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How many goals and assists does Adam have so far? Just curious like?

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In the league 1 goal, 4 assists.

i.e. more than Meireles
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In how many appearances?

Just curious like.
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10 apps Wiz.
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It is 2 goals and 4 assists in 10 appearances.
 
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[quote author=RedStar link=topic=47340.msg1419890#msg1419890 date=1320063937]
We effectively swapped Ming for Adam, now the common consensus on Ming was that his worst attribute was a reluctance to put in a tackle and generally being a bit soft despite his obvious passing and goal scoring quality. Adam on the other hand is so slow that he is in no danger of shirking a tackle because his opposing player could easily beat him for pace by jogging. Anybody who thinks Mereiles wouldnt be a useful asset to have right now is nuts, and as for the "you cant keep a player who wants to leave" theory it has been disproved many times, Modric is currently doing it, ronaldo was the best player in the league for two years despite begging to go to Madrid every summer and Fabregas was Arsenals best player even though he demanded a move to Barca every 6 months like clockwork

Clearly Kenny sees something in Adam and didnt with Ming, so be it, but Adam cannot replace Gerrard, Ming did was head and shoulders our best midfielder when asked to perform the same job
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I have no problem with most of this post - Would I rather have Ming? Yes.

My issues are:

1) goal scoring quality? He had a fantastic stretch (5 in 6 I think) and that was all his goals for the yaer. Sorry, that's not goal scoring quality - and his track record, as far as I remember, for Porto and Portugal echos similar stats.

2) Your comparisons of disgruntled players who are the best player on their respective teams, who are paid very well and were guaranteed 1st team minutes. Meirless, with all due respect, was not paid well (I don't know what the story is with his raise - our fault, his - whatever) and wasn't in Kenny's 1st 11 plans this year. That means he could very well have become a problem ...

Still wish he was an option to have ... But again, I think we'll be fine without him and won't regret this move long term (short term - we haven't yet, and hopefully won't either)
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I have a problem with Redstar in that he's talking nonsense. Adam has proved to be a very decent tackler, like 1000% better at it than Ming. His runs from deep also have opened up defences on numerous occasions, proving he is much more mobile than some people think. In our last game against West Brom, Adam covered 11.5Km, more than any other player on the pitch.

He already has 4 assists in 10 games. Ming had a decent but very unspectacular 7 for the whole of last season. Ming also weighed in with 5 goals. 5. Half the number Maxi scored, who Redstar isn't wanking on about. If Adam doesn't manage double that this season I'll be surprised. Adam's set-piece delivery is also wickedly good. Again, another tick beside his name that Ming lacks.


I'd rather have Adam. Easily.
 
I think to make like for like comparisons Adam needs to play half a season out wide and out of position though. Adam is growing on me slightly but still unconvinced about mobility, time on the ball needed and fitness levels at the moment. Struggles in a midfield two at times too. Still, signs of improvement
 
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I think to make like for like comparisons Adam needs to play half a season out wide and out of position though. Adam is growing on me slightly but still unconvinced about mobility, time on the ball needed and fitness levels at the moment. Struggles in a midfield two at times too. Still, signs of improvement
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Ming was shite out wide and Adam would be too. What's to learn?

Sunny, if fitness is such a concern, how do you explain him running further than any player on the pitch on saturday?

Do people not appreciate his brilliance at putting in dead balls too. He is of great benefit for us.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47340.msg1420128#msg1420128 date=1320088968]
I think to make like for like comparisons Adam needs to play half a season out wide and out of position though. Adam is growing on me slightly but still unconvinced about mobility, time on the ball needed and fitness levels at the moment. Struggles in a midfield two at times too. Still, signs of improvement
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Ming was shite out wide and Adam would be too. What's to learn?

Sunny, if fitness is such a concern, how do you explain him running further than any player on the pitch on saturday?

Do people not appreciate his brilliance at putting in dead balls too. He is of great benefit for us.
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He does deliver a great dead ball, yes - I don't doubt that. As for fitness, well one game is one game. What about Norwich when he was out his feet after 65 minutes ? If his fitness is improving consistently then that's a good thing and I look forward to it. I'm not writing him off Doc, just saying there are areas for improvement - like many of our players.
 
On the Ming out wide issue you can only compare stats fairly if the circumstances for players are similar - that's my point. Ming has 4 assists and a goal for Chelsea in 12 games, 5 of those appearances as a sub. So there's some comparison that could be used there. End of the day, I don't see why Ming and Adam couldn't both play a part in our squad - especially given Gerrards fitness issues
 
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We effectively swapped Ming for Adam, now the common consensus on Ming was that his worst attribute was a reluctance to put in a tackle and generally being a bit soft despite his obvious passing and goal scoring quality. Adam on the other hand is so slow that he is in no danger of shirking a tackle because his opposing player could easily beat him for pace by jogging. Anybody who thinks Mereiles wouldnt be a useful asset to have right now is nuts, and as for the "you cant keep a player who wants to leave" theory it has been disproved many times, Modric is currently doing it, ronaldo was the best player in the league for two years despite begging to go to Madrid every summer and Fabregas was Arsenals best player even though he demanded a move to Barca every 6 months like clockwork

Clearly Kenny sees something in Adam and didnt with Ming, so be it, but Adam cannot replace Gerrard, Ming did was head and shoulders our best midfielder when asked to perform the same job
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I have no problem with most of this post - Would I rather have Ming? Yes.

My issues are:

1) goal scoring quality? He had a fantastic stretch (5 in 6 I think) and that was all his goals for the yaer. Sorry, that's not goal scoring quality - and his track record, as far as I remember, for Porto and Portugal echos similar stats.

2) Your comparisons of disgruntled players who are the best player on their respective teams, who are paid very well and were guaranteed 1st team minutes. Meirless, with all due respect, was not paid well (I don't know what the story is with his raise - our fault, his - whatever) and wasn't in Kenny's 1st 11 plans this year. That means he could very well have become a problem ...

Still wish he was an option to have ... But again, I think we'll be fine without him and won't regret this move long term (short term - we haven't yet, and hopefully won't either)
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I have a problem with Redstar in that he's talking nonsense. Adam has proved to be a very decent tackler, like 1000% better at it than Ming. His runs from deep also have opened up defences on numerous occasions, proving he is much more mobile than some people think. In our last game against West Brom, Adam covered 11.5Km, more than any other player on the pitch.

He already has 4 assists in 10 games. Ming had a decent but very unspectacular 7 for the whole of last season. Ming also weighed in with 5 goals. 5. Half the number Maxi scored, who Redstar isn't wanking on about. If Adam doesn't manage double that this season I'll be surprised. Adam's set-piece delivery is also wickedly good. Again, another tick beside his name that Ming lacks.


I'd rather have Adam. Easily.
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Yeah Adam is a better tackler, no doubt about it but he does not have the engine to dominate a game in the middle of the park and players can ghost away from him pretty easily, the fact that he is taking penalties will obviously give him a good shot at reaching double figures this season. I didnt mention Maxi because he isnt really relevant to a discussion about central midfielder so Im not sure why you brought him up? although I am mystified as to why a player who was instrumental in our great form when Kenny took over seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth since then.

You clearly disagree but Id much rather have Mereiles in my team than Adam, who I think is far more easily nullified and needs to operate in a midfield 3 to be effective
 
Was Adam not good against west brom in a midfield 2?

I didn't see the game but I've heard he was good
 
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Was Adam not good against west brom in a midfield 2?

I didn't see the game but I've heard he was good
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Yeh he played well in a midfield 2. Against West Brom
 
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[quote author=RedStar link=topic=47340.msg1419890#msg1419890 date=1320063937]
We effectively swapped Ming for Adam, now the common consensus on Ming was that his worst attribute was a reluctance to put in a tackle and generally being a bit soft despite his obvious passing and goal scoring quality. Adam on the other hand is so slow that he is in no danger of shirking a tackle because his opposing player could easily beat him for pace by jogging. Anybody who thinks Mereiles wouldnt be a useful asset to have right now is nuts, and as for the "you cant keep a player who wants to leave" theory it has been disproved many times, Modric is currently doing it, ronaldo was the best player in the league for two years despite begging to go to Madrid every summer and Fabregas was Arsenals best player even though he demanded a move to Barca every 6 months like clockwork

Clearly Kenny sees something in Adam and didnt with Ming, so be it, but Adam cannot replace Gerrard, Ming did was head and shoulders our best midfielder when asked to perform the same job
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I have no problem with most of this post - Would I rather have Ming? Yes.

My issues are:

1) goal scoring quality? He had a fantastic stretch (5 in 6 I think) and that was all his goals for the yaer. Sorry, that's not goal scoring quality - and his track record, as far as I remember, for Porto and Portugal echos similar stats.

2) Your comparisons of disgruntled players who are the best player on their respective teams, who are paid very well and were guaranteed 1st team minutes. Meirless, with all due respect, was not paid well (I don't know what the story is with his raise - our fault, his - whatever) and wasn't in Kenny's 1st 11 plans this year. That means he could very well have become a problem ...

Still wish he was an option to have ... But again, I think we'll be fine without him and won't regret this move long term (short term - we haven't yet, and hopefully won't either)
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I have a problem with Redstar in that he's talking nonsense. Adam has proved to be a very decent tackler, like 1000% better at it than Ming. His runs from deep also have opened up defences on numerous occasions, proving he is much more mobile than some people think. In our last game against West Brom, Adam covered 11.5Km, more than any other player on the pitch.

He already has 4 assists in 10 games. Ming had a decent but very unspectacular 7 for the whole of last season. Ming also weighed in with 5 goals. 5. Half the number Maxi scored, who Redstar isn't wanking on about. If Adam doesn't manage double that this season I'll be surprised. Adam's set-piece delivery is also wickedly good. Again, another tick beside his name that Ming lacks.


I'd rather have Adam. Easily.
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Tell me your on a wind up Doc. Otherwise you need to either start or stop self medicating - whichever the case may be.

Ming is getting nowhere near the game time at Chelsea as Adam gets with us yet his stats are quite comparable. He proved his worth for us as soon as Kenny took over last season and was the one responsible for igniting our charge. Kenny, for some reason, doesn't see what pretty much everyone else sees or it could be that Ming was a trouble maker behind the scenes somehow. Whatever, he's gone, the team clearly misses him in performance terms, our table position regrets he's no longer with us but as a club the focus needs to be on making sure it's not a long term regret.

I'm pretty sure that Adam is not a long term solution for us - certainly not as a long term midfield 2. You can talk about him developing his fitness all you like - he's in better shape now than in quite some time and he's struggling against the likes of Norwich. We want to have someone who can handle the likes of manu, city, chelsea, Real, Barca.... imagine Adam trying to keep up with Barca at the moment.

He can be good for us in a midfield 3 - very good in fact. But the reality is, IMO, that he's been bought largely for his set piece delivery. He just doesn't have the engine for a high level game in a midfield 2.
 
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We effectively swapped Ming for Adam, now the common consensus on Ming was that his worst attribute was a reluctance to put in a tackle and generally being a bit soft despite his obvious passing and goal scoring quality. Adam on the other hand is so slow that he is in no danger of shirking a tackle because his opposing player could easily beat him for pace by jogging. Anybody who thinks Mereiles wouldnt be a useful asset to have right now is nuts, and as for the "you cant keep a player who wants to leave" theory it has been disproved many times, Modric is currently doing it, ronaldo was the best player in the league for two years despite begging to go to Madrid every summer and Fabregas was Arsenals best player even though he demanded a move to Barca every 6 months like clockwork

Clearly Kenny sees something in Adam and didnt with Ming, so be it, but Adam cannot replace Gerrard, Ming did was head and shoulders our best midfielder when asked to perform the same job
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I have no problem with most of this post - Would I rather have Ming? Yes.

My issues are:

1) goal scoring quality? He had a fantastic stretch (5 in 6 I think) and that was all his goals for the yaer. Sorry, that's not goal scoring quality - and his track record, as far as I remember, for Porto and Portugal echos similar stats.

2) Your comparisons of disgruntled players who are the best player on their respective teams, who are paid very well and were guaranteed 1st team minutes. Meirless, with all due respect, was not paid well (I don't know what the story is with his raise - our fault, his - whatever) and wasn't in Kenny's 1st 11 plans this year. That means he could very well have become a problem ...

Still wish he was an option to have ... But again, I think we'll be fine without him and won't regret this move long term (short term - we haven't yet, and hopefully won't either)
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I have a problem with Redstar in that he's talking nonsense. Adam has proved to be a very decent tackler, like 1000% better at it than Ming. His runs from deep also have opened up defences on numerous occasions, proving he is much more mobile than some people think. In our last game against West Brom, Adam covered 11.5Km, more than any other player on the pitch.

He already has 4 assists in 10 games. Ming had a decent but very unspectacular 7 for the whole of last season. Ming also weighed in with 5 goals. 5. Half the number Maxi scored, who Redstar isn't wanking on about. If Adam doesn't manage double that this season I'll be surprised. Adam's set-piece delivery is also wickedly good. Again, another tick beside his name that Ming lacks.


I'd rather have Adam. Easily.
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Tell me your on a wind up Doc. Otherwise you need to either start or stop self medicating - whichever the case may be.

Ming is getting nowhere near the game time at Chelsea as Adam gets with us yet his stats are quite comparable. He proved his worth for us as soon as Kenny took over last season and was the one responsible for igniting our charge. Kenny, for some reason, doesn't see what pretty much everyone else sees or it could be that Ming was a trouble maker behind the scenes somehow. Whatever, he's gone, the team clearly misses him in performance terms, our table position regrets he's no longer with us but as a club the focus needs to be on making sure it's not a long term regret.

I'm pretty sure that Adam is not a long term solution for us - certainly not as a long term midfield 2. You can talk about him developing his fitness all you like - he's in better shape now than in quite some time and he's struggling against the likes of Norwich. We want to have someone who can handle the likes of manu, city, chelsea, Real, Barca.... imagine Adam trying to keep up with Barca at the moment.

He can be good for us in a midfield 3 - very good in fact. But the reality is, IMO, that he's been bought largely for his set piece delivery. He just doesn't have the engine for a high level game in a midfield 2.
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'He hasn't got the engine'. What does this nonsense mean when he covered more ground than any other player against WB (where he was part of a midfield 2)?

Doesn't that stat suggest 'he's got the engine'?

I don't think he faded against Norwich either. He was still pressing at the end of the game and could have won us it. I think people are finding it hard to overcome decisions they've made about Adam.
 
Adam was struggling after 65 minutes against Norwich Doc whether you can accept that or not - like he has done in most games this year. I'm not coming across all match going superfan here but when you watch the game on a telly or stream all you ever see is 30% of the pitch and probably 40% of the on the field movement at any one time. It's hard to see everything that's going on. That's not a dig at anyone but it's a fact - I notice the difference when I watch games on the box. So it's difficult to see how a player is fully performing when they're not near the ball. I've got no issues overcoming my initial impressions at all with any player unlike many on here. He had a much improved and very decent game against West Brom. See? Quite easy for me to do that. I'd like to see these statistics though as regards Adams running. As far as I'm concerned though one swallow does not make a summer and, when Adam starts showing fitness, some mobility and starts moving the ball quicker on regular occasions (which there's still question marks over for me) I'll be more than happy to accept Adam will be an acceptable starting player for us. At the moment he suffers from the very same problem as Lucas does - he's an average player and we will need better than him if we wish to win the league.
 
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You clearly disagree but Id much rather have Mereiles in my team than Adam, who I think is far more easily nullified and needs to operate in a midfield 3 to be effective
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Meireles, who only started playing well once pushed to the front of a midfield three. This argument is fucking stupid, they play different roles and neither are particularly good defensively, but Adam will probably get at least as many goals and assists - from a deeper role.
 
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Adam was struggling after 65 minutes against Norwich Doc whether you can accept that or not - like he has done in most games this year. I'm not coming across all match going superfan here but when you watch the game on a telly or stream all you ever see is 30% of the pitch and probably 40% of the on the field movement at any one time. It's hard to see everything that's going on. That's not a dig at anyone but it's a fact - I notice the difference when I watch games on the box. So it's difficult to see how a player is fully performing when they're not near the ball. I've got no issues overcoming my initial impressions at all with any player unlike many on here. He had a much improved and very decent game against West Brom. See? Quite easy for me to do that. I'd like to see these statistics though as regards Adams running. As far as I'm concerned though one swallow does not make a summer and, when Adam starts showing fitness, some mobility and starts moving the ball quicker on regular occasions (which there's still question marks over for me) I'll be more than happy to accept Adam will be an acceptable starting player for us. At the moment he suffers from the very same problem as Lucas does - he's an average player and we will need better than him if we wish to win the league.
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Adam's fitness looked alright against the Champions, infact he got better as the game wore on, winning the freekick for the goal by bursting past a few players with that slug-like pace of his that stops him from being able to run and stuff.
 
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You clearly disagree but Id much rather have Mereiles in my team than Adam, who I think is far more easily nullified and needs to operate in a midfield 3 to be effective
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Meireles, who only started playing well once pushed to the front of a midfield three. This argument is fucking stupid, they play different roles and neither are particularly good defensively, but Adam will probably get at least as many goals and assists - from a deeper role.
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meaning we also then get the benefit of a front 2 of carroll and suarez, which so far seems to work when played.
 
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Adam's fitness looked alright against the Champions, infact he got better as the game wore on, winning the freekick for the goal by bursting past a few players with that slug-like pace of his that stops him from being able to run and stuff.
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Disagree Mark it didn't. I've not mentioned pace once although he doesn't have much. It wasn't pace that took him past the players but skill. That foul was in the 67th minute and came from an infrequent burst of energy he faded as usual after that. The lad has fitness issues - he did at Blackpool and has done here- that's not to say they're not improving though. Which will be a good thing.
 
I know he has fitness/stamina issues and he's not the quickest (neither was Xabi) but he does have skill on the ball and the ability to keep it moving. He's getting better and hopefully fitter, he's got goals and assists. Redstar's point about Adam 'only being able to play in a midfield three' is stupid, most of our midfielders over the last few years have been like that, certainly they've all benefited from it at some point, none moreso than Ming, who he seems to be championing as being capable of playing in a two, just because he's more mobile, which is just laughable.
 
Well I've made a case earlier for having both of them in the team I don't see why it should have been one or the other meself - both have goals and assists to be fair. Adam is improving though, yes. He needs to keep working on his fitness. I'd like to see him move the ball quicker at times (again which is improving) and, when in a midfield two - especially with Lucas - need not to be playing on each others shoulders - both being guilty of that. s
 
Back to Gerrard: It seems like a strange "injury". Again. Will he recover or is he really fading away in injury-hell?
 
It's normal to pick up related injuries when back after a long lay off but it's still worrying.

Adam has been one of our most effective players and he's improving. Best passer in the side at the minute.
 
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At the moment he suffers from the very same problem as Lucas does - he's an average player and we will need better than him if we wish to win the league.
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You see you were doing a good job of pretending to be objective until this. You think he's 'average', and you aren't giving him a fair go. There is nothing average about the skill he showed to win us that free kick against the scum, or his simply sublime set-piece delivery- something we haven't had in too long. He also has a really cool head when bringing the ball out of a defensive situation. I love that about him, because it means we are rarely hemmed in.

He has many attributes that are far from average. I'll take your word that he faded against Norwich, but I do think most players cover less ground as a game wears on. It happens to be the case that you're looking for Adam in a way you wouldn't for most players. I'd be willing to wager that he covered more ground than most of the players on the pitch against them too.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47340.msg1420221#msg1420221 date=1320135879]
At the moment he suffers from the very same problem as Lucas does - he's an average player and we will need better than him if we wish to win the league.
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You see you were doing a good job of pretending to be objective until this.
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Would you claim to be objective regarding Adam?q
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47340.msg1420221#msg1420221 date=1320135879]
At the moment he suffers from the very same problem as Lucas does - he's an average player and we will need better than him if we wish to win the league.
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You see you were doing a good job of pretending to be objective until this.
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Would you claim to be objective regarding Adam?q
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Ha- probably not.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47340.msg1420221#msg1420221 date=1320135879]
At the moment he suffers from the very same problem as Lucas does - he's an average player and we will need better than him if we wish to win the league.
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You see you were doing a good job of pretending to be objective until this.
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Would you claim to be objective regarding Adam?q
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Labelling him average when he's probably been, where it matters most, one of our more effective players this season, is going down the other end of the spectrum, it's not like Doc Mac (or anyone) has put him on a par with anyone else. We're just saying if you look at the end product, a fair enough measure I'd say, then it's right to say over the course of ten games, to provide 2 goals and 4 assists (which have no doubt helped us pick up points) he's done 'well' enough. That's not the product of an average player, even a fat Scot who might lack a bit of stamina.
 
I was just pointing out, as doc has accepted, that he's not objective either being a big fan.

I don't see any harm in Sunny's starting point being that Adam is average. Everyone starts out with a particular point of view and it develops over time.

Either way I don't think you can use end product argument to counter a claim suggesting a player is average. The league is full of average players scoring goals and getting assists - we'd have a league full of top class players otherwise.
 
I'd have Adam in my team over Meireles any day of the week.

Just saying like.
 
There's only a handful of top players, granted, but does it mean everyone below that is average? If he provides where it matters and helps us have a good season, I don't see it as prudent to suggest he's a 'good' player and that's the point, no one is saying he's top brass, just like it's equally ludicrous to consider him 'average' just because he struggles at certain aspects of the game, don't many good players? I can only judge him on his contribution so far and it has been encouraging, in terms of end product. We've had enough fancy dans who've looked more elegant and probably been more naturally gifted but offered next to fuck all where it matters.
 
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Adam's fitness looked alright against the Champions, infact he got better as the game wore on, winning the freekick for the goal by bursting past a few players with that slug-like pace of his that stops him from being able to run and stuff.
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Exactly. This 'if he doesn't have lightening pace, ergo he is slower than a snail' argument was ridiculous ages ago and it's no better now. Adam has made several of those runs past defenders in recent matches - he's hardly 'slow'.
 
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Adam's fitness looked alright against the Champions, infact he got better as the game wore on, winning the freekick for the goal by bursting past a few players with that slug-like pace of his that stops him from being able to run and stuff.
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Exactly. This 'if he doesn't have lightening pace, ergo he is slower than a snail' argument was ridiculous ages ago and it's no better now. Adam has made several of those runs past defenders in recent matches - he's hardly 'slow'.
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This. Both of you.
 
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