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IF you win the CL you can get about 70 mill + next season.
Qualifying for the group stages is worth 8,9 mill. Tv money could be between 78-93 mill and then divided between the 4 English teams. And then about 40 mill in prize money IF you go all the way.
Sorry I over estimated my figures.
Just for the group stages it is expected clubs will receive 40 - 45 million in TV revenue alone.. and increase in around 15 million on previous sesons..
old article but covers what we really need to know..
BT's acquisition of the Broadcasting Rights for Champions League and Europa League football has significant implications for the English game. On the face of it, paying an increased sum for exclusive TV rights seems to be just an extension of current trends. However, when we look at the huge sums involved and calculate the financial impact on the clubs involved, it becomes clear that this deal will have far-reaching consequences.
To put this new deal in perspective, in 2011/12, UEFA received £906m in total for the TV rights for the Champions League (£735m) and Europa League (£171m). Of this, £144m (16%) came from England (£133m for CL and £11m for EL). Under the new deal, BT will pay UEFA £299m each year for both competitions.
Essentially, the process works as follows: UEFA receives income from TV rights and from Commercial sponsorship (such as Gazprom) and then redistributes most of it back to the competing clubs (keeping around 25% to distribute for football development across Europe and to pay their admin costs). A key element is the 'Market Pool', through which clubs receive a payment simply for taking part on the competition, determined by the percentage of all TV rights paid by their national TV companies. In 2012/13, whereas clubs from Russia each received around £5m as a Market Pool payment, English clubs received around £15m each. It is this Market Pool payment that will be most significantly increased as result of the new deal.
Before I show the extra cash that could be available to English CL clubs from 2015/16, we need to take out the Europa League element. Under the old Europa League deal, ITV pay around £11m for their rights. I have therefore assumed that BT managed to acquire their new exclusive rights for around twice that (£22m). Therefore, out of the £299m a year that BT will pay, I have assumed that £277m pa is for for the CL rights - this represents an increase of £143.7m pa over the old deal
The precise workings of the UEFA distribution model can change from year to year. However, there is a key constant: UEFA's most recent Financial Report (2011/12) confirms that consistently, 42.5% of UEFA's total TV rights for the CL are paid back to clubs as the Market Pool. Keeping this ratio, we can expect that out of the £143.7m uplift paid by BT each year, an additional £61.1 will be distributed back to the Market Pool. With 10% of this Pool allocated to Scottish clubs, this leaves an extra £55m for the English Champions League teams.
With 4 clubs taking part in the Champions League, this works out to an average of around £14m extra each year per club. This is a huge amount as can be seen from the total CL receipts the clubs would have received if the the deal had been in place for last season. Just getting to the Group Stage could deliver around £40m+ of income to the club.
This projection carries a significant number of caveats - however, the actual figures that the PL clubs receive are likely to be even higher - the extra BT cash and UEFA's increased commercial deals will help to push up the other elements of the distribution model. It is worth pointing out that the Europa League is a very poor substitute and will generate somewhere around £8-10m per annum per competing English club.
We need to put the figures into some kind of context to understand just how huge they are. Here are Aston Villa's turnover figures for the 2011/12 season:
Aston Villa received £33.6m from their combined Ticket Sales, Match-day income and Sponsorship for the season. This is significantly less than an English Champions League team would receive if it lost every game in the Group Stage. The uplift in income arising form the BT deal (around £14m on average) isn't far short of Villa's entire Ticket Sales and Match-day income. By way of another illustration, Liverpool's entire Match-Day income is around £42m a year.
With £40m+ available for getting into the Champions League, the stakes are raised significantly. There are currently 6 clubs that start each season with realistic expectations of securing a CL place - two will miss-out and few managers will probably survive the failure.
The clamour to secure a CL slot for the 2015/16 competition will extraordinarily intense.
The huge CL payments could well kill-off any remaining appeal of the FA Cup or League Cup for the top clubs. Why would a club fighting for a share of the £40m (and managerial survival), expend any energies on the FA Cup? Unless the distribution model changes we can fully expect to see FA Cup semi-finals with a clubs fielding weakened teams.
The figures are so huge that the difference between the 'haves' and 'have nots' may be considered simply too large for the general good of the Premier League. However CL clubs may well be resistant to sharing some of the money that they have 'earned' with their less successful peers.
There is, however, the interesting though unlikely potential of a change in the footballing order. Although it is an outside bet, if a club like Southampton or Everton were to secure a CL slot for 2015/16, they might be able to use their extra £40m to embed themselves as a CL regular. With the new spending constraint rules in place in the Premier League and UEFA's FFP rules, even historically wealthy clubs and those with a wealthy benefactor are going to find it difficult to displace an entrenched Champions League club. Any club not on the 4-seater Champions League bus in 2015/16 will seriously struggle to catch up.
For Spurs and Liverpool, the stakes are raised and many fans may feel it is a case of 'now or never'. For Manchester United, this is certainly not the time to have any post-Ferguson wobbles. Indeed, history might look back on Manchester United and conclude that his greatest failing was to retire two years too early.
BT's acquisition of the Broadcasting Rights for Champions League and Europa League football has significant implications for the English game. On the face of it, paying an increased sum for exclusive TV rights seems to be just an extension of current trends. However, when we look at the huge sums involved and calculate the financial impact on the clubs involved, it becomes clear that this deal will have far-reaching consequences.
To put this new deal in perspective, in 2011/12, UEFA received £906m in total for the TV rights for the Champions League (£735m) and Europa League (£171m). Of this, £144m (16%) came from England (£133m for CL and £11m for EL). Under the new deal, BT will pay UEFA £299m each year for both competitions.
Essentially, the process works as follows: UEFA receives income from TV rights and from Commercial sponsorship (such as Gazprom) and then redistributes most of it back to the competing clubs (keeping around 25% to distribute for football development across Europe and to pay their admin costs). A key element is the 'Market Pool', through which clubs receive a payment simply for taking part on the competition, determined by the percentage of all TV rights paid by their national TV companies. In 2012/13, whereas clubs from Russia each received around £5m as a Market Pool payment, English clubs received around £15m each. It is this Market Pool payment that will be most significantly increased as result of the new deal.
Before I show the extra cash that could be available to English CL clubs from 2015/16, we need to take out the Europa League element. Under the old Europa League deal, ITV pay around £11m for their rights. I have therefore assumed that BT managed to acquire their new exclusive rights for around twice that (£22m). Therefore, out of the £299m a year that BT will pay, I have assumed that £277m pa is for for the CL rights - this represents an increase of £143.7m pa over the old deal
The precise workings of the UEFA distribution model can change from year to year. However, there is a key constant: UEFA's most recent Financial Report (2011/12) confirms that consistently, 42.5% of UEFA's total TV rights for the CL are paid back to clubs as the Market Pool. Keeping this ratio, we can expect that out of the £143.7m uplift paid by BT each year, an additional £61.1 will be distributed back to the Market Pool. With 10% of this Pool allocated to Scottish clubs, this leaves an extra £55m for the English Champions League teams.
With 4 clubs taking part in the Champions League, this works out to an average of around £14m extra each year per club. This is a huge amount as can be seen from the total CL receipts the clubs would have received if the the deal had been in place for last season. Just getting to the Group Stage could deliver around £40m+ of income to the club.
This projection carries a significant number of caveats - however, the actual figures that the PL clubs receive are likely to be even higher - the extra BT cash and UEFA's increased commercial deals will help to push up the other elements of the distribution model. It is worth pointing out that the Europa League is a very poor substitute and will generate somewhere around £8-10m per annum per competing English club.
We need to put the figures into some kind of context to understand just how huge they are. Here are Aston Villa's turnover figures for the 2011/12 season:
Aston Villa received £33.6m from their combined Ticket Sales, Match-day income and Sponsorship for the season. This is significantly less than an English Champions League team would receive if it lost every game in the Group Stage. The uplift in income arising form the BT deal (around £14m on average) isn't far short of Villa's entire Ticket Sales and Match-day income. By way of another illustration, Liverpool's entire Match-Day income is around £42m a year.
With £40m+ available for getting into the Champions League, the stakes are raised significantly. There are currently 6 clubs that start each season with realistic expectations of securing a CL place - two will miss-out and few managers will probably survive the failure.
The clamour to secure a CL slot for the 2015/16 competition will extraordinarily intense.
The huge CL payments could well kill-off any remaining appeal of the FA Cup or League Cup for the top clubs. Why would a club fighting for a share of the £40m (and managerial survival), expend any energies on the FA Cup? Unless the distribution model changes we can fully expect to see FA Cup semi-finals with a clubs fielding weakened teams.
The figures are so huge that the difference between the 'haves' and 'have nots' may be considered simply too large for the general good of the Premier League. However CL clubs may well be resistant to sharing some of the money that they have 'earned' with their less successful peers.
There is, however, the interesting though unlikely potential of a change in the footballing order. Although it is an outside bet, if a club like Southampton or Everton were to secure a CL slot for 2015/16, they might be able to use their extra £40m to embed themselves as a CL regular. With the new spending constraint rules in place in the Premier League and UEFA's FFP rules, even historically wealthy clubs and those with a wealthy benefactor are going to find it difficult to displace an entrenched Champions League club. Any club not on the 4-seater Champions League bus in 2015/16 will seriously struggle to catch up.
For Spurs and Liverpool, the stakes are raised and many fans may feel it is a case of 'now or never'. For Manchester United, this is certainly not the time to have any post-Ferguson wobbles. Indeed, history might look back on Manchester United and conclude that his greatest failing was to retire two years too early.
Could you guys not just agree to disagree? I'm coming into the "Henderson to City" thread and getting my brain fried with figures.
We need to be signing up more players that give great performances not decent. Although I do think we should keep Henderson*.
* Unless city offer us 10 milllion billions.
I'd sell him for a Curly Wurly if it meant I didn't have to listen to that monstrosity of a song we have for him.
I love all the facts - better to be informed ! Though maybe he should have started new thread.
Sounds like the papers are having a field day making up stories.
Tomorrow it will probably be: Gerrard to be loaned back to Chelsea
Not really, Peter was saying that we're falling further and further away and that failing to qualify for the CL would see us drop further away from challenging. People have been saying that for years but nothings really changed other than the top 7 becoming more competitive anyway, which has affected everyone, not just the also-rans.
It's not "the same fucking difference".
It's early, I'm on annual leave, I've only had one coffee!!
I think the difference in the last few years has been the presence of Suarez. We've always had a world class player (or two) to keep our heads above water (and obviously we've had a few great moments along the way) but over the last years we've struggled to attract new players and are seemingly becoming susceptible to having our players poached by the likes of Arsenal. It's a worsening situation that we can't really allow to continue otherwise I agree with Peter, we will drop further and further away.
I'm amazed at some of the opinions I've seen regarding the CL in this thread.
I'm not saying it doesn't matter, of course it does in the longer term, financially and competitively. My main gripe was with people predicting a further downfall. If we've been shown anything, it's that the slightest thing can change a teams fortunes, like your comment about Suarez, there's a fine line (obviously) between where we are at this season and where we were last, and the year before. So the suggestion that finishing 5-7th means your likely to continue to falter, is wide of the mark. Look at ours and United's last few seasons. If one player can be the difference between 2nd and 5th, then it's not really a mountainous task, it's about getting your decisions right, as I said about our ability in the transfer market.
Well, if he goes for a pittance, you have to blame the board. I can understand not committing to a player who ain't all that, but he's come on well and has been decent for well over a season now. Should have tied this up last season.
Give him the armband and hope that he'll fall for that.
Give him the armband and hope that he'll fall for that.
I tend to think we all pretty much agree but then statements like that stick out and force you into continuing the debate.
The last few years has seen us struggle to attract players and finishing 5th-7th is a big reason for that. We can try and rely on some transfer market magic to improve our situation but everyone is doing the same and we continually discover - it's pretty hard. We're looking at 'potential' a lot of the time and then even when we've tried to spend big, we've repeatedly failed to get our first choice targets.
Utd can throw money at the problem for a good few windows yet and still retain a lot appeal due to the amount of recent success. Even Wenger has been forced into spending to stave off the competition.
We need to address the growing disparity both in terms of appeal and finances by finishing in the CL.
The problem with us is that we keep throwing money at it anyway, instead of waiting for the right player. We missed out on Costa, Willian and a few others, so we spent £20m on Markovic, £20m on Lallana, etc. It's fruitless in the longterm because, unless Lallana has an Indian Summer in his career, or Markovic suddenly clicks into something, then we've pretty much paid £40m+ for players who 10 years back would have been on a par with Nick Barmby and Smicer (for example). It is getting harder and we do find ourselves spending to fill holes, but it has to stop. We need to either be a bit more sensible and go for players who will statistically give us more in the shorter term, or we need to just hold out for the right player at the right price, which we did with Sturridge.
He is in many respects, he can also be incredibly ordinary too, but he's got that passion and desire that you want to see and statistically he's brilliant.
Dont think you can compare Markovic to Barmby/Smicer. We bought potential with Markovic.
Agree with Lallana and the rest mind.
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