Ok, I stand corrected then. I thought Roma loaned him to Empoli last year. I must be wrong.
Is there a better way ?
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Ok, I stand corrected then. I thought Roma loaned him to Empoli last year. I must be wrong.
VVD sounds like he'll cost crazy money, which is a huge risk off the back of a medium term injury. I'd rather we looked elsewhere. I couldn't tell you who that would be though. My knowledge of European football is pretty shite.
Rudiger has gone to Chelsea and supposedly is still error prone (but has great potential) and Schick is also an unproven youngster with great potential.
We don't want potential or youngsters (Keita has already proven his maturity). It would seem that our transfer policy of yesteryear, buying potential and youngsters, plus the occasional over-the-hill to get us by, has been, thank God, jettisoned.
If we want to compete for the title then we need to do what City, Chelsea, United and now Arsenal, are doing, and buy highly rated proven players. VVD and Keita fall into that bracket. Why gamble on Zero coming up when you can choose Black or Red.
My thoughts are that Klopp seems to have a fairly decent reputation of signing players, and he's done pretty well for us when he's signed expensive first teamers so far, and I'm sure there's more that goes into signing players than one of us berks looking at a few youtube clips, or the or watching the odd game which they're playing in. If he's identified them as the right players, then I'll take his word for it, and they're doing pretty good jobs at the clubs they're at, and positions we need to strengthen.
I've just picked out a few players from Binnys thread of people who have already moved.
But it seems obvious that there might be plenty of better deals out there
I trust Klopp's sense of a "player" than any other manager we've had in the past 20 years. I don't expect him to get it right. But I expect more right than not.
So in tis case, I can say, we've tried the old model (Sigh 4-5 players of meh ability), and let's do the new one - sign top tier players we want (1 or 2 instead).
Parry's interview a few weeks back, confirmed this even more.
So in tis case, I can say, we've tried the old model (Sigh 4-5 players of meh ability), and let's do the new one - sign top tier players we want (1 or 2 instead).
Parry's interview a few weeks back, confirmed this even more.
Of course there are .... however identifying them and how successful they may be is a game of roulette that every club plays. However (over) paying, undoubtedly, but that's where the market is for PL clubs, for proven players mitigates the risk to an extent.
I agree.
Feels like we are fucking this window up royally
There might be better deals out there and other players, but if Klopp has decided what type of player he needs to take this team forward then I'd rather spend the extra money and get the players he wants.
We've been down that road of buying other "alternatives" and it didnt work out very well.
The key factor with Keita is that there doesnt seem to be many, if any, similar players to him.
We've been down that road of buying other "alternatives" and it didnt work out very well.
The key factor with Keita is that there doesnt seem to be many, if any, similar players to him.
Who was it who wrote something like this a while back..
I heard a really good description of Liverpool's transfer strategy today. "Target A too expensive, let's move onto target B. Target B, wages too high, let's move on to target C.
Hang on, target C isn't much better than what we have, & has a questionable injury record. Ah so what, they're new, we need new players, let's buy them anyway, Klopp can improve them. If it doesn't work out Milner can play there."
I heard a really good description of Liverpool's transfer strategy today. "Target A too expensive, let's move onto target B. Target B, wages too high, let's move on to target C.
Hang on, target C isn't much better than what we have, & has a questionable injury record. Ah so what, they're new, we need new players, let's buy them anyway, Klopp can improve them. If it doesn't work out Milner can play there."
Have you got amnesia ?
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That would have been me.
I thought it was you or Macca. Nice one. It's official "Heeeeeeeeeee's highly quotable!"
Perhaps not, but as I said, we've done nothing but try your suggestion for years, & it's been pretty fucking disappointing, & we've managed to waste a shitload of cash on dross in the process.
So let's try it this way, see what happens. Yes, the fact they're the manager's number one choices is a big reason why, but our past history in transfers is a big part too.
I don't think we have ever done it my way.
We're talking about signing the 'Premiership proven' Van Dijk to replace the 'Premiership proven' Lovren. Just at a much more inflated price.
We're not signing one of the best defenders in the world. We're signing a 26 year old CB with a good 18 months in the Premier League under his belt . In a side that defends deeper, offering him more protection that still conceded more league goals than we did . The notion that it is any less risky because we're paying a fee that should get us a world class talent is misguided.
My only concern about Keita is his age, but that can be cleared up if we're thorough in how we do things (i expect we're not)
I have concerns about van Dijk. I'm certain we can get better for a cheaper price.
Keita I'm more comfortable with. Instinctively think that he's going to be a special player. We're clearly getting shafted over the price, but if he's truly sensational, we won't care about the price.
Salah I'm very happy with. I'm very confident he'll be a success.
Left back, I hope we go for someone really good.
Keita I'm more comfortable with. Instinctively think that he's going to be a special player. We're clearly getting shafted over the price, but if he's truly sensational, we won't care about the price.
Salah I'm very happy with. I'm very confident he'll be a success.
Left back, I hope we go for someone really good.
I think VVD will be even better with a Naby Keita infront of him.
Keita should be the number 1 target though. I think Lovren might even look good behind him. He comes across as a "midfield general", and the fact he's asked for the number 8 shirt gives me confidence that any record deal wouldn't phase him.
Unless I'm mistaken, all four of the players in the OP have moved clubs this summer, so it is more than a little pointless IMO comparing players we are seemingly interested in to players who are unavailable.
@Rosco if you think the club's current targets are folly, it'd be far more interesting to see your proposed list of alternatives we could actually sign, but then @redhorizon2 already did that thread.
@Rosco if you think the club's current targets are folly, it'd be far more interesting to see your proposed list of alternatives we could actually sign, but then @redhorizon2 already did that thread.
Yeah you're correct. It was deliberate to show why i don't need to show you a list of alternatives.
Because just those 4 are a good example of how the money could have been arguably better used
What profile does VVD fit ?
Only possible if these guys were targets in the first place, no sign that they were. So there's no possible way that money that hasn't even been spent yet could have been better spent on players we were never going to sign. It's actually a very poor example of what you describe and nothing more than peddling impossible 'what ifs'. One of those players you listed is a striker (Schick) and it's pretty clear we are not even interested in signing another one.
You don't need to show a list of alternatives, no, but - in the real world - alternatives will only be seriously considered when it becomes clear that first choice targets aren't going to move. I hope the club's alternatives are better than yours, otherwise we'll be signing no more new players!
I think that's his point. But we got there in the end, thankfully
Surely the money is arguably better used spending it on players that Klopp actually wants.
And if the only defender and midfielder he wants - IN THE ENTIRE WORLD - are Van Dijk and Keita, then fine yeah, let's sign fucking nobody at all!
Fucking retarded
Fucking retarded
I wasn't signing my name
Poor the Brenners. Slowly melting down.
Or something.
Or something.
Come on man, you've said yourself across other threads that Gini and Mané were not first choice. He's shown that he will move on to other targets, but he's also shown that he has a limit to how far he'll drop in quality.
Van Dijk and Keita won't be the sole targets, but it looks like they are the top targets so we'll move on when we don't think there's a chance of signing them.
Yep. Klopp would rather sign no-one than compromise too much. And that approach makes sense, too.
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