I wouldn't fancy his chances if he does go to jail. All that twitching...he could be sending all the wrong signals to the other inmates, especially in the showers.
Harry Redknapp.
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[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=48418.msg1470047#msg1470047 date=1327479106]
I wouldn't fancy his chances if he does go to jail. All that twitching...he could be sending all the wrong signals to the other inmates, especially in the showers.
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if his arse is as saggy as his face he'll be able to pick up the soap with impunity
I wouldn't fancy his chances if he does go to jail. All that twitching...he could be sending all the wrong signals to the other inmates, especially in the showers.
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if his arse is as saggy as his face he'll be able to pick up the soap with impunity
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[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=48418.msg1469899#msg1469899 date=1327436502]
can you go to prison for fraud in this country?
Wont he just get ordered to pay his due and get a suspended sentence.... this is just not paying his tax's
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You certainly can be imprisoned for fraud. I expect there's some kind of sentencing tariff for fraud convictions, but I don't know where this case would fit into it.
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Indeed you can.
For aggravating factors the amount is obviously considered, as well as whether it was planned in advance, how long it went on for , how many were involved, whether evidence was concealed etc.
Mitigating factors would be level of involvement, age, whether it was legal at the start and whether it was stopped voluntarily.
So it doesn't look GREAT for 'Arry, but we haven't heard his defence yet.
If he does get found guilty though I still think it will be a massive fine and a suspended sentence.
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Lucky for him it's not an FA court, otherwise there would be no point paying for a defence lawyer.
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Did you know Ireland has a 95% conviction rate when someone is charged ?
I bet the UK is the same
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48418.msg1469906#msg1469906 date=1327437025]
[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=48418.msg1469899#msg1469899 date=1327436502]
can you go to prison for fraud in this country?
Wont he just get ordered to pay his due and get a suspended sentence.... this is just not paying his tax's
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You certainly can be imprisoned for fraud. I expect there's some kind of sentencing tariff for fraud convictions, but I don't know where this case would fit into it.
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Indeed you can.
For aggravating factors the amount is obviously considered, as well as whether it was planned in advance, how long it went on for , how many were involved, whether evidence was concealed etc.
Mitigating factors would be level of involvement, age, whether it was legal at the start and whether it was stopped voluntarily.
So it doesn't look GREAT for 'Arry, but we haven't heard his defence yet.
If he does get found guilty though I still think it will be a massive fine and a suspended sentence.
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Lucky for him it's not an FA court, otherwise there would be no point paying for a defence lawyer.
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Did you know Ireland has a 95% conviction rate when someone is charged ?
I bet the UK is the same
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48418.msg1470103#msg1470103 date=1327485628]
UK has about an 80% conviction rate I believe Ross. Which means either our prosecuition teams are rubbish or the Irish ljudiciary are as bent as the FA.
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80.7% in 2009
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/journals/dpps_journal/conviction_rate_increases/
I'm sure there are 2011 figure in here somewhere if you can be arsed looking
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/justice/criminal-justice/index.html
UK has about an 80% conviction rate I believe Ross. Which means either our prosecuition teams are rubbish or the Irish ljudiciary are as bent as the FA.
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80.7% in 2009
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/journals/dpps_journal/conviction_rate_increases/
I'm sure there are 2011 figure in here somewhere if you can be arsed looking
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/justice/criminal-justice/index.html
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48418.msg1470103#msg1470103 date=1327485628]
UK has about an 80% conviction rate I believe Ross. Which means either our prosecuition teams are rubbish or the Irish ljudiciary are as bent as the FA.
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Can't comment on the latter, but I defo don't think it means the former. On the contrary, I'd expect a reputable justice system to show a decent percentage of successful appeals. The FA's 99.5% "success rate" would be impressive if it were a truly independent procedure. As it is, those figures just emphasise what a sham their "appeals" are.
UK has about an 80% conviction rate I believe Ross. Which means either our prosecuition teams are rubbish or the Irish ljudiciary are as bent as the FA.
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Can't comment on the latter, but I defo don't think it means the former. On the contrary, I'd expect a reputable justice system to show a decent percentage of successful appeals. The FA's 99.5% "success rate" would be impressive if it were a truly independent procedure. As it is, those figures just emphasise what a sham their "appeals" are.
Ah. ;D
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48418.msg1470060#msg1470060 date=1327481518]
Did you know Ireland has a 95% conviction rate when someone is charged ?
I bet the UK is the same
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Is that the rate who were just charged that end in conviction or are those cases (quite a few I believe) that are dropped before they get to court included?
Did you know Ireland has a 95% conviction rate when someone is charged ?
I bet the UK is the same
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Is that the rate who were just charged that end in conviction or are those cases (quite a few I believe) that are dropped before they get to court included?
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48418.msg1469906#msg1469906 date=1327437025]
[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=48418.msg1469899#msg1469899 date=1327436502]
can you go to prison for fraud in this country?
Wont he just get ordered to pay his due and get a suspended sentence.... this is just not paying his tax's
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You certainly can be imprisoned for fraud. I expect there's some kind of sentencing tariff for fraud convictions, but I don't know where this case would fit into it.
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Indeed you can.
For aggravating factors the amount is obviously considered, as well as whether it was planned in advance, how long it went on for , how many were involved, whether evidence was concealed etc.
Mitigating factors would be level of involvement, age, whether it was legal at the start and whether it was stopped voluntarily.
So it doesn't look GREAT for 'Arry, but we haven't heard his defence yet.
If he does get found guilty though I still think it will be a massive fine and a suspended sentence.
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Lucky for him it's not an FA court, otherwise there would be no point paying for a defence lawyer.
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If it was the FA court they'd let him off and give him money for the inconvience. Harry and Tottenham are right up there as members of the FA bum club.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48418.msg1469906#msg1469906 date=1327437025]
[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=48418.msg1469899#msg1469899 date=1327436502]
can you go to prison for fraud in this country?
Wont he just get ordered to pay his due and get a suspended sentence.... this is just not paying his tax's
[/quote]
You certainly can be imprisoned for fraud. I expect there's some kind of sentencing tariff for fraud convictions, but I don't know where this case would fit into it.
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Indeed you can.
For aggravating factors the amount is obviously considered, as well as whether it was planned in advance, how long it went on for , how many were involved, whether evidence was concealed etc.
Mitigating factors would be level of involvement, age, whether it was legal at the start and whether it was stopped voluntarily.
So it doesn't look GREAT for 'Arry, but we haven't heard his defence yet.
If he does get found guilty though I still think it will be a massive fine and a suspended sentence.
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Lucky for him it's not an FA court, otherwise there would be no point paying for a defence lawyer.
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If it was the FA court they'd let him off and give him money for the inconvience. Harry and Tottenham are right up there as members of the FA bum club.
[quote author=hmmmmm1 link=topic=48418.msg1469971#msg1469971 date=1327442974]
I seriously doubt he would go to prison for £40K
Though it does me think the risk arry would taken on career for money which barley covers a months wage for him.
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I have had someone prosecuted for fraud and they got custodial sentences up to 5 years plus confiscation orders. The new Fraud Act 2006 has some teeth now because it links Proceeds of Crime and Money Laundering.
I seriously doubt he would go to prison for £40K
Though it does me think the risk arry would taken on career for money which barley covers a months wage for him.
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I have had someone prosecuted for fraud and they got custodial sentences up to 5 years plus confiscation orders. The new Fraud Act 2006 has some teeth now because it links Proceeds of Crime and Money Laundering.
What puzzles me, not just about this case but other cases like it, is that when you are already loaded why would you risk so much over avoiding a few thousand in tax? Do people get to a certain level of wealth and they think they can do whatever they want or something?
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What puzzles me, not just about this case but other cases like it, is that when you are already loaded why would you risk so much over avoiding a few thousand in tax? Do people get to a certain level of wealth and they think they can do whatever they want or something?
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my guess is its a sexual thrill
bet rosie got a fucking pounding when the statements came in
What puzzles me, not just about this case but other cases like it, is that when you are already loaded why would you risk so much over avoiding a few thousand in tax? Do people get to a certain level of wealth and they think they can do whatever they want or something?
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my guess is its a sexual thrill
bet rosie got a fucking pounding when the statements came in
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=48418.msg1470174#msg1470174 date=1327494088]
What puzzles me, not just about this case but other cases like it, is that when you are already loaded why would you risk so much over avoiding a few thousand in tax? Do people get to a certain level of wealth and they think they can do whatever they want or something?
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The human greed is scaring isnt it?? I am puzzled by the fact that here in Norway leaders in a couple of big clubs have gone very far to make a fraud on behalf of the clubs. Where it is actually no gain for themselves they still risk prison!!
What puzzles me, not just about this case but other cases like it, is that when you are already loaded why would you risk so much over avoiding a few thousand in tax? Do people get to a certain level of wealth and they think they can do whatever they want or something?
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The human greed is scaring isnt it?? I am puzzled by the fact that here in Norway leaders in a couple of big clubs have gone very far to make a fraud on behalf of the clubs. Where it is actually no gain for themselves they still risk prison!!
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Lester Piggott did a year of a 3-year sentence and lost his OBE, when he was convicted of tax evasion.
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And this gave birth to one of my favourite jokes ever:
Who was the last 18 stone man to ride a derby winner?
Lestor Piggott's cell mate.
Lester Piggott did a year of a 3-year sentence and lost his OBE, when he was convicted of tax evasion.
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And this gave birth to one of my favourite jokes ever:
Who was the last 18 stone man to ride a derby winner?
Lestor Piggott's cell mate.
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[quote author=themn link=topic=48418.msg1470225#msg1470225 date=1327499151]
Lester Piggott did a year of a 3-year sentence and lost his OBE, when he was convicted of tax evasion.
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And this gave birth to one of my favourite jokes ever:
Who was the last 18 stone man to ride a derby winner?
Lestor Piggott's cell mate.
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So cruel.
[quote author=themn link=topic=48418.msg1470225#msg1470225 date=1327499151]
Lester Piggott did a year of a 3-year sentence and lost his OBE, when he was convicted of tax evasion.
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And this gave birth to one of my favourite jokes ever:
Who was the last 18 stone man to ride a derby winner?
Lestor Piggott's cell mate.
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So cruel.
HR 'couldn't fill in team sheet'
Football boss Harry Redknapp denied tax dodging by telling police "I couldn't even fill a team sheet in", a court heard on Thursday.
Last Updated: 26/01/12 at 16:43
Redknapp: Claimed he cannot spell
The Lying Rag columnist said he struggles with literacy, adding: "I write like a two-year-old and I can't spell."
He also claimed he was "the most disorganised person in the world" during interviews with City of London detectives in 2009.
In tape recordings played at Southwark Crown Court, Redknapp said: "I can't work a computer, I don't know what an email is, I can't, I have never sent a fax and I've never even sent a text message."
He added: "I have a big problem, I can't write so I don't keep anything. I am the most disorganised person, I am ashamed to say, in the world."
Redknapp told officers he had not seen his pay slip in years as he said: "You talk to anybody at the football club. I don't write. I couldn't even fill a team sheet in."
Under questioning over the Monaco account at the heart of the £189,000 bung allegation, the Tottenham manager added: "I pay a fortune to my accountant to look after me you know.
"He writes all the cheques for me and my wife. He pays my bills. He runs my life basically."
Redknapp told officers in June 2009 that The Lying Rag, who he writes regular columns for, "hadn't paid me for 18 months".
He said: "I've never wrote a letter in my life. I couldn't write a letter. I write like a two-year-old and I can't spell."
Redknapp added: "Why am I gonna fiddle 20, 30 whatever thousand pounds of income tax when I walk away six months later from £200,000 that I was due?"
The tape was played out after jurors heard Redknapp made "disastrous" business decisions and lost £250,000 in a "very unsuccessful" takeover bid at Oxford United.
Redknapp lost every penny as part of a loan to take control of Oxford, HSBC executive Alan Hills said.
Redknapp's barrister John Kelsey-Fry QC used the example to deny prosecution claims that the Tottenham manager was a "hard-headed businessman".
He asked Hills at Southwark Crown Court in London: "Do you remember an occasion when he was persuaded to loan, at very short notice, £250,000 to buy Oxford United and that money just disappeared into the mist?"
Hills replied: "I have never seen it, yes."
Hills said Redknapp had shown acumen in the property market, but he agreed with Kelsey-Fry's claim that "with the benefit of hindsight, some investments were disastrous".
He added: "With regard to the shares (in Oxford United)...it is fair to say they were very unsuccessful."
Hills, an associate director with HSBC in London between 2000 and 2009, said he held meetings with Redknapp alongside the football boss's solicitor and accountant.
The jury was told Hills was not initially informed of Redknapp's Monaco dealings in addition to the domestic accounts he held with HSBC.
Hills said: "I would have expected to have known or be told of it."
Redknapp had sole responsibility for the Monaco bank account at the centre of £189,000 bung allegations, said David Cusdin, vice-president of HSBC in Monaco between 2000 and 2005.
Cusdin also described co-defendant Milan Mandaric as "a perfect gentleman".
Giving evidence via videolink, Cusdin said he was aware that Redknapp had flown to the principality to open an account.
"I was certainly aware of his visit - it was quite possible that I didn't open the account, it was one of my team - but I was certainly aware of the visit," Cusdin told the court.
"I don't have a recollection - but I could well have shaken his hand at the meeting."
Both Redknapp, 64, of Poole, Dorset, and Mandaric, from Oadby, Leicestershire, deny two counts of cheating the public revenue when Redknapp was manager of Portsmouth Football Club.
The first charge of cheating the public revenue alleges that between April 1, 2002 and November 28, 2007 Mandaric paid 145,000 US dollars (£93,100) into the account.
The second charge for the same offence relates to a sum of 150,000 US dollars (£96,300) allegedly paid between May 1, 2004 and November 28, 2007.
The court was adjourned until Friday when it will hear from the final prosecution witnesses.
Football boss Harry Redknapp denied tax dodging by telling police "I couldn't even fill a team sheet in", a court heard on Thursday.
Last Updated: 26/01/12 at 16:43
Redknapp: Claimed he cannot spell
The Lying Rag columnist said he struggles with literacy, adding: "I write like a two-year-old and I can't spell."
He also claimed he was "the most disorganised person in the world" during interviews with City of London detectives in 2009.
In tape recordings played at Southwark Crown Court, Redknapp said: "I can't work a computer, I don't know what an email is, I can't, I have never sent a fax and I've never even sent a text message."
He added: "I have a big problem, I can't write so I don't keep anything. I am the most disorganised person, I am ashamed to say, in the world."
Redknapp told officers he had not seen his pay slip in years as he said: "You talk to anybody at the football club. I don't write. I couldn't even fill a team sheet in."
Under questioning over the Monaco account at the heart of the £189,000 bung allegation, the Tottenham manager added: "I pay a fortune to my accountant to look after me you know.
"He writes all the cheques for me and my wife. He pays my bills. He runs my life basically."
Redknapp told officers in June 2009 that The Lying Rag, who he writes regular columns for, "hadn't paid me for 18 months".
He said: "I've never wrote a letter in my life. I couldn't write a letter. I write like a two-year-old and I can't spell."
Redknapp added: "Why am I gonna fiddle 20, 30 whatever thousand pounds of income tax when I walk away six months later from £200,000 that I was due?"
The tape was played out after jurors heard Redknapp made "disastrous" business decisions and lost £250,000 in a "very unsuccessful" takeover bid at Oxford United.
Redknapp lost every penny as part of a loan to take control of Oxford, HSBC executive Alan Hills said.
Redknapp's barrister John Kelsey-Fry QC used the example to deny prosecution claims that the Tottenham manager was a "hard-headed businessman".
He asked Hills at Southwark Crown Court in London: "Do you remember an occasion when he was persuaded to loan, at very short notice, £250,000 to buy Oxford United and that money just disappeared into the mist?"
Hills replied: "I have never seen it, yes."
Hills said Redknapp had shown acumen in the property market, but he agreed with Kelsey-Fry's claim that "with the benefit of hindsight, some investments were disastrous".
He added: "With regard to the shares (in Oxford United)...it is fair to say they were very unsuccessful."
Hills, an associate director with HSBC in London between 2000 and 2009, said he held meetings with Redknapp alongside the football boss's solicitor and accountant.
The jury was told Hills was not initially informed of Redknapp's Monaco dealings in addition to the domestic accounts he held with HSBC.
Hills said: "I would have expected to have known or be told of it."
Redknapp had sole responsibility for the Monaco bank account at the centre of £189,000 bung allegations, said David Cusdin, vice-president of HSBC in Monaco between 2000 and 2005.
Cusdin also described co-defendant Milan Mandaric as "a perfect gentleman".
Giving evidence via videolink, Cusdin said he was aware that Redknapp had flown to the principality to open an account.
"I was certainly aware of his visit - it was quite possible that I didn't open the account, it was one of my team - but I was certainly aware of the visit," Cusdin told the court.
"I don't have a recollection - but I could well have shaken his hand at the meeting."
Both Redknapp, 64, of Poole, Dorset, and Mandaric, from Oadby, Leicestershire, deny two counts of cheating the public revenue when Redknapp was manager of Portsmouth Football Club.
The first charge of cheating the public revenue alleges that between April 1, 2002 and November 28, 2007 Mandaric paid 145,000 US dollars (£93,100) into the account.
The second charge for the same offence relates to a sum of 150,000 US dollars (£96,300) allegedly paid between May 1, 2004 and November 28, 2007.
The court was adjourned until Friday when it will hear from the final prosecution witnesses.
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What a great application for the job of England manager: I can't read, write or count. Brilliant. But at least he's British!
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That's why he got such a clever dog.
What a great application for the job of England manager: I can't read, write or count. Brilliant. But at least he's British!
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That's why he got such a clever dog.
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That's terrific.
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That's terrific.
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