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Vlad, did you play "last chicken in Sainsbury's" when you were a kid?
[/quote] Can't say I did JJ. I don't think Sainsburys existed outside London when we were kids. I only remember Tesco, the Co-op and Irwins, Asda was a new kid on the block when I was in my teens
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Raul Miereles
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Vlad, did you play "last chicken in Sainsbury's" when you were a kid?
[/quote] Can't say I did JJ. I don't think Sainsburys existed outside London when we were kids. I only remember Tesco, the Co-op and Irwins, Asda was a new kid on the block when I was in my teens
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JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46792.msg1396417#msg1396417 date=1315576707]
JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
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one of my music teachers played that game
it was called grab the chicken though
JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
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one of my music teachers played that game
it was called grab the chicken though
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46792.msg1396417#msg1396417 date=1315576707]
JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
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That's more or less it, though the version I heard about (via a Billy Connolly routine) involves just holding your todger up so your scrotum's visible, as the latter is what allegedly bears the resemblance.
I never knew such things happened in the august environs of UCD incidentally. ;D
JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
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That's more or less it, though the version I heard about (via a Billy Connolly routine) involves just holding your todger up so your scrotum's visible, as the latter is what allegedly bears the resemblance.
I never knew such things happened in the august environs of UCD incidentally. ;D
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46792.msg1396417#msg1396417 date=1315576707]
JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
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one of my music teachers played that game
it was called grab the chicken though
[/quote]KK?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46792.msg1396417#msg1396417 date=1315576707]
JJ - what was that game ?
I was sitting in a lecture theatre in UCD one day (with about 450 people in it) and a bloke jumped up onto the bench dropped his trousers and started swinging his dick around while shouting "last chicken in Sainsbury's"
That better not be the game.
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one of my music teachers played that game
it was called grab the chicken though
[/quote]KK?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46792.msg1396432#msg1396432 date=1315577650]
worse than that used to happen there
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Spill. 😛olice:
worse than that used to happen there
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Spill. 😛olice:
Liverpool promised Meireles a 100% pay rise if he impressed in his first season in the Premier League, a rise that was never forthcoming despite the playmaker making 35 appearances and scoring five goals.
From the Beeb..
From the Beeb..
I'm over it.
I think there is probably some truth in a contract dispute whatever the details are and I also believe he was attracted to the idea of joining his compatriots at Chelsea when it became clear he wasn't going to be prioritised at Liverpool.
He had a good year for us and I don't harbour any ill-feeling towards him. If he was at a club other than Chelsea I'd have wished him well.
I think there is probably some truth in a contract dispute whatever the details are and I also believe he was attracted to the idea of joining his compatriots at Chelsea when it became clear he wasn't going to be prioritised at Liverpool.
He had a good year for us and I don't harbour any ill-feeling towards him. If he was at a club other than Chelsea I'd have wished him well.
Director of football Damien Comolli has countered accusations from Raul Meireles that Liverpool asked him to hand in a transfer request.
Meireles joined Premier League rivals Chelsea in the final minutes of the transfer deadline day last month in a reported £12million move, a switch that angered many Reds supporters.
The 28-year-old Portugal international last week insisted he never wanted to leave Liverpool but admitted he jumped at the chance to go to Stamford Bridge when it became clear he would be sold.
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, Meireles then accused Liverpool of a broken promise and claimed he was forced to submit a transfer request once they had decided to sell him to Chelsea.
Putting across Liverpool's side, Comolli said on the club's official website in response to questions sent in by supporters: "I think Raul said it himself with what I've seen recently in the press.
"Basically, he came to see me and said 'I want to leave, I want to play for another club'.
"Our intention was not to sell him but we were put in a corner a little bit when he put in a transfer request and said he wanted to go and that he didn't want to play for Liverpool anymore.
"I think the owners and Kenny (Dalglish) have said it, and we all have the same view. When someone doesn't want to be here it's difficult to say 'you are going to stay'.
"We've been through that process in January with Fernando Torres and this felt like the same situation. We've done it, we think it was the right thing to do for the club, because it's very, very difficult to have somebody here who doesn't want to be here.
"The job of the manager in the Premier League is already difficult having to manage 25 players and only having 11 to start on a match day, so you have to deal with all the others.
"On top of that if you have someone who is adamant they don't want to be here and wants to play for someone else, we took the view it's better if he goes and we get the best possible deal for the club. In the end I think we did well."
Meireles joined Premier League rivals Chelsea in the final minutes of the transfer deadline day last month in a reported £12million move, a switch that angered many Reds supporters.
The 28-year-old Portugal international last week insisted he never wanted to leave Liverpool but admitted he jumped at the chance to go to Stamford Bridge when it became clear he would be sold.
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, Meireles then accused Liverpool of a broken promise and claimed he was forced to submit a transfer request once they had decided to sell him to Chelsea.
Putting across Liverpool's side, Comolli said on the club's official website in response to questions sent in by supporters: "I think Raul said it himself with what I've seen recently in the press.
"Basically, he came to see me and said 'I want to leave, I want to play for another club'.
"Our intention was not to sell him but we were put in a corner a little bit when he put in a transfer request and said he wanted to go and that he didn't want to play for Liverpool anymore.
"I think the owners and Kenny (Dalglish) have said it, and we all have the same view. When someone doesn't want to be here it's difficult to say 'you are going to stay'.
"We've been through that process in January with Fernando Torres and this felt like the same situation. We've done it, we think it was the right thing to do for the club, because it's very, very difficult to have somebody here who doesn't want to be here.
"The job of the manager in the Premier League is already difficult having to manage 25 players and only having 11 to start on a match day, so you have to deal with all the others.
"On top of that if you have someone who is adamant they don't want to be here and wants to play for someone else, we took the view it's better if he goes and we get the best possible deal for the club. In the end I think we did well."
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[quote author=the count link=topic=46792.msg1398219#msg1398219 date=1315861036]
Director of football Damien Comolli has countered accusations from Raul Meireles that Liverpool asked him to hand in a transfer request.
Meireles joined Premier League rivals Chelsea in the final minutes of the transfer deadline day last month in a reported £12million move, a switch that angered many Reds supporters.
The 28-year-old Portugal international last week insisted he never wanted to leave Liverpool but admitted he jumped at the chance to go to Stamford Bridge when it became clear he would be sold.
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, Meireles then accused Liverpool of a broken promise and claimed he was forced to submit a transfer request once they had decided to sell him to Chelsea.
Putting across Liverpool's side, Comolli said on the club's official website in response to questions sent in by supporters: "I think Raul said it himself with what I've seen recently in the press.
"Basically, he came to see me and said 'I want to leave, I want to play for another club'.
"Our intention was not to sell him but we were put in a corner a little bit when he put in a transfer request and said he wanted to go and that he didn't want to play for Liverpool anymore.
"I think the owners and Kenny (Dalglish) have said it, and we all have the same view. When someone doesn't want to be here it's difficult to say 'you are going to stay'.
"We've been through that process in January with Fernando Torres and this felt like the same situation. We've done it, we think it was the right thing to do for the club, because it's very, very difficult to have somebody here who doesn't want to be here.
"The job of the manager in the Premier League is already difficult having to manage 25 players and only having 11 to start on a match day, so you have to deal with all the others.
"On top of that if you have someone who is adamant they don't want to be here and wants to play for someone else, we took the view it's better if he goes and we get the best possible deal for the club. In the end I think we did well."
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I do suspect that once Chelsea came in Meireles wanted out but to me it's pretty obvious we were happy enough to sell this summer , most likely to balance the books . Seems that's the one thing the club and owners will refuse to admit for fear of the backlash .
Whatever ......but selling to chelsea ? what the fuck were they thinking ...it wasn't even as if it was a crazy fee we got . It just makes us look weak and again makes us look like a smaller team than chelsea.
Director of football Damien Comolli has countered accusations from Raul Meireles that Liverpool asked him to hand in a transfer request.
Meireles joined Premier League rivals Chelsea in the final minutes of the transfer deadline day last month in a reported £12million move, a switch that angered many Reds supporters.
The 28-year-old Portugal international last week insisted he never wanted to leave Liverpool but admitted he jumped at the chance to go to Stamford Bridge when it became clear he would be sold.
Speaking at a press conference on Monday, Meireles then accused Liverpool of a broken promise and claimed he was forced to submit a transfer request once they had decided to sell him to Chelsea.
Putting across Liverpool's side, Comolli said on the club's official website in response to questions sent in by supporters: "I think Raul said it himself with what I've seen recently in the press.
"Basically, he came to see me and said 'I want to leave, I want to play for another club'.
"Our intention was not to sell him but we were put in a corner a little bit when he put in a transfer request and said he wanted to go and that he didn't want to play for Liverpool anymore.
"I think the owners and Kenny (Dalglish) have said it, and we all have the same view. When someone doesn't want to be here it's difficult to say 'you are going to stay'.
"We've been through that process in January with Fernando Torres and this felt like the same situation. We've done it, we think it was the right thing to do for the club, because it's very, very difficult to have somebody here who doesn't want to be here.
"The job of the manager in the Premier League is already difficult having to manage 25 players and only having 11 to start on a match day, so you have to deal with all the others.
"On top of that if you have someone who is adamant they don't want to be here and wants to play for someone else, we took the view it's better if he goes and we get the best possible deal for the club. In the end I think we did well."
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I do suspect that once Chelsea came in Meireles wanted out but to me it's pretty obvious we were happy enough to sell this summer , most likely to balance the books . Seems that's the one thing the club and owners will refuse to admit for fear of the backlash .
Whatever ......but selling to chelsea ? what the fuck were they thinking ...it wasn't even as if it was a crazy fee we got . It just makes us look weak and again makes us look like a smaller team than chelsea.
Not a very intelligent bit of business from us on paper.
Sell to immediate rivals and on debut helps to set up the winner for Chelsea to pick up 3 points while we lose to Stoke.
Regardless of whether he wanted to go or not, we shouldn't strengthen our rivals. I remember when Chelsea wanted to sell Duff but wouldn't sell to us for Duff years ago and then he went to Newcastle for a considerably less.
Sell to immediate rivals and on debut helps to set up the winner for Chelsea to pick up 3 points while we lose to Stoke.
Regardless of whether he wanted to go or not, we shouldn't strengthen our rivals. I remember when Chelsea wanted to sell Duff but wouldn't sell to us for Duff years ago and then he went to Newcastle for a considerably less.
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Not a very intelligent bit of business from us on paper.
Sell to immediate rivals and on debut helps to set up the winner for Chelsea to pick up 3 points while we lose to Stoke.
Regardless of whether he wanted to go or not, we shouldn't strengthen our rivals. I remember when Chelsea wanted to sell Duff but wouldn't sell to us for Duff years ago and then he went to Newcastle for a considerably less.
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Is the correct conclusion.
Not a very intelligent bit of business from us on paper.
Sell to immediate rivals and on debut helps to set up the winner for Chelsea to pick up 3 points while we lose to Stoke.
Regardless of whether he wanted to go or not, we shouldn't strengthen our rivals. I remember when Chelsea wanted to sell Duff but wouldn't sell to us for Duff years ago and then he went to Newcastle for a considerably less.
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Is the correct conclusion.
It was neither realistic or desirable to have Meireles on staff when he's in your office telling you he wants to move and doesn't want to play for Liverpool as Commolli says. Why hamper your Manager with a want away player?
Nobody running their own business would continue to employ staff who are unhappy and want to leave why should Liverpool FC?
If you really don't want players to move on to selected clubs have it as part of the original contract. Simple.
Nobody running their own business would continue to employ staff who are unhappy and want to leave why should Liverpool FC?
If you really don't want players to move on to selected clubs have it as part of the original contract. Simple.
That would have driven his fee right down though.
He wouldn't have been playing first team football for half a season, his keenness to get away would have been clearly advertised and probably increased, and the general level of fees tends to go down in January anyway. I agree about the lack of any good reason for the disparity between the valuations of Modric and Meireles, but I don't see its relevance to this argument.
squad harmony can't be underestimated. when someone wants out, you get rid asap.
The same can be said for United with Ronaldo and Arsenal with Fabregas.
But I think we can all understand the rational.
But I think we can all understand the rational.
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He wouldn't have been playing first team football for half a season, his keenness to get away would have been clearly advertised and probably increased, and the general level of fees tends to go down in January anyway. I agree about the lack of any good reason for the disparity between the valuations of Modric and Meireles, but I don't see its relevance to this argument.
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You brought price up, I said he was undervalued regardless. I don't think a few months on the sidelines would have been very detrimental - there would have been more clubs in for him for a start. He was the fans player of the year for the whole league last season, more assists and goals than Modric, and it's always been a given that you get more for players proven in the PL than those you introduce to it. We got about the same as what we bought him for, it should have been double.
But even if we lost a couple of million quid, if he gains Chelsea half a dozen points and they pip us for a CL place, it will have made the terrible business it already is disastrous.
He wouldn't have been playing first team football for half a season, his keenness to get away would have been clearly advertised and probably increased, and the general level of fees tends to go down in January anyway. I agree about the lack of any good reason for the disparity between the valuations of Modric and Meireles, but I don't see its relevance to this argument.
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You brought price up, I said he was undervalued regardless. I don't think a few months on the sidelines would have been very detrimental - there would have been more clubs in for him for a start. He was the fans player of the year for the whole league last season, more assists and goals than Modric, and it's always been a given that you get more for players proven in the PL than those you introduce to it. We got about the same as what we bought him for, it should have been double.
But even if we lost a couple of million quid, if he gains Chelsea half a dozen points and they pip us for a CL place, it will have made the terrible business it already is disastrous.
I think we were a bit hasty too, regardless of if he wanted to go or not, as had been said in the same position if he had wanted to fuck off back to Portugal that might have been a different story.
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Not a very intelligent bit of business from us on paper.
Sell to immediate rivals and on debut helps to set up the winner for Chelsea to pick up 3 points while we lose to Stoke.
Regardless of whether he wanted to go or not, we shouldn't strengthen our rivals. I remember when Chelsea wanted to sell Duff but wouldn't sell to us for Duff years ago and then he went to Newcastle for a considerably less.
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Exactly right.
As much as I've liked Comolli over the years I don't buy his explanation for a second - it sounds fabricated without sufficient detail to make it stick.
I've already made clear I think it was stupid for us to let Ming go at any cost; he would have been a very handy player to bring on in the last 25 minutes against Stoke. Small ground and everything but if anyone was going to find space there it was Raul.
Bottom line, however, is what idiot thought selling him to the Chavs was ok? For 12m?? We look naive and out of our depth - City, the mancs and certainly Chelsea wouldn't be doing it so why do we do it? You'd think the administration don't actually see us as competition for them at this point.
Not a very intelligent bit of business from us on paper.
Sell to immediate rivals and on debut helps to set up the winner for Chelsea to pick up 3 points while we lose to Stoke.
Regardless of whether he wanted to go or not, we shouldn't strengthen our rivals. I remember when Chelsea wanted to sell Duff but wouldn't sell to us for Duff years ago and then he went to Newcastle for a considerably less.
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Exactly right.
As much as I've liked Comolli over the years I don't buy his explanation for a second - it sounds fabricated without sufficient detail to make it stick.
I've already made clear I think it was stupid for us to let Ming go at any cost; he would have been a very handy player to bring on in the last 25 minutes against Stoke. Small ground and everything but if anyone was going to find space there it was Raul.
Bottom line, however, is what idiot thought selling him to the Chavs was ok? For 12m?? We look naive and out of our depth - City, the mancs and certainly Chelsea wouldn't be doing it so why do we do it? You'd think the administration don't actually see us as competition for them at this point.
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