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It's time to play 10 vs 10

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Yeah but then all three of the above would apply, if we start with larger goals the poor team becomes ultra-defensive and gets players sent to the sin-bin, resulting in fewer players !

Playing ultra defensive doesn't necessarily mean fouling more. It will mean all players behind the ball in rigid banks though.

Saw this in hockey with removal of the rule prohibiting two-line passes. Eventually teams figured out to line men up across their own blue line, essentially denying the opportunity to carry the puck into the offensive zone.

There are always unintended consequences. Smart coaches with limited resources will find ways to nullify the intended effect.
 
Playing ultra defensive doesn't necessarily mean fouling more. It will mean all players behind the ball in rigid banks though.

Saw this in hockey with removal of the rule prohibiting two-line passes. Eventually teams figured out to line men up across their own blue line, essentially denying the opportunity to carry the puck into the offensive zone.

There are always unintended consequences. Smart coaches with limited resources will find ways to nullify the intended effect.
I knew I should have added a smilie to my post above.
 
The world also now has the capability to pause the clock when an injury or stoppage in play occurs, and then un-pause the clock when play starts again.

But apparently it makes more sense to just watch minutes of time tick by on the match clock with no action, and then add 60% of the time lost added on to the end, where about half of that is eaten up by stoppages as well.
 
This thread makes for odd reading.

I'm surprised nobody has stated the obvious (at least seems that way to me) - the tournament was poor because the teams in it were poor.

France were blunted up front by Giroud and Deschamps stubborn approach, Spain are at / past the end of their cycle, Germany were below standard and like France lacking in firepower and form up front, Italy are average as fuck and so on and so on.

The shit games (of which there were many) were generally due to one of the teams acknowledging their inferiority up front and playing the game accordingly. Players are fitter now, sure, but teams are also more tactically disciplined and aware. The only way to mitigate against that is to disincentivize that approach to the point where it gives the better sides an even greater advantage than they already start the game with.

The Bielsa (or whoever you want to credit it to) school of football is definitely in vogue right now and it's fair to say that luxury players that don't or won't work hard for the team first and foremost are less likely to be accommodated than they perhaps used to be. But football is cyclical and things will probably change.

It might be that at international level teams are finding it harder to find balance than teams at club level. I've not heard such complaints about the CL.
 
This thread makes for odd reading.

I'm surprised nobody has stated the obvious (at least seems that way to me) - the tournament was poor because the teams in it were poor.

France were blunted up front by Giroud and Deschamps stubborn approach, Spain are at / past the end of their cycle, Germany were below standard and like France lacking in firepower and form up front, Italy are average as fuck and so on and so on.

The shit games (of which there were many) were generally due to one of the teams acknowledging their inferiority up front and playing the game accordingly. Players are fitter now, sure, but teams are also more tactically disciplined and aware. The only way to mitigate against that is to disincentivize that approach to the point where it gives the better sides an even greater advantage than they already start the game with.

The Bielsa (or whoever you want to credit it to) school of football is definitely in vogue right now and it's fair to say that luxury players that don't or won't work hard for the team first and foremost are less likely to be accommodated than they perhaps used to be. But football is cyclical and things will probably change.

It might be that at international level teams are finding it harder to find balance than teams at club level. I've not heard such complaints about the CL.

I agree with you on the Euros front.

But I am not sure about the connection to Bielsa school of football. The team which has embraced Bielsa philosophy to the maximum is Chile and they are brilliant to watch.
 
I agree with you on the Euros front.

But I am not sure about the connection to Bielsa school of football. The team which has embraced Bielsa philosophy to the maximum is Chile and they are brilliant to watch.

Yes, and they press and hunt in packs like crazy. I thought that was keni's exact point.

Excellent post, BTW @keniget. I'll add that this was the first big tournament in recent memory that didn't have a single great (and in-form) centre-forward! You name it: Müller had a stinker for Germany, France didn't select their only top-class striker (Benzema), Portugal and Wales played with midfielders as strikers, Mandzukic never fit Croatia's passing style, Ibra and Lewandowski disappointed, and let's not mention England. So teams had to rely on their #10's such as Griezmann, Payet and Ozil to deliver the goals and that made for a historically low-scoring tournament.
 
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We've been playing with 10 players on the pitch ever since we signed Moreno.
 
Euro2016 was shite but then International Footy invariably is. This tourno was better than the WC in South Africa, that's the best thing I can say about it. Portugal are the worst champions at anything, ever.
I've watched every Euro or WC since 1982 and probably seen about 15 good matches, most of them prior to 2000.
 
Saw some of the best, most exciting footy I've ever seen at Anfield in the past few years,

Close this stupid thread.
 
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