I'm not reading this thread but Crouch is a top striker, anyone who doesnt think he is is a prick. Heskey, no thanks. He's toilet duck.
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Capello said: "I know Crouch well. He is one part of the squad and I know he has scored a lot of goals. He is a very good player and he scores goals whether he plays from the start, or if he comes on for 20 minutes. That is very important.â€
Crouch hopes he has given Capello a selection headache after continuing his prolific goalscoring run for the national team.
The striker took his goal tally to 16 in 17 starts for his country and said: "I am proud of my record for England but it is made a lot easier when you are playing with world class players who create chances for you. Thankfully I’ve been able to take a few.
“It was very enjoyable. It is good to finish the qualifying campaign on a winning note at Wembley and take that into the World Cup. For me personally, I was pleased to get a couple of goals.
"Have I given the manager a bit of food for thought? Yes. All I can do when given an opportunity is to try to take it and the goals help and hopefully my performance has given him something to think about.
"People keep asking me that question and I seem to always be saying that. I am pleased with the way it went. But we have got some fantastic competition for places, certainly in the striking area, and all I can do is to score goals and hopefully get a chance."
Crouch hopes he has given Capello a selection headache after continuing his prolific goalscoring run for the national team.
The striker took his goal tally to 16 in 17 starts for his country and said: "I am proud of my record for England but it is made a lot easier when you are playing with world class players who create chances for you. Thankfully I’ve been able to take a few.
“It was very enjoyable. It is good to finish the qualifying campaign on a winning note at Wembley and take that into the World Cup. For me personally, I was pleased to get a couple of goals.
"Have I given the manager a bit of food for thought? Yes. All I can do when given an opportunity is to try to take it and the goals help and hopefully my performance has given him something to think about.
"People keep asking me that question and I seem to always be saying that. I am pleased with the way it went. But we have got some fantastic competition for places, certainly in the striking area, and all I can do is to score goals and hopefully get a chance."
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36391.msg963202#msg963202 date=1255620192]
The striker took his goal tally to 16 in 17 starts for his country and said: "I am proud of my record for England but it is made a lot easier when you are playing with world class players who create chances for you. Thankfully I’ve been able to take a few.[/quote]
Hmmm, that is definitely the mark of a great striker - a great strike rate against the mighty minnows of int'l football!
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963202#msg963202 date=1255620192]
Crouch is a top striker[/quote]
No he isn't, a top striker is Torres. I hope you can see the difference. He's a solid striker who's never hit 20+ premier leauge goals (and probably never will) and will always contribute no matter what team he's on.
The striker took his goal tally to 16 in 17 starts for his country and said: "I am proud of my record for England but it is made a lot easier when you are playing with world class players who create chances for you. Thankfully I’ve been able to take a few.[/quote]
Hmmm, that is definitely the mark of a great striker - a great strike rate against the mighty minnows of int'l football!
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963202#msg963202 date=1255620192]
Crouch is a top striker[/quote]
No he isn't, a top striker is Torres. I hope you can see the difference. He's a solid striker who's never hit 20+ premier leauge goals (and probably never will) and will always contribute no matter what team he's on.
wrt your longer response Mark, we'll have to agree to disagree. I still find you're far harsher on Babel than any other player - but hey, c'est la vie.
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.
Why has he been "messed about" his whole career? Rafa for one stuck with him when he was getting absolutely slaughtered for that run without a goal.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36391.msg963228#msg963228 date=1255622972]
Why has he been "messed about" his whole career? Rafa for one stuck with him when he was getting absolutely slaughtered for that run without a goal.
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That's true, you're 100% correct. Nice one.
Apologies.
Why has he been "messed about" his whole career? Rafa for one stuck with him when he was getting absolutely slaughtered for that run without a goal.
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That's true, you're 100% correct. Nice one.
Apologies.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36391.msg963166#msg963166 date=1255617841]
Being dropped after one bad performance could be considered harsh for any player, I admit, but we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, what Rafa sees in training, etc. Crouch was treated similar in his second and third seasons. He'd come in, do well and get dropped, the brace against Gala springs to mind. He was dropped three days later for the defeat at Bolton. So for all the initial backing he got, he was treated as bad (or worse) than Babel has been at times.
The problem with Babel performing badly in that first game was that he'd promised a fair bit more preseason, was given a chance in the opening fixture (how much more backing can you get?) and succumbed to his usual lacklustre self. We'd been there before loads of times, where you hope this is the game that he gets it together. I've lost count of the amount of times I've thought (hoped) that when he's played.
Yeah the whole team was bad, but like I said, we've been here before with Babel. He's a potential match winner and these are the kind of games, when others are playing poorly, where you want someone like him to step up and make a difference and make something happen, because he's capable of it, we've seen it with Yossi.
Regards him impacting on games "far more in his 1st season than Crouch did...".
Why exaggerate?
2005-2006
Crouch: 47 apps, 13 goals
2006-2007
Crouch: 46 apps, 17 goals
2007-2008
Babel: 49 apps, 10 goals
Crouch: 31 apps, 11 goals
2008-2009
Babel: 38 apps, 4 goals
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2 things mark, 1) crouch played pretty much every game through the middle and 2) crouch started the majority of his games until his final season where he became a bit part player.
Being dropped after one bad performance could be considered harsh for any player, I admit, but we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, what Rafa sees in training, etc. Crouch was treated similar in his second and third seasons. He'd come in, do well and get dropped, the brace against Gala springs to mind. He was dropped three days later for the defeat at Bolton. So for all the initial backing he got, he was treated as bad (or worse) than Babel has been at times.
The problem with Babel performing badly in that first game was that he'd promised a fair bit more preseason, was given a chance in the opening fixture (how much more backing can you get?) and succumbed to his usual lacklustre self. We'd been there before loads of times, where you hope this is the game that he gets it together. I've lost count of the amount of times I've thought (hoped) that when he's played.
Yeah the whole team was bad, but like I said, we've been here before with Babel. He's a potential match winner and these are the kind of games, when others are playing poorly, where you want someone like him to step up and make a difference and make something happen, because he's capable of it, we've seen it with Yossi.
Regards him impacting on games "far more in his 1st season than Crouch did...".
Why exaggerate?
2005-2006
Crouch: 47 apps, 13 goals
2006-2007
Crouch: 46 apps, 17 goals
2007-2008
Babel: 49 apps, 10 goals
Crouch: 31 apps, 11 goals
2008-2009
Babel: 38 apps, 4 goals
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2 things mark, 1) crouch played pretty much every game through the middle and 2) crouch started the majority of his games until his final season where he became a bit part player.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=36391.msg963010#msg963010 date=1255606230]
I think that one day someone will say something about Crouch at just the wrong time around Mark and that'll be the end of him.
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Heh 😀, I just think he comes in for some unwarranted and often hypocritical stick..
He comes in, gets a chance, scores two goals. He doesn't let his head drop no matter what gets thrown his way. [/quote]
I could say the exact same thing about the way Babel is treated by most posters here. He scores a goal against the Mancs (albeit a 'shank') and assists in the next game on the game winning goal, and people say the usual shit.
Crouch is an average player ... as is Heskey. Heskey suits Capello more than Crouch. And that's about it really.
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Come on Wiz, did you miss out my last sentence completely? He doesn't let his head drop no matter what gets thrown his way
You act like that United game is symptomatic of Babel's Liverpool career, there's been plenty of times when he's had chances and been shite, far more times that when he's actually come in and done something.
Besides, he's done well of late and been acknowledged for it, myself included, so it's hardly the same. If we're talking about attitude and confidence, Crouch has it, unlike those spades,Heskey and Babel.
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*massive shock that Pa Walton went "there" smilie*
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36391.msg963106#msg963106 date=1255612929]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36391.msg963090#msg963090 date=1255611617]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36391.msg963010#msg963010 date=1255606230]
I think that one day someone will say something about Crouch at just the wrong time around Mark and that'll be the end of him.
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Heh 😀, I just think he comes in for some unwarranted and often hypocritical stick..
He comes in, gets a chance, scores two goals. He doesn't let his head drop no matter what gets thrown his way. [/quote]
I could say the exact same thing about the way Babel is treated by most posters here. He scores a goal against the Mancs (albeit a 'shank') and assists in the next game on the game winning goal, and people say the usual shit.
Crouch is an average player ... as is Heskey. Heskey suits Capello more than Crouch. And that's about it really.
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Come on Wiz, did you miss out my last sentence completely? He doesn't let his head drop no matter what gets thrown his way
You act like that United game is symptomatic of Babel's Liverpool career, there's been plenty of times when he's had chances and been shite, far more times that when he's actually come in and done something.
Besides, he's done well of late and been acknowledged for it, myself included, so it's hardly the same. If we're talking about attitude and confidence, Crouch has it, unlike those spades,Heskey and Babel.
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*massive shock that Pa Walton went "there" smilie*
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36391.msg963234#msg963234 date=1255623731]
2 things mark, 1) crouch played pretty much every game through the middle and 2) crouch started the majority of his games until his final season where he became a bit part player.
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He was pissed about throughout his second season at Kuyt's expense, remember? Infact, wasn't that Gala game, when he scored two, in his second season?
2 things mark, 1) crouch played pretty much every game through the middle and 2) crouch started the majority of his games until his final season where he became a bit part player.
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He was pissed about throughout his second season at Kuyt's expense, remember? Infact, wasn't that Gala game, when he scored two, in his second season?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36391.msg963246#msg963246 date=1255626133]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36391.msg963234#msg963234 date=1255623731]
2 things mark, 1) crouch played pretty much every game through the middle and 2) crouch started the majority of his games until his final season where he became a bit part player.
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He was pissed about throughout his second season at Kuyt's expense, remember? Infact, wasn't that Gala game, when he scored two, in his second season?
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personally I think rafa always wanted kuyt but got crouch instead and then got kuyt when he became available.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36391.msg963234#msg963234 date=1255623731]
2 things mark, 1) crouch played pretty much every game through the middle and 2) crouch started the majority of his games until his final season where he became a bit part player.
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He was pissed about throughout his second season at Kuyt's expense, remember? Infact, wasn't that Gala game, when he scored two, in his second season?
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personally I think rafa always wanted kuyt but got crouch instead and then got kuyt when he became available.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963219#msg963219 date=1255622120]
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.[/quote]
I guess you think Landon Donovan is a Top Striker too, eh?
You know everything about everything!
Congrats
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.[/quote]
I guess you think Landon Donovan is a Top Striker too, eh?
You know everything about everything!
Congrats
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36391.msg963275#msg963275 date=1255628964]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963219#msg963219 date=1255622120]
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.[/quote]
I guess you think Landon Donovan is a Top Striker too, eh?
You know everything about everything!
Congrats
[/quote]
No he's rubbish.
Thanks!
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963219#msg963219 date=1255622120]
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.[/quote]
I guess you think Landon Donovan is a Top Striker too, eh?
You know everything about everything!
Congrats
[/quote]
No he's rubbish.
Thanks!
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36391.msg963275#msg963275 date=1255628964]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963219#msg963219 date=1255622120]
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.[/quote]
I guess you think Landon Donovan is a Top Striker too, eh?
You know everything about everything!
Congrats
[/quote]
No he's rubbish.
Thanks![/quote]
But his int'l goal rate, considering his age, is superb!
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36391.msg963275#msg963275 date=1255628964]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36391.msg963219#msg963219 date=1255622120]
So, you don't think 18 in 35 is a good International strike rate despite being messed around your whole career?
Your choice.
Although your choice = Knows fuck all about fuck all!
Congrats.[/quote]
I guess you think Landon Donovan is a Top Striker too, eh?
You know everything about everything!
Congrats
[/quote]
No he's rubbish.
Thanks![/quote]
But his int'l goal rate, considering his age, is superb!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36391.msg962846#msg962846 date=1255589701]
This argument about Crouch has annoyed the fuck out of me for years.
When he was here and struggling to score, all we got was 'strikers score goals'. Now Heskey is deemed better than him?? Give me a break.
Crouch is technically better and better at scoring goals, his goals to games ratio over the past couple of years at domestic and International level is excellent, and you only have to watch the kind of goals he scores: Headers, tap-ins, outrageous goals (the kind you want to see from top players).
Heskey is big, mobile and built like a heavy weight boxer. Yeah he's effective in allowing others to play, but that doesn't make him a good 'footballer' it makes him a hugely effective option, but one with little end product of his own in terms of genuine direct threat.
If that makes him a better 'footballer' than I despair. Once again Crouch is being given a massive disservice, he comes in, scores more goals than Heskey has scored since his return to the England fold and is STILL being compared unfavourably to one of the biggest annoyances in English football. Heskey is a nice lad and all, but he's still got the same issues now that have dogged his career: He's a striker that doesn't score goals and is hampered by his own self confidence.
Crouch is the contrary.
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Here's one for you - Crouch may not even get selected for the World Cup squad.
This argument about Crouch has annoyed the fuck out of me for years.
When he was here and struggling to score, all we got was 'strikers score goals'. Now Heskey is deemed better than him?? Give me a break.
Crouch is technically better and better at scoring goals, his goals to games ratio over the past couple of years at domestic and International level is excellent, and you only have to watch the kind of goals he scores: Headers, tap-ins, outrageous goals (the kind you want to see from top players).
Heskey is big, mobile and built like a heavy weight boxer. Yeah he's effective in allowing others to play, but that doesn't make him a good 'footballer' it makes him a hugely effective option, but one with little end product of his own in terms of genuine direct threat.
If that makes him a better 'footballer' than I despair. Once again Crouch is being given a massive disservice, he comes in, scores more goals than Heskey has scored since his return to the England fold and is STILL being compared unfavourably to one of the biggest annoyances in English football. Heskey is a nice lad and all, but he's still got the same issues now that have dogged his career: He's a striker that doesn't score goals and is hampered by his own self confidence.
Crouch is the contrary.
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Here's one for you - Crouch may not even get selected for the World Cup squad.
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