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Jamie Carragher's LFC Dream Team

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[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170295#msg1170295 date=1283771660]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41755.msg1170293#msg1170293 date=1283770832]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170267#msg1170267 date=1283759191]
The depressing thing about that team - including subs - is that its so easy to pick.

Apart from Carra himself those are pretty much the only good players we've had in 15 years.
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What?

Bollocks.
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So what would you say are the glaring ommissions from that list? Given that we are talking about players from around 1997 to the present day?
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I know he didn't left on the best of terms but Mascherano for one. You could also argue that Glen Johnson would be there or thereabouts. I know who I'd pick if I were to assemble a team today if the choice were between him and Finnan and this has got nothing to do with me not rating the latter.

I'd also say Daniel Agger isn't far of the standards of Henchoz and I'd certainly pick the former of the two if I were to assemble aforementioned team. And then of course Carra would make the list too if he wasn't the one picking them.

Joe Cole is another player who in terms of status and career is thereabouts too and I've persoanlly always rated the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Heggem, Staunton, Berger and Wright. Dirk Kuyt has been/is a great servant too.
 
Cole hasn't done anything to deserve being in such a team yet.

Like you say, the real competition is at RB between Finnan, Arbeloa, Babel and possibly Johnson; and at CM, with Masher, Didi, Gerrard and Xabi.

The rest really picks itself.
 
Oh I agree paddy shouldnt be there, I just thought id highlight a player who could have challenged for a place
 
I know he didn't left on the best of terms but Mascherano for one. You could also argue that Glen Johnson would be there or thereabouts. I know who I'd pick if I were to assemble a team today if the choice were between him and Finnan and this has got nothing to do with me not rating the latter.

I'd also say Daniel Agger isn't far of the standards of Henchoz and I'd certainly pick the former of the two if I were to assemble aforementioned team. And then of course Carra would make the list too if he wasn't the one picking them.

Joe Cole is another player who in terms of status and career is thereabouts too and I've persoanlly always rated the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Heggem, Staunton, Berger and Wright. Dirk Kuyt has been/is a great servant too.
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Not one of those players in bold are anywhere near the best XI, through a combination of reasons that vary from "not being very good", "spent half his career injured", "is a lying, whining cunt" all the way through to "has only played TWO FUCKING GAMES FOR LIVERPOOL"
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41755.msg1170302#msg1170302 date=1283772693]
Cole hasn't done anything to deserve being in such a team yet.

Like you say, the real competition is at RB between Finnan, Arbeloa, Babel and possibly Johnson; and at CM, with Masher, Didi, Gerrard and Xabi.
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Forgot about Arbeloa too.

Of course Cole shouldn't be in that team but that wasn't what I was debating. This is the comment I was replying too:

Apart from Carra himself those are pretty much the only good players we've had in 15 years.

Which I believe to be a rather daft and extremely wrong assessment.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41755.msg1170304#msg1170304 date=1283772846]
I know he didn't left on the best of terms but Mascherano for one. You could also argue that Glen Johnson would be there or thereabouts. I know who I'd pick if I were to assemble a team today if the choice were between him and Finnan and this has got nothing to do with me not rating the latter.

I'd also say Daniel Agger isn't far of the standards of Henchoz and I'd certainly pick the former of the two if I were to assemble aforementioned team. And then of course Carra would make the list too if he wasn't the one picking them.

Joe Cole is another player who in terms of status and career is thereabouts too and I've persoanlly always rated the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Heggem, Staunton, Berger and Wright. Dirk Kuyt has been/is a great servant too.
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Not one of those players in bold are anywhere near the best XI, through a combination of reasons that vary from "not being very good", "spent half his career injured", "is a lying, whining cunt" all the way through to "has only played TWO FUCKING GAMES FOR LIVERPOOL"
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Answer me this: Are the above mentioned players good?

Yes or no.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41755.msg1170307#msg1170307 date=1283772978]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41755.msg1170304#msg1170304 date=1283772846]
I know he didn't left on the best of terms but Mascherano for one. You could also argue that Glen Johnson would be there or thereabouts. I know who I'd pick if I were to assemble a team today if the choice were between him and Finnan and this has got nothing to do with me not rating the latter.

I'd also say Daniel Agger isn't far of the standards of Henchoz and I'd certainly pick the former of the two if I were to assemble aforementioned team. And then of course Carra would make the list too if he wasn't the one picking them.

Joe Cole is another player who in terms of status and career is thereabouts too and I've persoanlly always rated the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Heggem, Staunton, Berger and Wright. Dirk Kuyt has been/is a great servant too.
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Not one of those players in bold are anywhere near the best XI, through a combination of reasons that vary from "not being very good", "spent half his career injured", "is a lying, whining cunt" all the way through to "has only played TWO FUCKING GAMES FOR LIVERPOOL"
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Answer me this: Are the above mentioned players good?

Yes or no.
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Is that what you're listing? "Players who have played/ do play for Liverpool who are good"?

I thought this was about Carra's Dream Team? In which none of the players in bold appear. Correctly so.

Agger's place in the CURRENT Liverpool team isn't guaranteed, never mind some kind of Dream Team. And anyone who puts together a fucking "Dream Team" that has the likes of Redknapp, Staunton, Heggem and Kuyt in it, isn't really sticking to the idea of what a "Dream team" should look like. It's more of a "Decent Team"

Yeah, try that out as a thread. List your all-time "Decent Team".
 
Mascherano I'll give you yes.

Obviously Carra. I said myself he would be there.

Cole has played 3 games and been sent off in one of them. A good player yes but essentially he has done nothing thus far.

No point arguing with you over Agger is there, but in reality he still has much to prove.

Would it be a difficult decision to leave Heggem, Staunton and Kuyt out? I wouldn't have thought so. Redknapp was pretty good at one stage but not really by then.

Wright? Do you mean the very average Stephen Wright or pretty good Mark Wright who was very much on his way out and probably played about 1 game with Jamie Carragher?
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170310#msg1170310 date=1283773423]
Mascherano I'll give you yes.

Obviously Carra. I said myself he would be there.

Cole has played 3 games and been sent off in one of them. A good player yes but essentially he has done nothing thus far.

No point arguing with you over Agger is there, but in reality he still has much to prove.

Would it be a difficult decision to leave Heggem, Staunton and Kuyt out? I wouldn't have thought so. Redknapp was pretty good at one stage but not really by then.

Wright? Do you mean the very average Stephen Wright or pretty good Mark Wright who was very much on his way out and probably played about 1 game with Jamie Carragher?
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It's pretty much safe to say that however many points there are about Carra's Dream Team, khl has missed every single one.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41755.msg1170309#msg1170309 date=1283773280]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41755.msg1170307#msg1170307 date=1283772978]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41755.msg1170304#msg1170304 date=1283772846]
I know he didn't left on the best of terms but Mascherano for one. You could also argue that Glen Johnson would be there or thereabouts. I know who I'd pick if I were to assemble a team today if the choice were between him and Finnan and this has got nothing to do with me not rating the latter.

I'd also say Daniel Agger isn't far of the standards of Henchoz and I'd certainly pick the former of the two if I were to assemble aforementioned team. And then of course Carra would make the list too if he wasn't the one picking them.

Joe Cole is another player who in terms of status and career is thereabouts too and I've persoanlly always rated the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Heggem, Staunton, Berger and Wright. Dirk Kuyt has been/is a great servant too.
Click to expand...

Not one of those players in bold are anywhere near the best XI, through a combination of reasons that vary from "not being very good", "spent half his career injured", "is a lying, whining cunt" all the way through to "has only played TWO FUCKING GAMES FOR LIVERPOOL"
[/quote]

Answer me this: Are the above mentioned players good?

Yes or no.
[/quote]

Is that what you're listing? "Players who have played/ do play for Liverpool who are good"?

I thought this was about Carra's Dream Team? In which none of the players in bold appear. Correctly so.

Agger's place in the CURRENT Liverpool team isn't guaranteed, never mind some kind of Dream Team. And anyone who puts together a fucking "Dream Team" that has the likes of Redknapp, Staunton, Heggem and Kuyt in it, isn't really sticking to the idea of what a "Dream team" should look like. It's more of a "Decent Team"

Yeah, try that out as a thread. List your all-time "Decent Team".

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HOLY MOTHER.

We can't hide anything from you can we?

For the record, that was exactly what I was listing, yes.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41755.msg1170305#msg1170305 date=1283772849]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41755.msg1170302#msg1170302 date=1283772693]
Cole hasn't done anything to deserve being in such a team yet.

Like you say, the real competition is at RB between Finnan, Arbeloa, Babel and possibly Johnson; and at CM, with Masher, Didi, Gerrard and Xabi.
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Forgot about Arbeloa too.

Of course Cole shouldn't be in that team but that wasn't what I was debating. This is the comment I was replying too:

Apart from Carra himself those are pretty much the only good players we've had in 15 years.

Which I believe to be a rather daft and extremely wrong assessment.
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My point was that its depressingly easy to pick that squad of players.

We have had players who have had their moments but, seriously, if someone asked you to pick a team and 6 substitutes from the same period would you really pick anyone any different to those that Carra picked?
 
the only noteable exception from carra's first team and bench is carra himself, so carra would push out henchoz. other than that, masherano? nope, as mash isn't better than alonso or didi, and maybe arbeloa/johnson but finnan and babbel get the nod over them.

my personal pick from players from carra's era

-----------------------reina--------------------------
babbel---------carra-------sami-------------riise
gerrard-----------didi------alonso--------macca
---------------torres---------fowler---------------
 
In the match program Carragher has picked Torres and Owen up front instead of Fowler and Owen. I wonder has there been a printing error somewhere or has he made 2 dream teams...
 
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=41755.msg1170305#msg1170305 date=1283772849]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41755.msg1170302#msg1170302 date=1283772693]
Cole hasn't done anything to deserve being in such a team yet.

Like you say, the real competition is at RB between Finnan, Arbeloa, Babel and possibly Johnson; and at CM, with Masher, Didi, Gerrard and Xabi.
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Forgot about Arbeloa too.

Of course Cole shouldn't be in that team but that wasn't what I was debating. This is the comment I was replying too:

Apart from Carra himself those are pretty much the only good players we've had in 15 years.

Which I believe to be a rather daft and extremely wrong assessment.
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My point was that its depressingly easy to pick that squad of players.

We have had players who have had their moments but, seriously, if someone asked you to pick a team and 6 substitutes from the same period would you really pick anyone any different to those that Carra picked?
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Ok that's probably not completely wrong however wouldn't it always be like this for any club when you're addressing a limited period of time? Apart from when looking at the clubs having shitloads of £20M players benched too.
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=41755.msg1170318#msg1170318 date=1283774277]
In the match program Carragher has picked Torres and Owen up front instead of Fowler and Owen. I wonder has there been a printing error somewhere or has he made 2 dream teams...
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each to their own but I'd like to know in what regard he believes owen better than fowler, as the latter scored more goals and had more to his game.
 
Really? ok well given a similar timeframe lets try LFC 1977-1990 shall we?
no difficult choices there?
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170324#msg1170324 date=1283775151]
Really? ok well given a similar timeframe lets try LFC 1977-1990 shall we?
no difficult choices there?
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Admittedly I've not got every player and every team covered but there are probably a few more hard back then choices but hardly more than three WorldClass strikers either?

It doesn't get much better than Fowler, Torres and Owen and as Barnes was in contention to Carras team as well you'll find it difficult to top that quartet in any given period. In Sami, Carra, Henchoz and Agger I think we've been rather spoiled in that department too and Hamann, Gerrard, Xabi and Masher isn't to shabby looking either.

Reina is as good a keeper as we've ever had as well.
 
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[quote author=refugee link=topic=41755.msg1170318#msg1170318 date=1283774277]
In the match program Carragher has picked Torres and Owen up front instead of Fowler and Owen. I wonder has there been a printing error somewhere or has he made 2 dream teams...
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each to their own but I'd like to know in what regard he believes owen better than fowler, as the latter scored more goals and had more to his game.
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In the program he said he made the choice because Owen was playing in the match and didn't want to piss him off, also Owen is his best friend and he might be biased.
 
If we did a poll on here about the best Liverpool CBs in the last decade it would be Hyypia, Carragher, Henchoz, Agger, in that order. In fact, Hyypia and Carragher would be so far in front, the results for third and fourth would be irrelevant
 
Joe Cole would currently only get into a most disastrous league debut XI.

Oh and Staunton wasn't any good. not by then anyway.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41755.msg1170336#msg1170336 date=1283777555]
How can Joe Cole be included ???
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He obviously can't.

But he's a good player. At least that's what I think.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170339#msg1170339 date=1283778024]
Joe Cole would currently only get into a most disastrous league debut XI.

Oh and Staunton wasn't any good. not by then anyway.
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But John Barnes of the year of 97' was?
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=41755.msg1170343#msg1170343 date=1283778943]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170339#msg1170339 date=1283778024]
Joe Cole would currently only get into a most disastrous league debut XI.

Oh and Staunton wasn't any good. not by then anyway.
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But John Barnes of the year of 97' was?
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You're having one of your car-crash nightmares in this thread. It's painful.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41755.msg1170311#msg1170311 date=1283773499]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41755.msg1170310#msg1170310 date=1283773423]
Mascherano I'll give you yes.

Obviously Carra. I said myself he would be there.

Cole has played 3 games and been sent off in one of them. A good player yes but essentially he has done nothing thus far.

No point arguing with you over Agger is there, but in reality he still has much to prove.

Would it be a difficult decision to leave Heggem, Staunton and Kuyt out? I wouldn't have thought so. Redknapp was pretty good at one stage but not really by then.

Wright? Do you mean the very average Stephen Wright or pretty good Mark Wright who was very much on his way out and probably played about 1 game with Jamie Carragher?
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It's pretty much safe to say that however many points there are about Carra's Dream Team, khl has missed every single one.
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Seriously are you beeing serious? Or just plain daft?

I don't relly mind Carra's choices - I'd probably make a few adjustments but that's not what we've been discussing is it? Which everyone who had cared to actually READ the posts and remarks would've know by now.

STATEMENT: There hasn't been any good players in Liverpool for the past 15 years bar those on the list.

Amazingly WRONG!
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41755.msg1170338#msg1170338 date=1283777876]
I know. And Heggem. All 20 games of him.
[/quote]Not that im arguing for his inclusion or owt, but Heggem was great in those 20 games.
 
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