Did not say that he does a bad job, merely stating that I feel Mings would do a better job
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Did not say that he does a bad job, merely stating that I feel Mings would do a better job
On an unrelated note, has your house ever been checked for having lead paint?
That first sentence is ludicrous. Matip came in because Gomez had been injured. He proceeded to do so well that Gomez had to wait until he got injured. End of.
So being more likely to give away penalties must mean that in three seasons he’s given a few away. At least more than other defenders on average. How many has he given away?
It’s rhetorical. He hasn’t. Which makes your argument irrelevant.
Exactly what I was saying... If Gomez was so good he would have been put straight back in the starting 11... If VVD injured, and was fit again you can be sure head would be slotted right back in there no matter how well Lovren,Gomez or matip is doing...
By the way, You do realise that saying "End Of" does not make you right
It wasn't intended to show that. It was intended to show that you're still trying to twist the facts into the shape of your own preconceptions, as a result of which your first sentence is hooey yet again. Because you've taken against Gomez you conveniently ignored the fact that Gomez, not Matip, was the man in possession when both were fit before Gomez got injured. And the comparison with Virgil is meaningless because nobody's pretending Gomez is as good as Virgil.
We can also ignore the fact that Gomez replacing Matip, earlier in the season, coincided with a significant increase in the number of clean sheets we kept.
Though, in fairness, this was offset by the number of penalties he gave away by manhandling every opposition player in the box
Though, in fairness, this was offset by the number of penalties he gave away by manhandling every opposition player in the box
I know I'm in the minority and I know we are lucky to have both BUT I am slightly happier with Matip (over Gomez) beside Van Dijk. The stats from this season suggest Gomez improves our defence more than Matip but stats over a short period of time are not always a good guide.
The thing I like about Matip (that Gomez doesn't have) is that he's a feisty, aggressive, mean Motherfucker who snarls and shouts his way through the game. IMO our main weakness is we have too many "nice" players (Mané, Gini, AA, Mo, Ox, Naby, Gomez etc) who don't cause much friction with the opposition. Even Hendo, Milner and Firmino "lose their shit" only so often (and even then it's not overly convincing..............it's nice guys getting a bit angry).
Van Dijk doesn't take shit and neither does Robbo (although he'll never be too intimidating at 5'9" and 11 stone). I want a proper "Mad Dog" in our team who growls, scowls and fouls like a bastard. A Souness-type, Suarez too was an arsey Mofo. All the top British teams have had them, Terry, Pallister, Keane, Stam, Schmeicel, Viera, Adams, Bould etc. I love it when Matip gets fouled and the forward profers the hand of apology; it's nearly always refused and swiped away and accompanied by verbals and a death-stare.
It looks great that we have the fewest red/yellow cards in the league but truth be told I'd rather we were "less nice" and we had at least one more Mad Dog in the squad.
The thing I like about Matip (that Gomez doesn't have) is that he's a feisty, aggressive, mean Motherfucker who snarls and shouts his way through the game. IMO our main weakness is we have too many "nice" players (Mané, Gini, AA, Mo, Ox, Naby, Gomez etc) who don't cause much friction with the opposition. Even Hendo, Milner and Firmino "lose their shit" only so often (and even then it's not overly convincing..............it's nice guys getting a bit angry).
Van Dijk doesn't take shit and neither does Robbo (although he'll never be too intimidating at 5'9" and 11 stone). I want a proper "Mad Dog" in our team who growls, scowls and fouls like a bastard. A Souness-type, Suarez too was an arsey Mofo. All the top British teams have had them, Terry, Pallister, Keane, Stam, Schmeicel, Viera, Adams, Bould etc. I love it when Matip gets fouled and the forward profers the hand of apology; it's nearly always refused and swiped away and accompanied by verbals and a death-stare.
It looks great that we have the fewest red/yellow cards in the league but truth be told I'd rather we were "less nice" and we had at least one more Mad Dog in the squad.
I hope Gomez is allowed to settle back into the CB role alongside Virge. His agent wants him to go back to London and has been discussing possible deals for more than a year now. When Matip was playing last season the agent was constantly trying to unsettle Gomez and urging him to go somewhere that would guarantee him a regular place. I think he's pretty happy here but it won't take much to get him thinking of moving if there's another spell on the sidelines.
I know what you mean, and Matip did really well when he came in after Gomez' injury. He's also better in the air, despite the fact that that's not where he's best.
Your own first para, though, sums up why I ultimately don't agree with you. I'll take reliable stats over snarls every time, and for me Gomez' stats have been compiled over a long enough period to make them reliable.
His agent sounds outrageously dense and short sighted, but then again most of them are. Playing under Klopp alongside VVD has propelled Gomez to one of the best CBs in the country, and he's in line to inherit VVDs throne. It's far too early for Gomez to move on and become the "main man", he's young and clearly still developing, and runs the risk of becoming another English almost man if he makes a bad move.
Absolutely. Virgil's excellence has improved the whole team, but Gomez perhaps most of all. Hopefully if the agent keeps flapping his gums Gomez may junk him.
I think a lot of people forgotten about what we are built to do by Shankly. In the first 5 years of FSG, it's all about trial and error with the manager appointment and football structure. I am glad they went for director of football way, but I am worried that our stat-man, Edwards are getting way too much plaudits for things he isn't key of, namely how a players have turned out so far. Well apart from Fabinho, Van Dijk and Alisson, most players are unknown quantity that was elevated by Klopp. We have some how cheated death with Klopp, and if we are not careful we may ended up being another Spurs.
We are over relying on Klopp with no sign of succession planning in place. Edwards hiring another manager that suits the club and the way we are playing now? I don't see it. Name like Gerrard being thrown into the mix, again I am not a fan of him being our manager. He was one hell of a player and captain for us, but I'd take Lampard any time of the day if I was asked to pick a manager to run my club.
As you mentioned, if Klopp walk, then what? FSG do owe us more than us owing them. We are paying customer who trusted them to be the trustee for the fans, the custodian, nothing more, nothing less. But if we as fans start to make excuses for them by saying things like "they saved us from oblivion", "they are businessman, Man City has a thieving ruler", and all that, then let's not bitch and moan when the time comes when Klopp leaves and we are back to where we were before he arrived.
Only just turned 23, an England international, his best years ahead of him.............you're gonna be looking at the best part of £100m. Chelsea must be nearly tapped-out after their big spending this summer and Spurs/Arsenal can't afford him........aside from..........why would he want to play for either of those! Saying all that, given the jokers that Chelsea have at CB he'd certainly be guaranteed a game.
I'm more than happy with VVD beside either Gomez or Matip and if we can ship Lovren out and get maybe Vertonghen on a freebie; or rely on Hoever/Fabinho as 4th choice cover then CB is sorted for the foreseeable future.
You talk about hooey...?? So who was it who said
So as I said "IF" VVD came back from a injury regardless "IF" it was Matip Or Lovren VVD would step right back in... So why was it not the case with Gomez and Matip...??
Beside The point I was making at the very being of this, was If we sell Lovren Mings would be a very good replacement
The only problem with selling Lovren is that the whole world will know we have around £35m burning a hole in our pocket.
IF we sold Mane, Bobby and Salah next season in the long run they would be easier to reply than losing Klopp
Nut job using financial modelling to do this? Makes no sense to use financial modelling to derive stats for football players/teams. I hope our stat-craze recruitment team don't suddenly adopt this!
To be fair to the lone nutter, his hero thinks we should all inject bleach and shine sunlight up our arses to protect ourselves from COVID, so is it any wonder he ends up with football opinions like this
I think you've got the wrong "lone nutter".
How many penalties has he given away?
I won't keep on about it because I know I already sound like a broken record, but that's going to be the case for (just about) ALL clubs, so this idea that the market will operate normally except without us, rather than operate for all in a different way, is misleading and distracting people from thinking imaginatively about what can and should actually happen. We do have cash and we will - or should - have cash for transfers. The money from all sources doesn't go into one pot, and it doesn't come back out of one pot. And while we will probably be selling for much lower fees, we should also be buying at much lower fees. Even the Echo seems to have taken a step back and replaced their 'nothing can possibly happen' stance with a 'wait and see' stance. That's surely it at this stage.
FSG stole us for 230 million and now we're worth ten times that. Even if it were to take us into the red I don't think it's too much to ask of billionaires who've already made billions from us to bankroll a small percentage of it to keep us dominant throughout this crisis.
But that's not how they roll
But that's not how they roll
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