FSG owe us more ...

[Brizzle]

The investments they want to make in Anfield, training facilities, the backbone of the club is great. I'd much rather that balanced investment than purely on players - they are helping ensure the long term competitiveness of the club by doing this which also helps their likely agenda of wanting to sell in 5-8 years. I think they want to build a dynasty - imagine if we could win 3 PLs in the next 5 years, a couple of cups.

 

[Peatcheo]

I don't think Klopp will be asking for mega money though will he.

Werner is £50m+, anyone else would be back up position cover, plus we will be making a bit of money and shifting a good load off the wage bill in Lallana, Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic, Origi, and probably Lovren.

I just don't buy in to the fact we have no money, £50m or less for a PL club is not exactly going to put us in to big financial difficulty.

 

[MomoWASright]

Who will take those players? We need to shift those before signing anyone to release money up for wages and transfer fees.

 

[the count]

I don't think Klopp will be asking for mega money though will he.

Werner is £50m+, anyone else would be back up position cover, plus we will be making a bit of money and shifting a good load off the wage bill in Lallana, Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic, Origi, and probably Lovren.

I just don't buy in to the fact we have no money, £50m or less for a PL club is not exactly going to put us in to big financial difficulty.

I wonder is it that the uncertainty of future income rather than current financial woes is the sticking point.
There is a good chance that much of next season if not all will be played behind closes doors and that is in a good case scenario with Covid.
If a second wave were to happen the whole league and other competitions could well be put on hold or cancelled with the subsequent substantial loss in income.

 

[Jerry Laser]

Bit fucking knee jerk to say they owe us more?

We dont even know who we will bring in this summer yet.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Bit fucking knee jerk to say they owe us more?

We dont even know who we will bring in this summer yet.

Not really.
We won #6 and brought in two youth players.
We've been a) incredible form wise and b) incredible fortunate injury wise.
We're about to win #19 and it seems, based on most pundits, we will likely hold pat (there is no smoke without fire)
If that's the case, no one cannot be unhappy with the trophy additions - incredible... but fans can be unhappy us seemingly wasting a brilliant opportunity to strengthen, improve our team further and knock those cunts off their perch.

 

[StevieM]

I wonder is it that the uncertainty of future income rather than current financial woes is the sticking point.
There is a good chance that much of next season if not all will be played behind closes doors and that is in a good case scenario with Covid.
If a second wave were to happen the whole league and other competitions could well be put on hold or cancelled with the subsequent substantial loss in income.

I’d agree with this - I think there is money (and it may come from selling a few fringe players), but I don’t see us committing to major expenditure for now.

 

[MomoWASright]

You wouldn’t get an extension built on to your house whilst being furloughed and unsure when you’re going to go back up to full pay, or even if your income would be there in 6 months time. You’d wait and see what happens.

 

[binomial]

FSG saved this club from rock bottom. They've done fantastically well to bring stability back.

New training ground.
New Anfield stand.
Brought in Klopp out of sabbatical.
Worked with the club to release all the deadwood at the club.
Stood firm on their values of players when Barca or whoever came calling.

We aren't run by a multi-billionaire company like your Cities or Chelsea's or United's.

We have gone multiple windows without spending a penny (I think 4 or 5 in total since Klopp's been in) so I do expect there to be 2 big signings this summer.

 

[Mystic]

Naby

Fuck me, imagine if he came back from the lockdown as the player i'll start pretending he is once the football starts again.

 

[gkmacca]

What if transfer market prices nose dive once clubs start to look for cash flow quickly - what point will have been made by us paying a pre-Covid Price?

I agree entirely that, at the time the market starts, we’ll have to show our intentions clearly - but this isn’t the time, so why should we do it now?

I think were in agreement. I'm not saying we should pay a pre-Covid price. But by the time the window opens, it'll be a post-Covid price. What concerns me is, instead of suggesting we're just waiting to assess our options in that context, all the LFC spin doctors are out in force implying we've already pulled back.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Not really.
We won #6 and brought in two youth players.
We've been a) incredible form wise and b) incredible fortunate injury wise.
We're about to win #19 and it seems, based on most pundits, we will likely hold pat (there is no smoke without fire)
If that's the case, no one cannot be unhappy with the trophy additions - incredible... but fans can be unhappy us seemingly wasting a brilliant opportunity to strengthen, improve our team further and knock those cunts off their perch.

Seriously dude, if you're actually an unhappy fan in any way, shape or form at the moment, then you really need to answer that earlier question for yourself.
What is it that you really want?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Seriously dude, if you're actually an unhappy fan in any way, shape or form at the moment, then you really need to answer that earlier question for yourself.
What is it that you really want?

If you offered me a job where I could progress further professionally in the same industry, should I ignore my ambitions because I'm really happy in my current place, earn well and have reasonable job security?

I am really happy as a LIverpool fan ... but for 30 years, we've all been waiting for one thing ... and now I feel we're on the cusp of ending one drought and potentially being the most dominant team in England. We've got the infrastructure, we've got the team and we've got the manager. If we don't push on, will we be happy to know we missed a chance to dominate? That's my perspective at least bru ...

 

[StevieM]

I think were in agreement. I'm not saying we should pay a pre-Covid price. But by the time the window opens, it'll be a post-Covid price. What concerns me is, instead of suggesting we're just waiting to assess our options in that context, all the LFC spin doctors are out in force implying we've already pulled back.

Bonus of living in Australia - not subjected To the usual spin doctors as regularly as I’d imagine you are - so I’ve no idea what they’re saying, but I’ll take your word for it.

It does seem weird they wouldn’t just “straight bat” everything with a “wait and see”.

 

[gkmacca]

It does seem weird they wouldn’t just “straight bat” everything with a “wait and see”.

Exactly. Fans will understand about a wait and see policy. Many won't about what sounds like a policy that's already been decided. Aside from multiple articles that read as though the FSG equivalent of Lord HawHaw has taken over the newsdesk, the Echo hacks perversely spend all of their recent podcasts, which are aimed at fans, pitying the stupidity of fans who aren't completely cool about the prospect of not buying anyone this summer. It's quite bizarre.

 

[Hyena]

Agree with the wait and see thing.

Arsenal is in the shit now, and Tottenham just took out a 175 m loan.

Chelsea has cash to burn, but only because they pulled out of a stadium redevelopment and haven't spent shit.

Everton, Southampton, Leicester, Palace, Bournemouth all had wage to revenue ratios of more than 75%. If revenue is halved - good luck to them.

One club that probably may do fine is Wolves, since Fosun is on the way to developing a Covid vaccine.

Point is, money matters, and we don't know what 2021 will bring.

 

[Mamma Mia]

If you offered me a job where I could progress further professionally in the same industry, should I ignore my ambitions because I'm really happy in my current place, earn well and have reasonable job security?

I am really happy as a LIverpool fan ... but for 30 years, we've all been waiting for one thing ... and now I feel we're on the cusp of ending one drought and potentially being the most dominant team in England. We've got the infrastructure, we've got the team and we've got the manager. If we don't push on, will we be happy to know we missed a chance to dominate? That's my perspective at least bru ...

"If" we don't push on, I'd understand your frustration

 

[LeTallecWiz]

"If" we don't push on, I'd understand your frustration

So hence my concern ... we've pushed on this year with no investments ... but I will desist from the subject until the summer ends, and then we can review accordingly! ;-)

 

[gkmacca]

I'll also be intrigued to see how they've revamped the Kirkby site for the first team. Seeing as Klopp hates windy conditions, he's surely in for a hell of a shock unless they've really put some structural thought into the new buildings there. As far as the Academy was concerned, aside from the gales that seemed to blow there even when the city was pretty calm, it was like the place had found some weird pocket of arctic weather there.

 

[Donavan Ried]

This makes no sense. Loans are for lower clubs looking to get players on the cheap or in emergencies for bigger clubs. There is probably not one loan player available who would be available that would improve our squad (unless they're at a club that wants them off the wage bill but that should tell you what you need to know anyway)

You say it as if you consider loaning a player or two is below us...?

Chelsea, Utd, Bayern among others have all done it... I have no problems with it as long as the player is worth it.

There have been some very good players which of on reason or another that could not hold down there place in some top teams and has gone on elsewhere to be top class. Two that spring to mind are Rafael van der Vaart who when from Real to Spurs and was top draw for them, and Arjen Robben who was massive for Bayern.
And yes, Iknow niether of them was on loan, but they both feathered less for Real than Bayern and Tottenham

You have teams out there like Real, Bayern, Barca who are swollen with talented players that can't get regular games if at all. I believe we should look to take advange and take them on loan. I would also (If they are good enough) go a long way to convincing them to sign for us should we want them

 

[StevieM]

Why should we loan players that can’t get into teams we’re better than?

Although I do like a good featherer.

 

[tombrown]

Why should we loan players that can’t get into teams we’re better than?

Although I do like a good featherer.

We loaned (and later bought) Mascher from West Ham when he couldn't get into their team ... not many people think that was a mistake

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

You say it as if you consider loaning a player or two is below us...?

Chelsea, Utd, Bayern among others have all done it... I have no problems with it as long as the player is worth it.

There have been some very good players which of on reason or another that could not hold down there place in some top teams and has gone on elsewhere to be top class. Two that spring to mind are Rafael van der Vaart who when from Real to Spurs and was top draw for them, and Arjen Robben who was massive for Bayern.
And yes, Iknow niether of them was on loan, but they both feathered less for Real than Bayern and Tottenham

You have teams out there like Real, Bayern, Barca who are swollen with talented players that can't get regular games if at all. I believe we should look to take advange and take them on loan. I would also (If they are good enough) go a long way to convincing them to sign for us should we want them

So your logic is based on two players who didn't go out on loan? I understand players can improve at different clubs. Our Mo Salah is not Chelsea's Mo Salah.

We have done it and I don't think it's beneath us but I honestly can't see who would be out there available to loan who would improve us. If we're loaning from top teams they'll want guaranteed playing time which we can't offer either

 

[Donavan Ried]

So your logic is based on two players who didn't go out on loan? I understand players can improve at different clubs. Our Mo Salah is not Chelsea's Mo Salah.

We have done it and I don't think it's beneath us but I honestly can't see who would be out there available to loan who would improve us. If we're loaning from top teams they'll want guaranteed playing time which we can't offer either

There are players at top clubs that cannot get guaranteed game time but they believe that at another club they would based on their quality, not on agreements. When we buy any player there are no guarantees of game time or if they will even play

Sometime its the system, look at Antoine Griezmann Barca struggling to adapt,

That fact that they do not play regular at that club does not mean that they are poor players, hence why I use Van Der Vaart and Robben as examples.
It could be the system or role that the manager wants them to play.

A couple more examples to go with Mo at Chelsea... Sane for City( for me a way better player than Sterling) for some reason pep does not fancy him, KDB for Chelsea,not rated by Jose, Ousmane Dembélé for Barca, and of course Philippe Coutinho, great for us, not so great for Bayern and Barca. Barca would loan him back in a heart beat, and if not for the stick that he would get from the Fans I believe that he would glady come, but he knows that he has burnt that bridge

As I said there are so great players out there , some simple do not fit their current clubs systems or the manager game plan and have not broken into the team are getting little to no football,and would jump at the chance to revive their career and at least on loan we get to test drive the player in our system first

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

I don't think we could get any of the above on loan. Who could we possibly get on loan who would improve our team/squad?

 

[Donavan Ried]

Oriol Busquets DFM Barca, currently on loan,Rafinha AMF another from Barca on loan
Daniel Ceballos CM on loan to Arsenal from Real

That's just three but I doutb you will agree

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

Dani Cabellos at Arsenal, where does he get in a look in with Milner, Henderson, Gini, Fabinho, Ox, Keita? Same with Oriol Busquets (who was never even played for Barca).

 

[Woland]

Busquets is 42

 

[King Binny]

 

[Grjt2]

In my view, the wages you pay are a better (not perfect) indicator of the talent you have than transfer fees. By all accounts Liverpool has a fairly hefty bill, north of £300 million. That wage bill would seem to mirror our position in the league, no?

Totally separate point, but yeah that’s a plausible argument. Where the tipping point comes is with an aging squad who are on the wane and transfer value is diminishing but who are on peak wages. One of the reasons I would guess why some clubs refuse to give Extensions of more than one year to players in their 30s