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IF Rafa get the Inter job...

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Whaddapie

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... I will be asking everybody who claims that he had (and retains) an unquenchable love and respect for all things LFC and the city itself, how exactly he demonstrated that devotion by taking 6 million quid that we don't have to waste off us a matter of mere days before signing a multi-year, multi-million Euro deal elsewhere.

IF he does that, it will show me EXACTLY how much Rafa loves and respects Liverpool Football Club.
 
I think this is the most embarrassing effort to smear Rafa I've seen on this forum.

By the way, if he was entitled to 16 m and settled for 6 m then yes, that says a lot.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40514.msg1115359#msg1115359 date=1275956734]
I think this is the most embarrassing effort to smear Rafa I've seen on this forum.

By the way, if he was entitled to 16 m and settled for 6 m then yes, that says a lot.
[/quote]

You're entitled to.

If Amy and I didn't work out, I'd not look to cripple her financially, just because I was entitled to... Sometimes, you don't HAVE to take everything you're entitled to, just because you can.

Like when you're already a millionaire many times over, about to earn another 12 to 15 million in your next job.

I may be alone in this line of thought. But I don't care.
 
To be fair, we don't know the in's & out's - it might well be that he'd taken a small(er) portion of what he was actually entitled to.

You'd be hard pressed to find ANY manager who'd do what you're asking for in similar circumstances, unfortunately Whad.

At some point, when you're involved in the sport the passion is counter-balanced by the fact that it is your occupation/business and so on.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40514.msg1115364#msg1115364 date=1275957237]
Well, as long as you don't care.
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I don't mate. 'Cos if you REALLY love something, you don't fleece it, just because you can.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40514.msg1115365#msg1115365 date=1275957333]
To be fair, we don't know the in's & out's - it might well be that he'd taken a small(er) portion of what he was actually entitled to.

You'd be hard pressed to find ANY manager who'd do what you're asking for in similar circumstances, unfortunately Whad.

At some point, when you're involved in the sport the passion is counter-balanced by the fact that it is your occupation/business and so on.
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Understood, Hardman.

But my point is not that he's not entitled to it. Or even that he's wrong. Just don't pretend you adore LFC when (to me) doing this proves that you really don't at all
 
And all the players who took a pay rise last year clearly don't love the club either. It makes me sick.
 
It's a job Whad.

One that he was fired from in circumstances that were far from respectful.

He can still love Liverpool FC and want to be paid for the job that he did and the contract that he was prepared to honor. I can totally see where loving a job does not equate to not getting paid what you are contractually owed -- especially when he sees two owner cunts who are millionaires many, many times richer than he.

I think that the fact that he didn't take those twats for every penny of the $16m says a lot of things about the man. Leave him be.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40514.msg1115369#msg1115369 date=1275958210]
And all the players who took a pay rise last year clearly don't love the club either. It makes me sick.
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Especially any of them who decide to leave us and then expect LFC to lump up the equivilent of 18 months worth of wages as a parting gift, despite the fact they'll be simultaniously earning ungodly sums of money at their new club.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40514.msg1115374#msg1115374 date=1275958768]
Whaddapie's passion for Liverpool burns hotter than the_sun.
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Ha!
 
Whaddapie is spot on.

As I said in a previous thread, judge him by his actions not his words. You'd be hard pressed to say that he did love the club, much like the vast majority of the players.
 
You seem to feel quite strongly about those in football having to live by some kind of unrealistic moral code.

The rights and wrongs of getting paid what you're owed and honouring contracts don't cease to exist simply because you're already pretty rich.
 
Not really - I think there is a lot of bullshit bandied about by people saying X,Y or Z loved the club because of what they said but when you take a look at their actions it becomes obvious what the case really is. And a lot of people seem to let incompetence slide because of some apparent love for the club.

The reality is everybody in football is out to feather their own nest, nobody has any real loyalty or love of the clubs they play for. They play / work for the money. In Rafa's case witness the politicking he did before getting his last contract renewal. He didn't care who else had to go or how the harmony in the dressing room was affected by the politicking - the important thing was getting the extension regardless of how it happened. No different to a lot of players it has to be said.


If (and I don't believe it to be the case) Rafa did truly love the club and care about it's future then he wouldn't have taken a 6 million pay off knowing the full circumstances of our current disposition. But he did take it, and probably did so out of vindictiveness towards the owners - and that's okay too.

He did what most people would have done - it just shows that any comments he made about caring about the future of the club are horseshit.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40514.msg1115359#msg1115359 date=1275956734]
I think this is the most embarrassing effort to smear Rafa I've seen on this forum.
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I agree.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40514.msg1115409#msg1115409 date=1275979347]
Has Rafa left yet?
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Ha !
 
So, er is Ross saying that to prove you love playing for Liverpool, you should play for nothing?

Not have a contract?

Accept whatever we deem their performances to be worth?

What the fuck is he on about, exactly?

I'm confused.

Although not half as confused as him
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1115412#msg1115412 date=1275979707]
So, er is Ross saying that to prove you love playing for Liverpool, you should play for nothing?

Not have a contract?

Accept whatever we deem their performances to be worth?


[/quote]

Is this the way they do things at Lyon?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1115412#msg1115412 date=1275979707]
So, er is Ross saying that to prove you love playing for Liverpool, you should play for nothing?

Not have a contract?

Accept whatever we deem their performances to be worth?

What the fuck is he on about, exactly?

I'm confused.

Although not half as confused as him
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I'm saying there's a lot of myth built around Rafa.

But he's no different from most others - only interested in himself.
 
If he knew he was in line for another job but hung on to get his contract part paid off rather than leaving then that is wrong. He knows better than anyone our financial position. Not only can we not afford that pay out but we could have done with compensation if he left.

Mind you, we don't know what happened at all
 
I don't agree with Whaddapie regarding him signing for Inter. He's entitled to get another job, he's out of work.
I do however think he should have quit after failing to make good his assurances of fourth. If you make a guarentee like that and DONT leave after failing to achieve it, and then take a 6m payoff it makes you a bit fucking shameless/shameful in my eyes.
Mclaren did it with England. He knew he had failed in his basic aim (qualifying for 2008) yet refused to stand down and cost the FA 4m.
But then I hate both chancers so I'm not really suprised by their actions.
 
Neither McClaren nor Rafa is a chancer, and it's an utterly absurd thing to call Benitez, who unsurprisingly will walk into a massive role at a big club.

I also think it's stupid to decide that Benitez doesn't have any genuine feeling for the club, based on he and his minders making a sensible business decision. People also tend to ignore the nature of the job, whether you are a manager or a player, football is, in general, a fairly short career, and affords little job security. Managers and players capitalise as much as they can when they can, because no sympathy will be shown to them on the other side of things. Look at McClaren, had he fucked up this last year, rather than enjoying success, he'd have gone from England manager to utter obscurity in a matter of a couple years. He wouldn't be hired in any significant role for some time.

Also, if I was Benitez, I'd take every fucking cent I could get from G&H, knowing that they'd been penny wise pound foolish in not building on my successes, and courting replacements behind my back.
 
The owners should never have given him such contract in the first place. Nothing wrong from Rafa here. He's getting the Inter job and as someone said yesterday, he wont last a season there if he doesnt change his managerial approach. Mourinho didnt give him a great service there..
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=40514.msg1115435#msg1115435 date=1275983479]
The owners should never have given him such contract in the first place. Nothing wrong from Rafa here. He's getting the Inter job and as someone said yesterday, he wont last a season there if he doesnt change his managerial approach. Mourinho didnt give him a great service there..
[/quote]Rafa will clean up for a few years in Inter mate. He's inherited a top squad. It will take years for him to fuck that up.
 
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