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[mark1975]

I hope every player in our squad scores 4 goals (22 players x 4 = 88) and we win the league.
Just to fuck up this horrid discussion.

Why's it so horrid? Some people think we can still improve, some people think what we have is enough. Most people have been fairly respectful about it all and it's raised some interesting points. The only thing so unbearable in the whole thread is the rose tinted bollocks from posters who are seething with the despair of people actually talking objectively about the team and where we can get better, like it's blasphemy or something.

Ok, let's put it another way. Does anyone think that Klopp won't buy another attacker next Summer? Would you turn down a 20+ goalscorer who fits this current system?

 

[Mamma Mia]

With respect, I think you're missing my point completely.

So the alternative to not having a player who is clinical and capable of grabbing large amount of goals, is to work on getting 2-3 more from the players we already have? Isn't that what we've already done this season, or on our way to doing, with Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho? How much more do you think we can realistically get from them? Lallana got 4 Premiership goals last season, Coutinho got 8 and Firmino got 10. That's 22 goals from three players who are instrumental to our current attack, an average of 7.3 each.

You and a few others have missed the point about a top goalscorer, it doesn't have to be someone who we over rely on (why do people keep taking this myopic view that it's an either/or?), it can be someone who fits the system and is prolific. Is that so fanciful? Really? Are you telling me you would turn down a host of big scoring strikers if they were available to us, because of this perspective over lesser numbers from more players?

And I'm missing the point.

No, I'm trying to tell you that no one would argue against that. Everyone would be happy with that. Most people are happy that we seem to be scoring well so far. Long may it continue, and if we add a top goalscorer or one of our current players gets 20+ or Karius gets 10 or any other wonderful way to get more goals we will all be happy.

One poster took a this myopic view you speak of. One poster insisted there was only one way we could win the league.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Would you turn down a 20+ goalscorer who fits this current system?

See my earlier suggestion of a poll Mark. Then you can argue with the rose tinted myopic fools who vote no.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Imagine if we had Rogerio Ceni as goalkeeper! Over 100 goals from him!

We'd go damn close to winning the league if our 'keeper scored 100 goals. Guaranteed CL spot, I reckon.

 

[cloggypop]

We'd go damn close to winning the league if our 'keeper scored 100 goals. Guaranteed CL spot, I reckon.

I'm not sure. It's never been done before so it is probably impossible.

 

[Frogfish]

...........You and a few others have missed the point about a top goalscorer, it doesn't have to be someone who we over rely on (why do people keep taking this myopic view that it's an either/or?), it can be someone who fits the system and is prolific. Is that so fanciful? Really? Are you telling me you would turn down a host of big scoring strikers if they were available to us, because of this perspective over lesser numbers from more players?.............

I don't think there's a single Liverpool supporter who would not want a Coutinho/Firmino/Lallana/Mane type player who scores 20+ a season. Who wouldn't ?

However that is for the future and the debate was about whether or not the PL is winnable this season without a player of that ilk. My stance (and others) has been that empirical evidence has proven that it is possible (11 times in the PL era as we can see above).

Brendan doesn't like that and was basically stating that we won't / can't win it because we don't have a 20+ goals a season striker (see his post just above restating %s as supporting his opinion - despite the stats also offering a reasonable chance of success for a team without a 20+ striker).

The debate was never about going forward it was that without Sturridge (who has only done it once anyway) we don't have a player in our squad who could achieve that THIS season and therefore are not serious title aspirants.

 

[Ryan]

I can obviously see the many benefits of not relying on one player to score all of your goals - even if Vardy and Leicester isn't a great example, because Mahrez also contributed 17 Premiership goals.

I suppose the main thrust of the argument is, that if it is so obvious and beneficial, how come the team that wins the title always has at least one player that scored 20 Premiership goals? Almost as if......there's a really, really obvious pattern.

Leicester - Vardy 24, Mahrez 17
Chelsea - Costa 20
City - Toure 20, Aguero 17
United - RVP 26
City - Aguero 23
United - Berbatov 20
Chelsea - Drogba 29

So, my concern is that we don't appear to have that calibre of striker (on the pitch anyway).

Am I on my own here? Is everyone else quite happy that we'll be the team to buck that trend? Based on what?

Based on the fact that no team has scored more goals after 10 games this season, or since Klopp started with us. I could end there, but I'll go on.

We've had the hardest run of fixtures of any side in the league, and we're averaging 2.4 goals per game - without this famed "striker" you're banging on about.

Perhaps your views on the imperative of a traditional 'striker' are dated? I'm not being a cunt for the sake of it, I'm being serious - we're scoring at will - consistently. What's the issue?

Since the morning of our first game of the season against Arsenal when you posited that a front 4 of Mane, Coutinho, Lallana, and Firmino wasn't quick enough and didn't have enough goal threat (they scored 4 and took the fucking piss) - you've been consistently wrong.

That's why no one agrees with you.

 

[Woland]

The issue has never been about a striker scoring loads of goals. You're all wasting your time debating a point that everyone agrees on. This whole topic is about Brendan's pathological inability to say he was wrong about Firmino being shit.

 

[Ryan]

The issue has never been about a striker scoring loads of goals. You're all wasting your time debating a point that everyone agrees on. This whole topic is about Brendan's pathological inability to say he was wrong about Firmino being shit.

I like Brendan, as he knows, but this is Glock-lite this shit.

He knows it too, but is hoping his ability to outwit and outsmart 90% of the forum gets him through.

As Oncy once said; if everyone on the forum disagrees with you, then you're probably wrong.