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Dreambeliever

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Just read that massive thread and it did raise a couple of points.

1. WE have bene very poor defensivley since GJ came in. However I think that is more down to losing Sami having a new LB and a weak midfled which allows teams to run at our defence.

2. That we spent half our budget on a right back when it is obviously now we needed a replacement for Alonso from the start of August and a striker capable of filling in for Torres when he was injured.

So my question is

Would you still buy GJ if you had the summer back again?

I'm not so sure. I think he has been amazing this year but f*ck 17M could have gone a long way to sorting out other more cucial holes in the team.
 
No. But if I'd been told I'd get £20m plus sales, I would have assumed that I would get just that. And in that scenario, Yes, I'd buy him.
 
Yes, of course I would.

Who were we gonna play at right-back, fucking Degen?

It's been said billions of times here in the past, that we're too reliant on Gerrard and Torres, and have very few World Class players. Well in Glenjo (depending on your definition of course) we've either got one, or have the makings of one. And now people are complaining about that?
 
There's no doubting his ability. I think he's a cracking player but does he bring the right things to the team that are needed? Defensively I think he's just above average (and I'm certainly not blaming our defensive frailties on him) but I think he's the type of player you bring in when you're making final tweeks to an already strong squad. Not one you buy when you've been crying out for decent striker back up since the January before.
 
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Yes, of course I would.

Who were we gonna play at right-back, fucking Degen?

It's been said billions of times here in the past, that we're too reliant on Gerrard and Torres, and have very few World Class players. Well in Glenjo (depending on your definition of course) we've either got one, or have the makings of one. And now people are complaining about that?

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Don't get me wrong I love GJ and he's been one of the few bright lights this year and has made watching games enjoyable, however we could have picked up a decent right back for alot less and used the rest to beef up other areas.

I was just raising the question of spending 17M on a RB when you have so little to spend is a smart move and whether everyone would do it?
 
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There's no doubting his ability. I think he's a cracking player but does he bring the right things to the team that are needed? Defensively I think he's just above average (and I'm certainly not blaming our defensive frailties on him) but I think he's the type of player you bring in when you're making final tweeks to an already strong squad. Not one you buy when you've been crying out for decent striker back up since the January before.
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I wish I could post like this!

This sums up where I was coming from.
 
Well, yeah there's a lot there that can be agreed with. But, do we stop thinking about other areas of the squad because we need a striker? We had to buy a right-back mate, so instead of doing the usual and pulling in a freebie or spending another 5-8M on a fucking ordinary one, we went out and got a quality one. I thinkn the fact Pompey owed us a fair whack of Crouch's fee helped ease the burden of the payment too. It's easy to look at the fee and say "is this all we've got' but he could and should be our right-back for the next 8-10 years, and I'm happy with 18M being spent on that. Waxing 30M on Rio Ferdinand back in the day was fucking insane, but they've got what, 8 years out of him? And he's been fucking quality.

I'm not arguing we didn't need a striker mate, not at all, but that's not Johnson's fault, nor should it have affected our decision on what to spend on a right-back. the team performed well enoguh last year with the same striking options we have this season (Keane hardly made that much difference really), so I guess Rafa was expecting for more of the same, and hoping we could get Torres fitter than last year.

I also think that if he had more money to spend, he'd have bought a striker. I'm sure he doesn't look at our options up front and think they're adequate enough.
 
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[quote author=Sheik (Loki) Yerbouti link=topic=37443.msg999124#msg999124 date=1259193448]
There's no doubting his ability. I think he's a cracking player but does he bring the right things to the team that are needed? Defensively I think he's just above average (and I'm certainly not blaming our defensive frailties on him) but I think he's the type of player you bring in when you're making final tweeks to an already strong squad. Not one you buy when you've been crying out for decent striker back up since the January before.
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I wish I could post like this!

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We all wish you could Dreamy.
 
Well, the question over whether Rafa knew or didn't know how much he'd have to spend is one that will rumble on and on without anyone knowing for sure.

If Rafa thought he had more money available to buy a striker and that was taken away from him then I'd say yeah, he was right to buy Johnson.

If he knew exactly what he had to spend then no, I wouldn't have spent that much on Johnson.

Still a great player though and he's ours. Nothing can change that now so it's a case of onwards and upwards.
 
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Well, the question over whether Rafa knew or didn't know how much he'd have to spend is one that will rumble on and on without anyone knowing for sure.

If Rafa thought he had more money available to buy a striker and that was taken away from him then I'd say yeah, he was right to buy Johnson.

If he knew exactly what he had to spend then no, I wouldn't have spent that much on Johnson.

Still a great player though and he's ours. Nothing can change that now so it's a case of onwards and upwards.
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Yeah I agree with that.

Take Chelsea for example, they spent 17M on Zhirkov this summer, and I swear I have not seen him play one minute of football for them this season. He's got to get in the side ahead of England's best left-back. On the other side of the defence, they've got the 16M Bosingwa, the 12M Ferreira, and they got rid of Glenjo.

If we hadn't bought Johnson, we'd have the 'free' Degen to play with. Apparently Chelsea had "an injury cirsis" last weekend cos Lampard, Ballack and Bosingwa were out injured. Their possible replacements - Mikel 16.5M, Cole - 6M, Zhirkov - 17M, Malouda - 11M, etc etc

I know this is moving away from the initial discussion and into other territories, but the point's there.
 
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Well, the question over whether Rafa knew or didn't know how much he'd have to spend is one that will rumble on and on without anyone knowing for sure.

If Rafa thought he had more money available to buy a striker and that was taken away from him then I'd say yeah, he was right to buy Johnson.

If he knew exactly what he had to spend then no, I wouldn't have spent that much on Johnson.

Still a great player though and he's ours. Nothing can change that now so it's a case of onwards and upwards.
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I've been told that he knew exactly what he had to spend and used it accordingly.
 
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[quote author=Sheik (Loki) Yerbouti link=topic=37443.msg999140#msg999140 date=1259194131]
Well, the question over whether Rafa knew or didn't know how much he'd have to spend is one that will rumble on and on without anyone knowing for sure.

If Rafa thought he had more money available to buy a striker and that was taken away from him then I'd say yeah, he was right to buy Johnson.

If he knew exactly what he had to spend then no, I wouldn't have spent that much on Johnson.

Still a great player though and he's ours. Nothing can change that now so it's a case of onwards and upwards.
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I've been told that he knew exactly what he had to spend and used it accordingly.
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By whom Dreamy?
 
Why would Degen have been in the team when we would still have had Arbeloa??

We'd also have had Carragher from time to time. And Kjaer and Agger are a better partnership than what we currently have. We need a centreback and a striker. We got a rightback.

And Rafa should not have assumed he would have lots more money to spend. What reliable source has said he was promised 20million??
 
No, because Arbeloa would still be here.

And we'd have had 10million plus to buy a centre back.

So you are wrong.

Again.
 
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No, because Arbeloa would still be here.

And we'd have had 10million plus to buy a centre back.

So you are wrong.

Again.
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The same Arbeloa that wanted to leave, yes?
 
He only wanted to leave because he was replaced. He had a year on his contract. He would happily have stayed.
 
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He only wanted to leave because he was replaced. He had a year on his contract. He would happily have stayed.
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Most of that is speculation and opinion Doc.

Besides, even if Arebloa "would happily have stayed" does that not permit us from improving our options in his position? United bought Evra for 7M when they had Heinze already there, Chelsea did likewise with Cole when Bridge was there too. Arsenal bought Sagna when they "didn't need him". It's what good clubs do, buy better than what they've got.

Now whether that 18M should have been invested elsewhere is a discussion i've already had above with sheik, so if you want my opinions on that, have a read.
 
United and Chelski have the money to do that. As you said already, Chelski bought Zhirkov when they have Cole.

But neither of those team had pressing needs in other positions. We did this summer. We need a centreback to partner Agger and a striker to partner/back-up Torres. A winger wouldn't have gone amiss either. But we did not need a right back.
 
Maybe it was a conscious decision on his part, Dreamy and Sheikh. Maybe he decided that the way to build this team given the budget constraints was to add one reasonably priced and available super talent every year while supplementing the squad from the our reserves, Bosmans and less than 2 million players.

And both of you have to admit that Magic looks like a player who will be our starting right back for the next 7-8 years. Remember the summer of Alves where Rafa decided to spread the money among Pennant and Kuyt ( was it?). Maybe he decided that strategy was not going to work.

I dont think anyone could have anticipated our injury crisis. And I dont think anyone could have anticipated the impact the loss of Hyppia would have on our defense record. I dont recall a single post in the summer clamoring for a central defender. In that sense, I think the correct time to evaluate the transfer strategy is at the end of the year.

If Aqualani clicks the way Oncy expects him to and our injury crisis gets over in a month. We could have a very good second half of the season. For the first time in years I am also confident that we have good youngsters to supplement the squad to save on Voronin like purchases. If we add a Johnson like signing in the summer either on left wing/right wing, we could be looking at a very very good team.
 
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If I say we "did not need a right back" will you go away?
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No.
 
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United and Chelski have the money to do that. As you said already, Chelski bought Zhirkov when they have Cole.

But neither of those team had pressing needs in other positions. We did this summer. We need a centreback to partner Agger and a striker to partner/back-up Torres. A winger wouldn't have gone amiss either. But we did not need a right back.
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Get this everyone...

Apparently, we didn't need a right-back because we already had one there. But we did need a new centre-back despite there being three already there.

Got it?
 
Yes, that's exactly what the situation was.

Never mind the quality of the players in those positions.

Let's try and make everything suit your argument.


You have no interest in discussing football, only in throwing insults. Pathetic.
 
Arbeloa was fucking desperate to leave as soon as Madrid were interested. He was also widely reported to be unsettled a year earlier. It's pretty safe to say he wanted out and therefore needed replacing. Ideally we would have sold him earlier, recouped more of a fee and bought a cheaper Glen Johnson, but there ya go.
 
Madrid didn't show any interest until after Johnson was signed.

He was rumoured to be unsettled the previous summer but it was then put down to posturing in an attempt to get his contract sorted when everyone elses was being prioritized over his.
 
Is Doc Rule another Rosco? Stating speculations as facts!

The moment Carra tore into Arbe in one of the match, he was a goner. That much we know from observations. The rest, as to whether he wanted to go or the timing of Madrid coming for him are all pure speculations.
 
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Yes, that's exactly what the situation was.

Never mind the quality of the players in those positions.

Let's try and make everything suit your argument.


You have no interest in discussing football, only in throwing insults. Pathetic.


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Is this a joke?
 
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