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I was thinking that perhaps we don’t need superstars to be Klopps Liverpool 2.0 that wins everything we just need fresh players who can run forever, press like demons, have time to learn the patterns of play and stay fit.
Dont wanna take our chances too often like that.
He isn't going to do the flicks in the box, but that third goal where he just gets the ball and springs the counter and finishes, that's how we work. He's tidy, rather than flashy, but his passing and ball retention are very impressive.
Midfielders put a shift in and forwards not missing really helps everyone.
Well I'll be honest, when I saw Tits was dropped for Hendo yesterday I feared the worst. But the silky Spanish supremo would have just got in the way. I don't think we need a midfield anymore. Three bags of cement on the halfway line will do the trick.
Buy more left sided attackers please. We beat the scum 7-0.
Buy more left sided attackers please. We beat the scum 7-0.
It's very different to saying someone was shit in a game to saying he was the wrong buy.
Comments like this from our resident 'they're all shit' poster:
'Shite. He won’t get a look in ahead of Jota, Diaz or Donkey. Shitty transfer strategy strikes again.'
That, after a few games IS an over reaction and can be called out later as it's stupid.
I certainly had my reservations about him in his first several games, and think I commented on it, but those extreme comments are crazy talk, particularly from Liverpool's own 'supporters'.
The opposite point of view is he’s turned it on for a few games. Will that continue? Time will tell.
We still have a shite strategy because we needed to plug midfield first.
We still have a shite strategy because we needed to plug midfield first.
Those extreme comments, I believe anyway, are just Keys style banter.
This website is nothing if not an array of characters and OTT visages. Everyone starts their day with a big bowl of hyperbole.
I very much doubt Darwizzy logs on, sees #maddonkeyfanclub and gets pumped up.
The genuine criticisms on players are far more earnest and well articulated than "he's shite"
This website is nothing if not an array of characters and OTT visages. Everyone starts their day with a big bowl of hyperbole.
I very much doubt Darwizzy logs on, sees #maddonkeyfanclub and gets pumped up.
The genuine criticisms on players are far more earnest and well articulated than "he's shite"
Well.. no… criticisms are valid when they have some substance and evidence that over time.
Gakpo’s work ethic or application couldn’t be questioned either.
Let’s do it another way - Bobby was shit when he first signed - because he was played out of position, was in a non-functional team.. whatever…
There’s nothing wrong with calling out someone not performing after they’ve been given a chance.
Ruirk started this thread on 21st Jan - how does anyone make a call on a player after 3 weeks
I’d almost suggest Rurik started the thread to out absolute whoppers with the patience of a 3 year old - and sone genuinely good posters jumped on it due to frustrations with the team elsewhere.
I just hate this snap judgement bullshit.
Gakpo is probably central to how Klopp 2.0 sets up - he’s faster, more physically imposing and better at finishing than Bobby, but less skilful and not as good at pressing.
So… to your point, criticisms aren’t valid when they’re made - they’re valid when they’re backed up by a body of evidence.
It’s not “point scoring” to hold fire on an opinion “either way” on a player until he’s had a decent time to bed in - that’s just being sensible.
3 weeks isn’t a decent length of time.
But that’s balls and you know it.
From almost day one he was tasked with linking the forward line to the midfield - in a way that Nunez in the central role couldn’t (that’s not a criticism of Nunez - that’s just not his game or where he’s best utilised).
He’s not the second coming of a Bergkamp or Cantona in some respects - but he’s a 1 in 2 goals per game, and his figures suggest he’s on an upward trend, despite transferring to a more difficult league.
He’s doing well.
That is all.
You have similar sample sizes of bad and good games. Which one is more indicative of his future performances because we all know players can have little purple patches?
He came in and done absolutely nothing of note for the first 3 or 4 games. History will tell us that those who can play for us hit the ground running. You can tell they have “it”. From day 1 you knew Salah, Mané, Jota, Diaz, Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler had the balls to play for us. Cody looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
There will be players in both those categories. Some will make an instant impact others need time. Regardless people shouldnt write of a player after 2-4 games.
Examples of players that needed time: Robertson, Fabinho, Thiago, Gini, Konate, Matip, Firmino.
Gakpo came into the team at the worst possible time but is starting to show what he can do now. Just give him more time.
My examples were all forwards. You’ve listed the one forward who needed time and succeeded. With the others, they showed glimpses. Thiago looked great from the off but got injured. Gini I don’t remember struggling to do what he continued to do for us.
Aye, bit bizarre why he couldn't be given some minutes yesterday.....did we really need Milner or Jones on the pitch?
Nope. The only reason Jones should’ve come on was to kung fu Penandes and take the 3 match ban.
Voted "too early" but was really tempted to go for "he's shite"
Like one of those Asian movies where our hero is a snivelling, lazy, good for nothing coward until one stormy night he snaps after getting slapped by his ex's 14 Yr old sister (or gets a blowjob) and turns into ichi the killer.
Like one of those Asian movies where our hero is a snivelling, lazy, good for nothing coward until one stormy night he snaps after getting slapped by his ex's 14 Yr old sister (or gets a blowjob) and turns into ichi the killer.
I mean that sounds more something Milner would take more pleasure in doing....do a whole better job at that too.
That would be.because he didn't crunch someone's legs. No no no I don't like that at all!
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Thank you for your honesty.
You should still be ashamed of yourself....hope you live with that guilt for the rest of your life.
Fowler and Owen came through our own set up. Mane, Salah and Jota already had experience from the league when they joined. Suarez struggled for the first 6 months if we are honest. 4 goals in 13 games and ton of missed chances etc. Torres came from Atletico and had loads of experience already but he is probably the prime example of delivering from the start when coming from another league.
Players have different backgrounds, experience and how long time they will need to adapt will be very individual.
So, maybe Gakpo needs 6 months, who knows.
No, criticisms are valid when they're said. Not when you're making an assessment months down the line. Thats a judgement on ability, rather than first impressions. and first impressions from gakpo was he was shite. That first game the body evidence we had showed he was shite. the next game.. again. and so on. The first few games the overwhelming body of evidence was he couldn't hack the league
So, straight off, people could level the criticism at gakpo, as against wolves and the first few games he was shite and on the periphery. The work rate wasn't there. If you disagree, fine, but thats just lying to yourself.
next, yes he came in to a dysfunctional team, however we just spent 40m and he had ridiculous stats in holland which seemed outlandish, especially when we had huge gaping areas that we needed to look at.
It's not point scoring to withhold judgement, but it is point scoring to go "see you were wrong", 2 months after perfectly valid criticisms.
If you don't like snap judgements or first impressions, don't engage with them.
More often than not they showed their class. You could tell Suarez’s on his debut despite being massively unfit. Diaz too came in and got you off your seat from the off. A forward taking time to bed in and be successful here is the exception and not the norm.
Nothing to do with point scoring or I told you so or any of that.
There's a pretty basic rule which new signings are given a bit of time to settle before judging (good or bad), nevermind after 2 fucking games.
But it's also pretty basic to look at a player and say " he looks shite".
I don't think anyone should have to compile a portfolio on a player to have an initial gut reaction. Hell, i even voted "too early to tell" and have posted in here that i think he'll be decent for us. I'm plenty calm about it, i just dislike people being told how to support their team/players
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