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If not benitez then who?

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Tony Barret wrote a small piece on the times website today, now he raises a point who would actually come in and manage Liverpool and could the owners be trusted to find a replacement. I don't want Benitez gone yet, if you look back to the same point last season United had the same points we have now so I think all the Rafa bashing is a bit premature (Rage take note). However some people need to be careful what they wish for as Benitez maybe the best we can get in the current situation.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/theg...-need-a-new-manager-they-need-new-owners.html

There is a growing feeling, in some quarters, that the time has come for Rafael Benitez, the Liverpool manager, to be relieved of his duties and sent back to Spain with three Premier League defeats in the Anfield club’s first eight games of the season having made knees jerk the length and breadth of the land.

There is a debate to be had about Benitez’s ability to guide Liverpool to the league title and it is one which will become more vociferous and increasingly polarised as the campaign wears on should results fail to pick up significantly. Until and unless he takes his team to the promised land after almost two decades in the wilderness then the Spaniard will be open to criticism, some of it justified and some of it not. That comes with the territory of being the manager of one of the world’s most famous and most successful clubs in a league which is becoming increasingly competitive.

Should Liverpool and Benitez fall short, mitigating circumstances will be put forward by those who believe he really is the real deal with blame for failure being laid at the door of Liverpool’s American owners, while the seemingly growing army of nay’sayers will argue that he has had enough time and enough money to be able to deliver regardless of the shambolic goings-on off the pitch.

That debate is healthy and it is totally justified. Benitez must be subject to the same kind of judgment as his predecessors at Anfield and only time will tell if he can live up to the standards that he set for himself last season when Liverpool fell just four points short of winning that all important first league title since the days when John Barnes’s shorts were tight through choice rather than because of an expanding waistline.

But anyone calling for his removal is missing the target as spectacularly as Ronnie Rosenthal did at Villa Park all those years ago and it is actually as ridiculously misplaced as fans of relegation-threatened clubs who argue that dropping down a division might actually be a good thing.

Firstly, who would make the decision? Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr are the owners and therefore the powerbrokers but they attend Liverpool games about as regularly as they are spoken of in glowing terms, so how could they possibly make an informed judgment about what is best for the team?

The fact that the duo are barely on speaking terms – a situation which won’t have been improved by Gillett wrongly accusing Hicks of being the one who claimed a spade would be in the ground to signal the start of work on Liverpool’s much-promised but still to be delivered new stadium within 60 days of their takeover in February 2007 – so how could they possibly come to a reasoned conclusion about the manager’s position?

There is also the Klinsmann factor to take into account. It was only a couple of years ago when Hicks and Gillett approached Jurgen behind Benitez’s back with a view to the former German international replacing the Spaniard in the Anfield hot seat. Since then, Benitez has guided Liverpool to runners-up spot in the Premier League while Klinsmann is probably now back driving a battered Beetle around Miami’s wonderful Collins Avenue having been found to be totally out of his depth running the show at Bayern Munich. If Jurgen was the answer back then, then heaven knows what the question was that Liverpool’s owners were asking. Would anyone really want them to ask it again?

Of equal importance is the problem which no-one seems to have provided a solution to. That is, who in their right minds would agree to manage a club as dysfunctional as Liverpool have become? Any top manager with a modicum of common sense would surely run a mile if offered the position. The job description would allude to running one of the world’s greatest clubs, working with players of renowned ability like Steven Gerrard, Pepe Reina and Fernando Torres and an opportunity to become an absolute legend to fans who crave success.

The reality, though, would be a job in which you have no guaranteed money to spend; an interest repayment-inspired book-balancing exercise that does not allow you to compete in the transfer market; owners who have failed to provide the kind of leadership which makes a manager’s job easier; the possibility of new investors coming in and not particularly fancying you; the kind of instability and disunity which makes progress, if not impossible, then certainly difficult in the extreme; and all this without a reduction in sky high expectations.

Liverpool do not need a change of manager. They need new owners, the kind who can make a proper, reasoned judgment of how their manager is performing. Until they have that then replacing Rafael Benitez would be about as logical as an argument put forward by George Gillett Jr.
 
I am convinced Rafa is the best we can get right now. If you look around Europe there just aren't many top managers, never mind young-ish ones who can come in and do a job on a budget.
 
That's a real 'have your cake and eat it' piece by Tony, but at least he's miles ahead of Bascombe in the integrity stakes as a national journalist (he's too good to be classed as a hack). It fills some space, but it's incredibly vague - probably for the best of reasons - and leaves you wondering what exactly it was trying to discuss.
 
There was more to the article at the end that slammed Ferguson in a way no other national journalist has. That was less vague and much more direct. I enjoyed that bit.
 
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There was more to the article at the end that slammed Ferguson in a way no other national journalist has. That was less vague and much more direct. I enjoyed that bit.
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The point aswell about Ken Bates and the match against us the other week, I wasn't aware of at all.

What a cunt!
 
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I am convinced Rafa is the best we can get right now. If you look around Europe there just aren't many top managers, never mind young-ish ones who can come in and do a job on a budget.
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I'd wait until the end of the season before let Rafael go. That way is safer as players have more time for the new manager and for the new manager to prepare the team for next season.

Capello would be available by then too.
 
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I am convinced Rafa is the best we can get right now. If you look around Europe there just aren't many top managers, never mind young-ish ones who can come in and do a job on a budget.
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I'd wait until the end of the season before let Rafael go. That way is safer as players have more time for the new manager and for the new manager to prepare the team for next season.

Capello would be available by then too.
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Capello isn't better than Rafa.
 
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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=36324.msg959496#msg959496 date=1254933297]
I am convinced Rafa is the best we can get right now. If you look around Europe there just aren't many top managers, never mind young-ish ones who can come in and do a job on a budget.
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I'd wait until the end of the season before let Rafael go. That way is safer as players have more time for the new manager and for the new manager to prepare the team for next season.

Capello would be available by then too.
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Capello isn't better than Rafa.
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Capello isn't better than Rafael? I PISS on this statement. Seriously.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36324.msg959500#msg959500 date=1254933959]
That's a real 'have your cake and eat it' piece by Tony, but at least he's miles ahead of Bascombe in the integrity stakes as a national journalist (he's too good to be classed as a hack). It fills some space, but it's incredibly vague - probably for the best of reasons - and leaves you wondering what exactly it was trying to discuss.
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I don't know - he's simply saying what's been said a thousand times on Liverpool forums over the past couple years and that is that as long as the Yanks are in charge, the safest course of action is to trust in Rafa to keep the club going / progressing.
 
Despite Rafa's perplexing Lucas fixation I still believe 100% that he's the best man for the job.
 
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Despite Rafa's perplexing Lucas fixation I still believe 100% that he's the best man for the job.
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Heh. A year ago, everyone whinged about Rafa's 'Kuyt fixation'.
 
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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=36324.msg959496#msg959496 date=1254933297]
I am convinced Rafa is the best we can get right now. If you look around Europe there just aren't many top managers, never mind young-ish ones who can come in and do a job on a budget.
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I'd wait until the end of the season before let Rafael go. That way is safer as players have more time for the new manager and for the new manager to prepare the team for next season.

Capello would be available by then too.
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Your signature says time's up but still you'd wait until the end of the season? Make up your mind.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36324.msg959500#msg959500 date=1254933959]
That's a real 'have your cake and eat it' piece by Tony, but at least he's miles ahead of Bascombe in the integrity stakes as a national journalist (he's too good to be classed as a hack). It fills some space, but it's incredibly vague - probably for the best of reasons - and leaves you wondering what exactly it was trying to discuss.
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Plenty of people on other forums (the ones worth reading) have suggested Barrett and Benitez are very close, akin to the Houllier-Bascombe relationship (without the squeamish side), so articles like this and Barrett's recent eulogising of all things Rafa come as no surprise. I quite like Barrett, although I'm stunned he's happy to put his name to a lot of that TimesOnline stuff, which is laughable at best.
 
It's a bollocks article.

If he is chummy with Rafa, as Ryan says, it makes sense, and I can see the motive.

I don't think the club is so "dysfunctional " as to put any serious suitors off, there are plenty of top managers that have gone to clubs in far more serious situations.

Ironically, part of the dysfunctionality is caused by the manager himself and his relationship with the owners.

With the news today that Gillet might be bailing out and therefore new money arriving, does that then, on Barrat's argument, put the manager in a difficult position?

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36324.msg959731#msg959731 date=1254992519]
It's a bollocks article.

If he is chummy with Rafa, as Ryan says, it makes sense, and I can see the motive.

I don't think the club is so "dysfunctional " as to put any serious suitors off, there are plenty of top managers that have gone to clubs in far more serious situations.

Ironically, part of the dysfunctionality is caused by the manager himself and his relationship with the owners.

With the news today that Gillet might be bailing out and therefore new money arriving, does that then, on Barrat's argument, put the manager in a difficult position?

regards
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It's aimed at no one else than the Sky generation of Supporters we've got whose opinions on Rafa change on a weekly basis, in my opinion.
 
the whole "is rafa the man" question could be redundant again if we win the next 5 games.

Football can change quickly
 
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Mourinho
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If Mourinho couldn't get along with one of the richest, most generous owners in world football, I doubt his chances alongside two backstabbing, lying Americans. Don't you?

Besides, after going after Klinsmann, I reckon Paul fucking Sturrock is the man they'd opt for.
 
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the whole "is rafa the man" question could be redundant again if we win the next 5 games.

Football can change quickly
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football changes with every game, such is the nature of the fickle fan.
 
Pretty poor in every sense really - and done to death on forums such as this one too.

No one can really be sure if punting Rafa would be a leap out of the frying pan or a final thrust to the summit; either is possible.

I personally think that it's unlikely we would find a significant improvement out there in the world of management but to suggest that we're that dysfunctional is hyperbole at best and libel at worst.

There's plenty to like about where Liverpool is right now and there would be plenty of managers who would love the opportunity we present.
 
Blah blah blah...i thought this shit wouldnt start til at least after christmas this year. Hope all you doubters have a serious amount of egg on your face at seasons end. Rafas the best man for the job. Jesus a few hiccups and ye start running for the emergency room.
 
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