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Have we solved our LW problems?

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In my opinion it is, in you opinion it isnt.
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How many goals does Gerrard get by running onto a ball, or coming into the play late? He makes fantastic runs and finishes them.

What precisely is better about Yossi's movement?
[/quote]Why are you even bothering to entertain this argument?
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It's 3:45 am, why am I even awake?
 
As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

Yossi was probably one of our best players over the latter parts of last season, but i still have doubts that he'll be able to maintain these levels over a long hard season.
 
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In my opinion it is, in you opinion it isnt.
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How many goals does Gerrard get by running onto a ball, or coming into the play late? He makes fantastic runs and finishes them.

What precisely is better about Yossi's movement?
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Stop ruining my fun Oncy
[/quote]Ruining your fun? You've made one of the dumbest statements i have ever read in the history of the internets, and you're about to get savaged by all. I wasnt ruining your fun, i was saving your bacon.
 
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In my opinion it is, in you opinion it isnt.
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How many goals does Gerrard get by running onto a ball, or coming into the play late? He makes fantastic runs and finishes them.

What precisely is better about Yossi's movement?
[/quote]Why are you even bothering to entertain this argument?
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It's 3:45 am, why am I even awake?
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Because there's too much porn, and not enough time?
 
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As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

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Me too, ideally. But if it's true we don't have the funds for another signing, then it may come down to a choice between Riera, Babel and Yossi. Out of those three, at this moment in time, I would choose Yossi.
 
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As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

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Me too, ideally. But if it's true we don't have the funds for another signing, then it may come down to a choice between Riera, Babel and Yossi. Out of those three, at this moment in time, I would choose Yossi.


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I'd choose riera for away games - rarely gives the ball away, good option and stay wide works hard tracking back

I'd choose yossi for home games - more likely to play that defense splitting pass, more upstairs when it comes to breaking down stubborn defenses

I'd choose to babel for the bench (some people don't even think he should get that, ho hum)
 
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As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

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Me too, ideally. But if it's true we don't have the funds for another signing, then it may come down to a choice between Riera, Babel and Yossi. Out of those three, at this moment in time, I would choose Yossi.


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Yeah i'd along with that after the performance he put in yesterday. The 3 options we have for LW are all completely different types of players, so i wouldn't be surprised to see Rafa swap them around a bit, depending on who we're playing.
 
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As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

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Me too, ideally. But if it's true we don't have the funds for another signing, then it may come down to a choice between Riera, Babel and Yossi. Out of those three, at this moment in time, I would choose Yossi.


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I'd choose riera for away games - rarely gives the ball away, good option and stay wide works hard tracking back

I'd choose yossi for home games - more likely to play that defense splitting pass, more upstairs when it comes to breaking down stubborn defenses

I'd choose to babel for the bench (some people don't even think he should get that, ho hum)
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Spidey, what the fuck is it with you and your "home and away teams" theory?
 
Yanno, not to sound repetative or anything, but buying David Silva would really solve our LW problems, and probably make us champions.

Just a thought.
 
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I've never been convinced by Yossi on the left before, but in his last two games he's been brilliant there - mainly because he comes inside all the time. It means that almost all of our attacks go through the centre or down the right, which will eventually perhaps make us slightly predictable, but all the same he's such a clever, threatening player that I think this is our best option at the moment. It solves two problems: finding a place for one of our most in-form players, and filling a problematic position.

Whaddya think? Is our 'Silva' already at the club?
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He cannot be consistently played on the left. It means we completely sacrifice attacking down that side, which is also our weakest in terms of full back cover. We did nothing down the left against Spurs, playing a different LM that really only can cut in. That's fine against Stoke, but it isn't against quality opposition. The problem for Benayoun is that his best position is being occupied by Gerrard, who is in every way superior to him, except perhaps when it comes to nun gimel hay shin, watch the dredel etc...
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Yossi would be better in the middle of the 3 than Gerrard is.
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He's far to slight to play there. It's fine when he runs into that position from outwide, but if he's playing there he can be solidly marked, and he's not big or strong enough to cope with man marking which is virtually what he'd get if he played there.

And there's also the fact that Gerrard is one the best players in the world in that very position.

93 goals in 244 games since Rafa came, the majority played in that position, an average of a goal every 2.5 games.

As well as Yossi's playing, he isn't ever going to reach Gerrard's level of performance, goal scoring or just general importance.
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if there is one position you can get away with being of slight build it's in the hole, that position is about brains not brawn.
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In Spain or Italy maybe, not over here. Find me 10 succesful central attacking midfielders of Yossi's build in the EPL. There's a few vertically challenged ones (Scholes, Fabregas) but few as slight as Yossi.

Gerrard, Lampard, Ballack, Modric, Ronaldo, all 6foot plus and not exactly skin and bones.

But wingers, i can name a few..... Yossi, Lennon, Walcott, Bentley, Wright-Phillips.
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Oh and sorry i have to point out how stupid this is because no one thinks that half of the attacking midfielders in the league are of Yossi's build. Just that you can be successful with Yossi's build, which you can.
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I meant in EPL history, not just at present. I'm not saying Yossi can't be successful there, he has been. But could he play 35+ games for us there consistently and outscore most strikers in the league.... No he couldn't.

ps. I'm not knocking Yossi in anyway, I'm a big fan of him.

pps. Oh and Luka Modric is actually a midget, I thought he was taller.
 
But could he play 35+ games for us there consistently and outscore most strikers in the league.... No he couldn't.

What sort of question is that? I can only think of Pires and Ronaldo who even came close to what you're asking.

There are doubts over whether Yossi can sustain his form for long periods, but I have no doubts that when he's on form, he could play in any of the attacking positions, and do decent job of it, too. 
 
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As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

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Me too, ideally. But if it's true we don't have the funds for another signing, then it may come down to a choice between Riera, Babel and Yossi. Out of those three, at this moment in time, I would choose Yossi.


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I'd choose riera for away games - rarely gives the ball away, good option and stay wide works hard tracking back

I'd choose yossi for home games - more likely to play that defense splitting pass, more upstairs when it comes to breaking down stubborn defenses

I'd choose to babel for the bench (some people don't even think he should get that, ho hum)
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Spidey, what the fuck is it with you and your "home and away teams" theory?
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I agree the spine should remain constant home and away and probably your back line but there are a couple of positions that can be tweaked to get the result because there is a definate change in tactics with dealing with home and away games. last season we were superb at getting the result away from home but struggled to break down defenses. obviously if someone is in a rich vein of form you play them home and away but riera or yossi haven't nailed down the left hand side.
 
Modric looks like a poor little orphan boy. You must have been on mushrooms or something.

Anyways, it looks like Arshavin will be playing a fair number of games as a genuine no.10 so we'll be able to test your theory over the course of the season.
 
Our RW problem is solved : Kuyt & Johnson seem to have built an immediate rapport and each complements the other's game perfectly. When Johnson overlaps Kuyt knows how to slot into RW and defend or how to support him if necessary. We need not play around with that area of the team

Gerrard & Benni are both great AMs but each offers something different. Gerrard is infinitely better though ! Yossi will still get a lot of games each season because he can also play LW & RW very competently - but he is hardly a full time solution to any of those positions. His strength is his versatility and I think he adds a danger to our attacking play that others don't offer, his skill on the ball panics defenders and he creates space for others - if only he would off-load it just a little earlier !

LW is still an issue. I hope we see the improvement in Riera people are talking about. I thought he had some excellent matches last season and he brings a balance and steadiness to the team and crucially helps us maintain possession in dangerous attacking situations that we have not had for a long long time. Insua is very promising but lets not get ahead of ourselves, he is not there yet and Aurelio is still the better player.

Babel is beyond hope and I really can't understand the posters saying ' he needs a run in the team' when he's done sweet FA to deserve it. He is our last throw of the dice when it's going tits up or we can't break through.

I am still desperately clutching to the straw that Silva will be here before the transfer season ends - but I'm really sweating it now.

BTW - I would rather see Nemeth given a chance than N'Gog - who almost headed over as simple a chance as you could ever wish for yesterday. He just seems ..... lacking.
 
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But could he play 35+ games for us there consistently and outscore most strikers in the league.... No he couldn't.

What sort of question is that? I can only think of Pires and Ronaldo who even came close to what you're asking.

There are doubts over whether Yossi can sustain his form for long periods, but I have no doubts that when he's on form, he could play in any of the attacking positions, and do decent job of it, too.
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My reply was to Rafiagra who said, Yossi would be better than Gerrard in the middle of an attacking three.

I don't doubt Yossi's ability, like I said, I'm a fan, he'll do a decent job anywhere.
 
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But could he play 35+ games for us there consistently and outscore most strikers in the league.... No he couldn't.

What sort of question is that? I can only think of Pires and Ronaldo who even came close to what you're asking.

There are doubts over whether Yossi can sustain his form for long periods, but I have no doubts that when he's on form, he could play in any of the attacking positions, and do decent job of it, too.
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My reply was to Rafiagra who said, Yossi would be better than Gerrard in the middle of an attacking three.

I don't doubt Yossi's ability, like I said, I'm a fan, he'll do a decent job anywhere.
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love your signature 😀
 
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But could he play 35+ games for us there consistently and outscore most strikers in the league.... No he couldn't.

What sort of question is that? I can only think of Pires and Ronaldo who even came close to what you're asking.

There are doubts over whether Yossi can sustain his form for long periods, but I have no doubts that when he's on form, he could play in any of the attacking positions, and do decent job of it, too.
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My reply was to Rafiagra who said, Yossi would be better than Gerrard in the middle of an attacking three.

I don't doubt Yossi's ability, like I said, I'm a fan, he'll do a decent job anywhere.
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Sorry mate, misread it.
 
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BTW - I would rather see Nemeth given a chance than N'Gog - who almost headed over as simple a chance as you could ever wish for yesterday. He just seems ..... lacking.
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I really don't get all the hype with Nemeth. What am i missing? He looks slow and weak whenever ive seen him.
 
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BTW - I would rather see Nemeth given a chance than N'Gog - who almost headed over as simple a chance as you could ever wish for yesterday. He just seems ..... lacking.
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I really don't get all the hype with Nemeth. What am i missing? He looks slow and weak whenever ive seen him.
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He's looked classy and clinical whenever I've seen him.
 
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BTW - I would rather see Nemeth given a chance than N'Gog - who almost headed over as simple a chance as you could ever wish for yesterday. He just seems ..... lacking.
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I really don't get all the hype with Nemeth. What am i missing? He looks slow and weak whenever ive seen him.
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He's looked classy and clinical whenever I've seen him.

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^^^

Whitey clearly has seen very, very little of Nemeth.
 
Ive not seen much of him to be fair. I see Plessis playing and feel the urge to change channel.

I like what ive seen of Pacheco and enjoyed the little cameo i saw from Saric towards the end of last season. Is he still alive?
 
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BTW - I would rather see Nemeth given a chance than N'Gog - who almost headed over as simple a chance as you could ever wish for yesterday. He just seems ..... lacking.
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I really don't get all the hype with Nemeth. What am i missing? He looks slow and weak whenever ive seen him.
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He was awful last season but that seems to be because he was coming back from injury, although pre season seems to indicate that he still isn't back to his best. The season before he was brilliant.
 
Riera is the best solution we have got at the moment for LW.

But he is still a long way to be the answer, judging from last season's performance, unless he steps up this season and shows a drastic improvement. I'm hoping he does a 'Pires'. Remember him ? Lousy 1st season but superb following seasons.

So until Riera does that, I'd consider looking for another world-class LW. Key selection criteria are :-

1) Tricky
2) Dribbling maestro
3) Passing = 17/20 minimum
4) Crossing = 17/20 min
5) Shooting = 15/20 min
6) Flair = 17/20 min
7) Price range = a packet of crisps to a pint of lager
 
I haven't been impressed by Nemeth but that's only based on this pre-season.

I pay little attention to the reserves.
 
Well he's had two good games there, so I think it's definitely safe to say we might well have the best left-winger on the planet.
 
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I think it's definitely safe to say we might well have the best left-winger on the planet.
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agreed.
 
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As a club we should be looking to improve, so considering that LW is one of our weakest positions i still want another option for this spot.

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Me too, ideally. But if it's true we don't have the funds for another signing, then it may come down to a choice between Riera, Babel and Yossi. Out of those three, at this moment in time, I would choose Yossi.


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I'd choose riera for away games - rarely gives the ball away, good option and stay wide works hard tracking back

I'd choose yossi for home games - more likely to play that defense splitting pass, more upstairs when it comes to breaking down stubborn defenses

I'd choose to babel for the bench (some people don't even think he should get that, ho hum)
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Spidey, what the fuck is it with you and your "home and away teams" theory?
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I agree the spine should remain constant home and away and probably your back line but there are a couple of positions that can be tweaked to get the result because there is a definate change in tactics with dealing with home and away games. last season we were superb at getting the result away from home but struggled to break down defenses. obviously if someone is in a rich vein of form you play them home and away but riera or yossi haven't nailed down the left hand side.
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So add "the spine" and the backline together and how many positions are actually going to see different personel?

Just the left side, thats it!!
 
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