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"He's better than I thought he'd be"

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I hope we continue to cultivate strong ties with Stoke so we can send them Carroll (who fits their game) and Downing (who was bought to fit Carroll's game). Along with Adam, that'd mean we've shipped most of our mistakes of last season off to the lovable Pulis. Let's do it!
 
StevieM said:
Everton... did that article say Everton where interested.... fuck me... that would be a triple win... getting rid of the useless fucker... getting some money for him... and getting to laugh at Everton for signing him.
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I wonder. Moyes has worked miracles there turning crap into crystal. If anybody could make the best of whatever Downing has left, it's he.
 
Downing to Everton for £10m would be a great deal for both clubs, wouldn't need to move either.
 
Rosco said:
Hansern that is a complete load of rubbish.

If he simply lacks the bollocks (the same was said of Keane btw), then as soon as he's not at a 'top club' he'll play like he did before, won't he?

He won't though, he isn't better than what he's showing. He is what he is, his best seasons are in the past. And you didn't need to be a football scout to recognise that. All you need to do is not get caught up in
nonsensical ideas based on stupid journos mutterings.

We bought a lemon.
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Tbh I couldnt care what you think is rubbish or not, but lets just wait and see when he starts playing for someone else.
Strange that well paid respected managers with years and years of experience still buy players over the age of 28+, yet Ross of the internet says they're best season are behind them and that thety shouldnt bes signed.

With that logic Fergie shouldnt have signed RVP.

Downing is what he is, and in hindsight (which is excellent to have when you dont have the bollocks to argue in a positive way for a player) we shouldnt have signed him. The fee was ridiculous.


At 28, he'll get back to being a good premiership footballer, just like he was when we bought him.
I look forward to keeping an eye on how he's performing, or for that matter other 28+ year olds that moves from one club to another and perform well.

Just to prove you dont know your arse from your elbow.
 
Hansern you advocated signing this cunt for 20m, now you're inventing bullshit reasons to excuse your hopeless inability to judge anything.

Your use of RVP as a reason why signing Downing wasn't a bad idea just furthers the idea that you haven't a fucking notion. RVP hasn't been a painfully average player for 8 years, he's been a talented injury prone one. So not like Downing in any fucking way.

I don't see why you continue to argue when you couldn't have been more wrong from the outset.
 
Hahaha!

Your argument in general, and not this particular topic, is that players over a certain age shouldnt be signed? Correct?
Thats at least your every argument in player threads were they are 27/28+.

As for Downing, yes I wanted us to sign him. Not for 20 mill. But he was a very good player for Villa, and nobody would have thought he'd turn out this bad.
Sadly its much easier to be a negative troll than actually advocating signing a player that several others dont want.

Lets just get it straight, Downing and RVP have nothing in common, I'm not even in the slightest suggesting
that. Dont twist my post into something its not.
You say Downing is past it, I say its bollocks and at 28 he'll still be a good player for the right club.
Thats the argument.

Downing wants to drop down a division to play for Boro, a familiar club in familiar circumstances.
What does that tell you about him??
 
And the I dont know what I'm talking about because I wanted us to sign Downing is the shittest argument ever. Support a player once in a while that you think is good but might not cut it. I'm guessing you wont though, as it could effect your all knowing bullshit attitude.
 
Hansern said:
Hahaha!

Your argument in general, and not this particular topic, is that players over a certain age shouldnt be signed? Correct?
Thats at least your every argument in player threads were they are 27/28+.

As for Downing, yes I wanted us to sign him. Not for 20 mill. But he was a very good player for Villa, and nobody would have thought he'd turn out this bad.
Sadly its much easier to be a negative troll than actually advocating signing a player that several others dont want.

Lets just get it straight, Downing and RVP have nothing in common, I'm not even in the slightest suggesting
that. Dont twist my post into something its not.
You say Downing is past it, I say its bollocks and at 28 he'll still be a good player for the right club.
Thats the argument.

Downing wants to drop down a division to play for Boro, a familiar club in familiar circumstances.
What does that tell you about him??
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That he's shit and past it?
 
No, that he hasnt got any confidence or the mentality to make it.

The shite part is true though, but past it is a ridiculous argument.
 
Right at this minute we shouldn't sign 28 year olds.

If you finish second and are within seconds of winning a title, signing 28 year olds can make sense
 
Rosco said:
Right at this minute we shouldn't sign 28 year olds.

If you finish second and are within seconds of winning a title, signing 28 year olds can make sense
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My argument in that debate is that you have to look at every player in question before deciding that. It cant be a simple yes/no.

Loads of players that are 28 that could serve us for 4 years or more and be excellent signings.
Its our shitty transfer policy for years that have got us here though. Signing shite players that we have to give away. If those players had been good nobody would have cared if they were 24 or 29.
 
Rosco said:
The right club for Downing is a Championship one Hansern, want to guess why?
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Thats his wish, apperantly several Premiership clubs are interested. I'd rather sell him to Everton than loan him out.

It tells me more that he's running home.
 
We should send him on tour with Rafa.
During speaking breaks, Downing can do his "mad skillz with binz!!!" piece.
 
Rosco said:
Right at this minute we shouldn't sign 28 year olds.​
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If you finish second and are within seconds of winning a title, signing 28 year olds can make sense​
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I agree in general with this sentiment. However, for Downing my feeling at the time was that we knew Sterling was a couple of years off, and Downing was the right age to do the job in the interim, and to get a reasonable return when Sterling was ready. If Downing had been 5 times the player he has turned out, that would be looking like a good decision right now.
 
Your logic is right, we needed a stopgap.

You don't spend 20m and 20m in wages for stopgaps though
 
Maybe you do if they are good enough, and you think they can make enough of a difference short-term. Looks like a huge extravagance, and obviously a huge mistake now. Then, there was some justification.
 
There really wasn't. It was the most obviously disastrous signing I can remember, even more so than Carroll.
 
I think it's time to re-bump some of last summer's Downing threads. I do remember Mark1975 was all for it.
 
I'd not waste my time Hayden Mullins... 😉
We've all got a player we've been hopelessly wrong about. Mine is Downing, and it will stick for a long time.
 
Hansern said:
I'd not waste my time Hayden Mullins... 😉
We've all got a player we've been hopelessly wrong about. Mine is Downing, and it will stick for a long time.
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I suggested Mullins could play for England due to his good form for West Ham at the time.

You thought 55 million pounds on Carroll and Downing was wonderful.

There's a fucking difference mate.
 
I remember being dead against Downing. Can someone dig up the old threads? I was a bit squeamish about the Carroll fee, but I did think he could become a good player for us. How wrong I was. I still think he will be a decent player, mind.
 
Like with Carroll, the money is gone. There is no point sweating over it anymore - we've done it to death and then some. The important thing is that Downing is removed from our consciousness and we can begin to forget he ever existed.
 
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