have a clue in the attacking third on the hope that Charlie Adam would thread balls out to Downing who'd deliver beautiful crosses for Carroll to head in. I don't want to have the same logic with a new "finisher" at the end of it, because there's not that much to finish a lot of the time in terms of well crafted chances.
I'd kill for a player like Garcia right now. And you can buy them, they don't have to be perfect. Bellamy was our best acquisition in terms of immediate results this last summer precisely because he offers what no one else does on our team.
Ryan I acknowledge the stats/players on benches/lack of difference it makes to whatever points that you make and Im not trying to argue against you.....in any other season it would probably be valid. But anyone can see that based on this season we are lucky to still be in with a shout of competing for 4th and we need to capitalize on it quickly. With Gerrard back and Suarez to return after his ban it may or may not see us through, but we've still only scored 24 goals this season. Its not enough, not by a long shot, not for a team with Champions league aspirations while Bolton languish in 19th having scored 25.
And just on the point of clubs above us (im leaving out the scum and arsenal as youve already covered them)
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then........Aguero has 14 in the league (mid season).
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope....... 9 in the league already, if they continue their form he'll get close. (mid season again).
*Edit* I forgot Newcastle, who without Ba's 15 goals this season would be mid table at the best.
Fair enough we had Torres banging goals in left, right and center when he was here, but what else did we do when he was here ( bar his last full season)?. We had CL qualification every year. Teams that win Leagues have players that score 20 plus goals a season for fun. We should be aspiring to that, and not to be rivaling the goal scoring totals of a team in the relegation zone mid January.
And just on the point of clubs above us (im leaving out the scum and arsenal as youve already covered them)
City - They don't have one. Aguero might get close, but even then........Aguero has 14 in the league (mid season).
Spurs - Adebayor? Nope....... 9 in the league already, if they continue their form he'll get close. (mid season again).
*Edit* I forgot Newcastle, who without Ba's 15 goals this season would be mid table at the best.
Fair enough we had Torres banging goals in left, right and center when he was here, but what else did we do when he was here ( bar his last full season)?. We had CL qualification every year. Teams that win Leagues have players that score 20 plus goals a season for fun. We should be aspiring to that, and not to be rivaling the goal scoring totals of a team in the relegation zone mid January.
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I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
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Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
*wonders if by 'avenged' he means kill*
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
*wonders if by 'avenged' he means kill*
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48341.msg1465989#msg1465989 date=1326844609]
The OHareometer on reflects current state of play as you know Oncy. And it's not a system that can be tampered with on an emotional basis. It is what it is.
Allen will be joining someone in the summer though. He's too good to stay there.
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He's going to the Mancs in July isnt he? You might as well tell us now.
The OHareometer on reflects current state of play as you know Oncy. And it's not a system that can be tampered with on an emotional basis. It is what it is.
Allen will be joining someone in the summer though. He's too good to stay there.
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He's going to the Mancs in July isnt he? You might as well tell us now.
If that bitch didn't want to go to hospital, she shouldn't have been loitering outside primary school acting like she owned the place.
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=48341.msg1466029#msg1466029 date=1326863876]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
This happened to me also. She got hit by a lad in breaktime and ran to get me. I can remember accompanying her in the playground until we were confronted by Geordie McMullan, one of the best fighters in the school, and several years older than me. Unfazed, I gave him the "did you hit my sister?" treatment, jabbing my finger upwards towards his face. I received a black eye. Long runs the fox though. The incident was reported and he got the cane muthafucka.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=48341.msg1466029#msg1466029 date=1326863876]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
This happened to me also. She got hit by a lad in breaktime and ran to get me. I can remember accompanying her in the playground until we were confronted by Geordie McMullan, one of the best fighters in the school, and several years older than me. Unfazed, I gave him the "did you hit my sister?" treatment, jabbing my finger upwards towards his face. I received a black eye. Long runs the fox though. The incident was reported and he got the cane muthafucka.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1466057#msg1466057 date=1326877637]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=48341.msg1466029#msg1466029 date=1326863876]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
This happened to me also. She got hit by a lad in breaktime and ran to get me. I can remember accompanying her in the playground until we were confronted by Geordie McMullan, one of the best fighters in the school, and several years older than me. Unfazed, I gave him the "did you hit my sister?" treatment, jabbing my finger upwards towards his face. I received a black eye. Long runs the fox though. The incident was reported and he got the cane muthafucka.
[/quote]Hahahaha. Almost exactly the same incident with me but I dealt with it 'Heathers' style.
His name was Don McGarry.
He hit my sister. I shoved him down the stairs and broke his leg. Seems fair.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1466057#msg1466057 date=1326877637]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=48341.msg1466029#msg1466029 date=1326863876]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
This happened to me also. She got hit by a lad in breaktime and ran to get me. I can remember accompanying her in the playground until we were confronted by Geordie McMullan, one of the best fighters in the school, and several years older than me. Unfazed, I gave him the "did you hit my sister?" treatment, jabbing my finger upwards towards his face. I received a black eye. Long runs the fox though. The incident was reported and he got the cane muthafucka.
[/quote]Hahahaha. Almost exactly the same incident with me but I dealt with it 'Heathers' style.
His name was Don McGarry.
He hit my sister. I shoved him down the stairs and broke his leg. Seems fair.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
This happened to me also. She got hit by a lad in breaktime and ran to get me. I can remember accompanying her in the playground until we were confronted by Geordie McMullan, one of the best fighters in the school, and several years older than me. Unfazed, I gave him the "did you hit my sister?" treatment, jabbing my finger upwards towards his face. I received a black eye. Long runs the fox though. The incident was reported and he got the cane muthafucka.
[/quote]Hahahaha. Almost exactly the same incident with me but I dealt with it 'Heathers' style.
His name was Don McGarry.
He hit my sister. I shoved him down the stairs and broke his leg. Seems fair.
[/quote]
Nice work Oncy. I lacked that sort of guile.
I also told my sister to only come and get me in the future if it was a little fella. Otherwise, go to the relevant authorities.
I'm not Bruce Lee, biotch.
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=48341.msg1466029#msg1466029 date=1326863876]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48341.msg1465982#msg1465982 date=1326844118]
I do Ryan. Im unhappy with the number the O'hare-o-metre has thrown up.
Im seething mate. Its like the time someone hit my sister at school.
[/quote]
Wtf?
[/quote]Its alright Dave I 'avenged' her.
[/quote]
This happened to me also. She got hit by a lad in breaktime and ran to get me. I can remember accompanying her in the playground until we were confronted by Geordie McMullan, one of the best fighters in the school, and several years older than me. Unfazed, I gave him the "did you hit my sister?" treatment, jabbing my finger upwards towards his face. I received a black eye. Long runs the fox though. The incident was reported and he got the cane muthafucka.
[/quote]Hahahaha. Almost exactly the same incident with me but I dealt with it 'Heathers' style.
His name was Don McGarry.
He hit my sister. I shoved him down the stairs and broke his leg. Seems fair.
[/quote]
Nice work Oncy. I lacked that sort of guile.
I also told my sister to only come and get me in the future if it was a little fella. Otherwise, go to the relevant authorities.
I'm not Bruce Lee, biotch.
How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
This much
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How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
[/quote]Quite. This knob was the biggest bully in school proper twat.
I didnt pay for a packet of monster munch for about a month after Dons 'fall'.
How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
[/quote]Quite. This knob was the biggest bully in school proper twat.
I didnt pay for a packet of monster munch for about a month after Dons 'fall'.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48341.msg1466078#msg1466078 date=1326882713]
How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
[/quote]Quite. This knob was the biggest bully in school proper twat.
I didnt pay for a packet of monster munch for about a month after Dons 'fall'.
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We should pay you full time to hang around the stairs of pubs and clubs frequented by premiership players.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48341.msg1466078#msg1466078 date=1326882713]
How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
[/quote]Quite. This knob was the biggest bully in school proper twat.
I didnt pay for a packet of monster munch for about a month after Dons 'fall'.
[/quote]
We should pay you full time to hang around the stairs of pubs and clubs frequented by premiership players.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48341.msg1466078#msg1466078 date=1326882713]
How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
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Guile comes in the timing. Biding your time, 'finding' yourself behind him on the stairs. These things require planning.
How much guile is involved in shoving someone down the stairs?
This much
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Guile comes in the timing. Biding your time, 'finding' yourself behind him on the stairs. These things require planning.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48341.msg1466035#msg1466035 date=1326867968]
What Fark said.
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What you and Fark want is what we all want though. I don't even think there's a difference of opinion here. Saying "I want a 20 goal a season striker" is perfectly compatible with "I want creative/goal-scoring players all over the pitch". One is a broad, ideological statement, while the other is an attempt to prioritise. The fact of the matter is, one of those objectives is achievable in this transfer window, while the other isn't. In essence, the first statement is a stepping stone to the realisation of the second statement.
Of course a 20-goal-a-season striker isn't going to solve all our problems. And of course there is an element of papering over the cracks. But for a team who have only managed 24 goals in 21 games, 10 goals from a single player in the second half of the season could be the difference between Europa and Champions League football. We are still only 1 point off 4th, despite being diabolical in front of goal thus far. A bona fide goalscorer represents a short-term solution, and might just give us a platform to build upon in the summer.
What Fark said.
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What you and Fark want is what we all want though. I don't even think there's a difference of opinion here. Saying "I want a 20 goal a season striker" is perfectly compatible with "I want creative/goal-scoring players all over the pitch". One is a broad, ideological statement, while the other is an attempt to prioritise. The fact of the matter is, one of those objectives is achievable in this transfer window, while the other isn't. In essence, the first statement is a stepping stone to the realisation of the second statement.
Of course a 20-goal-a-season striker isn't going to solve all our problems. And of course there is an element of papering over the cracks. But for a team who have only managed 24 goals in 21 games, 10 goals from a single player in the second half of the season could be the difference between Europa and Champions League football. We are still only 1 point off 4th, despite being diabolical in front of goal thus far. A bona fide goalscorer represents a short-term solution, and might just give us a platform to build upon in the summer.
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What Fark said.
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In which case both you and Fark miss the point.
I could just say "what Del said", but that would probably over play the point.
We all know - or should know - that we want better attacking players; attackers who interact with each other, are on the same wavelength, understand how to break defenses down and have the capacity to do it. Will this lead to more goals? Almost certainly. Is it achievable in this window? Just as certainly not.
As I said in my original post, we've been wanting better attacking players; players with guile and creativity for a number of years. We've called it a number of things; a spark, unpredictability, creativity etc. That hasn't changed.
What we're talking about now is what can we do in this current transfer window which will give us the best chance at the improvement necessary to make 4th spot? For me - and anyone else watching the plethora of chances created and missed thus far this season - that means getting someone who knows where the net is and can finish the chances that come his way.
The point of the original post seemed to be implying that 20+ goal a season strikers aren't used by the teams ahead of us whereas the truth is they're used by at least 4 of the 6 and maybe (Chavs) 5 of the 6. The idea that we don't need such an animal seems like an overcomplication to me - regardless of the respect I have for Ryans opinions in general.
What Fark said.
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In which case both you and Fark miss the point.
I could just say "what Del said", but that would probably over play the point.
We all know - or should know - that we want better attacking players; attackers who interact with each other, are on the same wavelength, understand how to break defenses down and have the capacity to do it. Will this lead to more goals? Almost certainly. Is it achievable in this window? Just as certainly not.
As I said in my original post, we've been wanting better attacking players; players with guile and creativity for a number of years. We've called it a number of things; a spark, unpredictability, creativity etc. That hasn't changed.
What we're talking about now is what can we do in this current transfer window which will give us the best chance at the improvement necessary to make 4th spot? For me - and anyone else watching the plethora of chances created and missed thus far this season - that means getting someone who knows where the net is and can finish the chances that come his way.
The point of the original post seemed to be implying that 20+ goal a season strikers aren't used by the teams ahead of us whereas the truth is they're used by at least 4 of the 6 and maybe (Chavs) 5 of the 6. The idea that we don't need such an animal seems like an overcomplication to me - regardless of the respect I have for Ryans opinions in general.
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I think that's missing Ryan's point, we just need more creative attacking players, and with them, not only will we get more goals in general as they skillfully interact with one another and bring JOY TO MY LIFE, the existing players we have will also score more goals. This instead of the outdated idea that you buy delivery, and buy a goal scorer to do something with that delivery contributing the lionshare of your goals.
When you buy a bunch of pedestrian mechanistic players who haven't scored goals with consistency at any point, you can't expect them to start scoring them, but you can't tell me Suarez, Gerrard, and, well, that's about it, wouldn't score more goals if they had more creativity around them.
There's a reason why the board wants Maxi Rodriguez and Craig Bellamy on the pitch whenever possible, and they aren't even top quality players. There's a reason why I can't comprehend why of all the excess midfielders we had, we cast off the ones who look like they have a clue in the attacking third on the hope that Charlie Adam would thread balls out to Downing who'd deliver beautiful crosses for Carroll to head in. I don't want to have the same logic with a new "finisher" at the end of it, because there's not that much to finish a lot of the time in terms of well crafted chances.
I'd kill for a player like Garcia right now. And you can buy them, they don't have to be perfect. Bellamy was our best acquisition in terms of immediate results this last summer precisely because he offers what no one else does on our team.
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Brilliant post.
I think that's missing Ryan's point, we just need more creative attacking players, and with them, not only will we get more goals in general as they skillfully interact with one another and bring JOY TO MY LIFE, the existing players we have will also score more goals. This instead of the outdated idea that you buy delivery, and buy a goal scorer to do something with that delivery contributing the lionshare of your goals.
When you buy a bunch of pedestrian mechanistic players who haven't scored goals with consistency at any point, you can't expect them to start scoring them, but you can't tell me Suarez, Gerrard, and, well, that's about it, wouldn't score more goals if they had more creativity around them.
There's a reason why the board wants Maxi Rodriguez and Craig Bellamy on the pitch whenever possible, and they aren't even top quality players. There's a reason why I can't comprehend why of all the excess midfielders we had, we cast off the ones who look like they have a clue in the attacking third on the hope that Charlie Adam would thread balls out to Downing who'd deliver beautiful crosses for Carroll to head in. I don't want to have the same logic with a new "finisher" at the end of it, because there's not that much to finish a lot of the time in terms of well crafted chances.
I'd kill for a player like Garcia right now. And you can buy them, they don't have to be perfect. Bellamy was our best acquisition in terms of immediate results this last summer precisely because he offers what no one else does on our team.
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Brilliant post.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48341.msg1466025#msg1466025 date=1326858921]
I think that's missing Ryan's point, we just need more creative attacking players, and with them, not only will we get more goals in general as they skillfully interact with one another and bring JOY TO MY LIFE, the existing players we have will also score more goals. This instead of the outdated idea that you buy delivery, and buy a goal scorer to do something with that delivery contributing the lionshare of your goals.
When you buy a bunch of pedestrian mechanistic players who haven't scored goals with consistency at any point, you can't expect them to start scoring them, but you can't tell me Suarez, Gerrard, and, well, that's about it, wouldn't score more goals if they had more creativity around them.
There's a reason why the board wants Maxi Rodriguez and Craig Bellamy on the pitch whenever possible, and they aren't even top quality players. There's a reason why I can't comprehend why of all the excess midfielders we had, we cast off the ones who look like they have a clue in the attacking third on the hope that Charlie Adam would thread balls out to Downing who'd deliver beautiful crosses for Carroll to head in. I don't want to have the same logic with a new "finisher" at the end of it, because there's not that much to finish a lot of the time in terms of well crafted chances.
I'd kill for a player like Garcia right now. And you can buy them, they don't have to be perfect. Bellamy was our best acquisition in terms of immediate results this last summer precisely because he offers what no one else does on our team.
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Brilliant post.
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It is indeed.
I've watched Andy Carroll and Steve Morison (Norwich) for a couple of seasons now and I like both players. I always said, and I maintain, that Morison is a lesser version of Carroll BUT Morison is scoring goals for fun in the EPL because Norwich have genuine width and enough creativity to make the chances for him. If Andy Carroll played for Norwich this season he's be in double figures already.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48341.msg1466025#msg1466025 date=1326858921]
I think that's missing Ryan's point, we just need more creative attacking players, and with them, not only will we get more goals in general as they skillfully interact with one another and bring JOY TO MY LIFE, the existing players we have will also score more goals. This instead of the outdated idea that you buy delivery, and buy a goal scorer to do something with that delivery contributing the lionshare of your goals.
When you buy a bunch of pedestrian mechanistic players who haven't scored goals with consistency at any point, you can't expect them to start scoring them, but you can't tell me Suarez, Gerrard, and, well, that's about it, wouldn't score more goals if they had more creativity around them.
There's a reason why the board wants Maxi Rodriguez and Craig Bellamy on the pitch whenever possible, and they aren't even top quality players. There's a reason why I can't comprehend why of all the excess midfielders we had, we cast off the ones who look like they have a clue in the attacking third on the hope that Charlie Adam would thread balls out to Downing who'd deliver beautiful crosses for Carroll to head in. I don't want to have the same logic with a new "finisher" at the end of it, because there's not that much to finish a lot of the time in terms of well crafted chances.
I'd kill for a player like Garcia right now. And you can buy them, they don't have to be perfect. Bellamy was our best acquisition in terms of immediate results this last summer precisely because he offers what no one else does on our team.
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Brilliant post.
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It is indeed.
I've watched Andy Carroll and Steve Morison (Norwich) for a couple of seasons now and I like both players. I always said, and I maintain, that Morison is a lesser version of Carroll BUT Morison is scoring goals for fun in the EPL because Norwich have genuine width and enough creativity to make the chances for him. If Andy Carroll played for Norwich this season he's be in double figures already.
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