Gerrard: 'I've been shite this year'
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[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39693.msg1083533#msg1083533 date=1270616822]
I wonder if his form will be carried over to the World Cup.
[/quote] I doubt it. He might feel optimistic about winning a trophy under capello. However the lack of rest will affect him next season to a much greater extent than we've witnessed so far.
I wonder if his form will be carried over to the World Cup.
[/quote] I doubt it. He might feel optimistic about winning a trophy under capello. However the lack of rest will affect him next season to a much greater extent than we've witnessed so far.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083556#msg1083556 date=1270622493]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
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Alonso >>>>>>>> Lucas
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
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Alonso >>>>>>>> Lucas
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39693.msg1083557#msg1083557 date=1270622623]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083556#msg1083556 date=1270622493]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
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Alonso >>>>>>>> Lucas
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A factor, undoubtedly.
Doesn't explain or excuse it all though does it?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083556#msg1083556 date=1270622493]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
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Alonso >>>>>>>> Lucas
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A factor, undoubtedly.
Doesn't explain or excuse it all though does it?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083556#msg1083556 date=1270622493]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
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yeah I'd like to hear that as well. 'no supply' I'd agree with but 'out of position'? no chance.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083554#msg1083554 date=1270622399]
Yeah, well... you're mostly played out of position and you get no supply from midfield when you are.
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Well, explain how he's played so well the previous 3 or 4 years in that "out of position" role then?
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yeah I'd like to hear that as well. 'no supply' I'd agree with but 'out of position'? no chance.
well if gerrard 'carried the team' as many people claimed then the loss of alonso shouldn't have made any difference to him. imho alonso was just as important to us as torres and gerrard, maybe more so as you have seen for yourself you can do fuck all if you don't have the ball.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083564#msg1083564 date=1270622845]
He has absolutley not played well there for four years. You're out of yer tree if that's what you honestly believe.
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played well WHERE for four years? gerrard has been a forward for 3 seasons now
He has absolutley not played well there for four years. You're out of yer tree if that's what you honestly believe.
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played well WHERE for four years? gerrard has been a forward for 3 seasons now
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083564#msg1083564 date=1270622845]
He has absolutley not played well there for four years. You're out of yer tree if that's what you honestly believe.
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I did say "3 or 4" but fair enough, let's go with it.
Explain how he played well "out of position" for the previous 3 seasons then.
He has absolutley not played well there for four years. You're out of yer tree if that's what you honestly believe.
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I did say "3 or 4" but fair enough, let's go with it.
Explain how he played well "out of position" for the previous 3 seasons then.
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. It was only last year it was really considered he had made the position his own, but Torres and Alonso had everything to do with that.
He *can* do a good job there, but not when there's no supply from central midfield, which incidentally is his best position.
He *can* do a good job there, but not when there's no supply from central midfield, which incidentally is his best position.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083577#msg1083577 date=1270623378]
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. It was only last year it was really considered he had made the position his own, but Torres and Alonso had everything to do with that.
He *can* do a good job there, but not when there's no supply from central midfield.
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That is absolute nonsense Robin.
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. It was only last year it was really considered he had made the position his own, but Torres and Alonso had everything to do with that.
He *can* do a good job there, but not when there's no supply from central midfield.
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That is absolute nonsense Robin.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39693.msg1083573#msg1083573 date=1270623309]
Robin believes Gerrard lacks the technique, creativity and dribbling ability to be a true no. 10.
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Does someone have to fit into the parameters of what a No. 10 "should play like" in order to be qualified as a success then?
In my view, 20 goals a season 3 years running in that role outweighs everything that Robin "thinks".
Robin believes Gerrard lacks the technique, creativity and dribbling ability to be a true no. 10.
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Does someone have to fit into the parameters of what a No. 10 "should play like" in order to be qualified as a success then?
In my view, 20 goals a season 3 years running in that role outweighs everything that Robin "thinks".
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083577#msg1083577 date=1270623378]
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. It was only last year it was really considered he had made the position his own, but Torres and Alonso had everything to do with that.
He *can* do a good job there
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Seriously, I can't let this go. We're not talking about Carra at left-back here Robin.
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
Fuck me.
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. It was only last year it was really considered he had made the position his own, but Torres and Alonso had everything to do with that.
He *can* do a good job there
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Seriously, I can't let this go. We're not talking about Carra at left-back here Robin.
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
Fuck me.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083577#msg1083577 date=1270623378]
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. [/quote]
are you serious? gerrard has not been more prolific in his entire CAREER than when played behind the out and out striker.
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. [/quote]
are you serious? gerrard has not been more prolific in his entire CAREER than when played behind the out and out striker.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
Of course, though, he's got more than enough ability to recieve a good ball off a creative deep lying central midfielder and either score or play the appropriate pass to the world class striker ahead of him who can, with his natural ability, turn any half chance into a genuine scoring opportunity... and this was the case when he won those awards.
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
Of course, though, he's got more than enough ability to recieve a good ball off a creative deep lying central midfielder and either score or play the appropriate pass to the world class striker ahead of him who can, with his natural ability, turn any half chance into a genuine scoring opportunity... and this was the case when he won those awards.
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[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083577#msg1083577 date=1270623378]
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. [/quote]
are you serious? gerrard has not been more prolific in his entire CAREER than when played behind the out and out striker.
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It was only last season he played there that consistently.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083577#msg1083577 date=1270623378]
Three years then. He hasn't looked like a quality second striker for three years. [/quote]
are you serious? gerrard has not been more prolific in his entire CAREER than when played behind the out and out striker.
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It was only last season he played there that consistently.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083588#msg1083588 date=1270624313]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
Of course, though, he's got more than enough ability to recieve a good ball off a creative deep lying central midfielder and either score or play the appropriate pass to the world class striker ahead of him who can, with his natural ability, turn any half chance into a genuine scoring opportunity... and this was the case when he won those awards.
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somthing better than scoring a goal you mean? read again - most prolific forward line in the league.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
Of course, though, he's got more than enough ability to recieve a good ball off a creative deep lying central midfielder and either score or play the appropriate pass to the world class striker ahead of him who can, with his natural ability, turn any half chance into a genuine scoring opportunity... and this was the case when he won those awards.
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somthing better than scoring a goal you mean? read again - most prolific forward line in the league.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083591#msg1083591 date=1270624580]
You're not actually contradicting me though, are you Spidey
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well anyway, seeing as mash/lucas was and is a creativity vacume then maybe he should drop into midfield but with aqua should have played more often this season meaning gerrard staying in the poition he can hurt teams as high up the pitch as possibly. we'll see in the summer if rafa cuts his losses with aqua.
You're not actually contradicting me though, are you Spidey
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well anyway, seeing as mash/lucas was and is a creativity vacume then maybe he should drop into midfield but with aqua should have played more often this season meaning gerrard staying in the poition he can hurt teams as high up the pitch as possibly. we'll see in the summer if rafa cuts his losses with aqua.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083598#msg1083598 date=1270625840]
When Gerrard scored his most goals ever in a season, despite what Benitez saying about them coming from the right, he scored more than half bursting forward from central midfield. I don't think dropping him deeper would upset his goal return much.
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it definately would as you have to be more disiplined in the center of midfield.
the evidence is there, gh played gerrard at CM and only when he was moved further up the pitch did his goal return explode.
When Gerrard scored his most goals ever in a season, despite what Benitez saying about them coming from the right, he scored more than half bursting forward from central midfield. I don't think dropping him deeper would upset his goal return much.
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it definately would as you have to be more disiplined in the center of midfield.
the evidence is there, gh played gerrard at CM and only when he was moved further up the pitch did his goal return explode.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39693.msg1083600#msg1083600 date=1270626048]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083598#msg1083598 date=1270625840]
When Gerrard scored his most goals ever in a season, despite what Benitez saying about them coming from the right, he scored more than half bursting forward from central midfield. I don't think dropping him deeper would upset his goal return much.
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it definately would as you have to be more disiplined in the center of midfield.
the evidence is there, gh played gerrard at CM and only when he was moved further up the pitch did his goal return explode.
[/quote]Gerrard was a dm for most of the frenchman's reign.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083598#msg1083598 date=1270625840]
When Gerrard scored his most goals ever in a season, despite what Benitez saying about them coming from the right, he scored more than half bursting forward from central midfield. I don't think dropping him deeper would upset his goal return much.
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it definately would as you have to be more disiplined in the center of midfield.
the evidence is there, gh played gerrard at CM and only when he was moved further up the pitch did his goal return explode.
[/quote]Gerrard was a dm for most of the frenchman's reign.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39693.msg1083644#msg1083644 date=1270630893]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39693.msg1083600#msg1083600 date=1270626048]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083598#msg1083598 date=1270625840]
When Gerrard scored his most goals ever in a season, despite what Benitez saying about them coming from the right, he scored more than half bursting forward from central midfield. I don't think dropping him deeper would upset his goal return much.
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it definately would as you have to be more disiplined in the center of midfield.
the evidence is there, gh played gerrard at CM and only when he was moved further up the pitch did his goal return explode.
[/quote]Gerrard was a dm for most of the frenchman's reign.
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No he wasn't
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39693.msg1083600#msg1083600 date=1270626048]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083598#msg1083598 date=1270625840]
When Gerrard scored his most goals ever in a season, despite what Benitez saying about them coming from the right, he scored more than half bursting forward from central midfield. I don't think dropping him deeper would upset his goal return much.
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it definately would as you have to be more disiplined in the center of midfield.
the evidence is there, gh played gerrard at CM and only when he was moved further up the pitch did his goal return explode.
[/quote]Gerrard was a dm for most of the frenchman's reign.
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No he wasn't
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I'm pretty sure there were loads of calls to 'unleash gerrard' in houlliers time. He was shackled from what I recall.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
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Like his goal on Sunday at Birmingham you mean?
I'm sure I could pick out 20 more goals/assists/egineered opportunities in tight spaces too...
I can kinda see where you're coming from with this Robin, and agree with what you've got to say for the most part, but you're talking absolute rubbish with this one, and all evidence of the last 3 years demonstrates that.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
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Like his goal on Sunday at Birmingham you mean?
I'm sure I could pick out 20 more goals/assists/egineered opportunities in tight spaces too...
I can kinda see where you're coming from with this Robin, and agree with what you've got to say for the most part, but you're talking absolute rubbish with this one, and all evidence of the last 3 years demonstrates that.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=39693.msg1083588#msg1083588 date=1270624313]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
Of course, though, he's got more than enough ability to recieve a good ball off a creative deep lying central midfielder and either score or play the appropriate pass to the world class striker ahead of him who can, with his natural ability, turn any half chance into a genuine scoring opportunity... and this was the case when he won those awards.
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*Agrees with this*
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39693.msg1083584#msg1083584 date=1270623701]
20 goals a season, PFA and Football Writers player of the Year in that position, yet he can only "do a job" there?
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You know as wll as anyone that for all that to happen it's as much about the team as the individual. Of course Gerrard can score goals for fun when the opportunities are there - I'm not saying he isn't a quality finisher - but he can't make something from nothing at second striker the way he can from CM, because if he receives the ball in an unflattering position that high up the pitch he doesn't have the natural attributes to turn it into something better.
Of course, though, he's got more than enough ability to recieve a good ball off a creative deep lying central midfielder and either score or play the appropriate pass to the world class striker ahead of him who can, with his natural ability, turn any half chance into a genuine scoring opportunity... and this was the case when he won those awards.
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*Agrees with this*
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