Frank Rijkaard almost certain to be the next Liverpool manager-unrelaible source

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=43010.msg1226728#msg1226728 date=1291137979]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43010.msg1226727#msg1226727 date=1291137850]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=43010.msg1226723#msg1226723 date=1291137223]
So he's been managing clubs for nearly 10 years, and has had two succesful years in all that time. I'd say it is a little shabby.
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so the criteria for the new manager is shit loads of success?
[/quote]

Well, I don't think we should be looking at trying to get in an unsuccesful manager.
[/quote]

two la liga and a european cup is hardly unsuccesful it just isn't the phenomenal success rate of josé.
wenger is a quality manager and hasn't won anything in five years.

 

[Squiggles]

Yeah, but he has won loads.

 

[King Binny]

Not trying to discredit him but as in Seville's case, DOF had a pretty big part to play in Barca's recovery. In this case, it was Txiki Begiristain who beat Man Utd to the signing of Ronaldinho and added Samuel Eto’o to the squad after they finished 2nd, behind Valencia.

 

[the_khl]

Our next manager should be one for now, given time to build for the future as well.

So the question remains, would Rijkaard be one for the long haul?

Personally, I doubt it.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43010.msg1226733#msg1226733 date=1291138576]
Yeah, but he has won loads.
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over five years ago.
I'm not knocking whinger btw, I'm just saying that 'trophies won' shouldn't be the only criteria, if that's the case then that rules out several young up and coming managers who are obviously very talented (like emery for example).

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43010.msg1226739#msg1226739 date=1291138836]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43010.msg1226733#msg1226733 date=1291138576]
Yeah, but he has won loads.
[/quote]

over five years ago.
I'm not knocking whinger btw, I'm just saying that 'trophies won' shouldn't be the only criteria, if that's the case then that rules out several young up and coming managers who are obviously very talented (like emery for example).
[/quote]

True enough, but it also rules out dross like Hodgson.

 

[Shadey]

All this would fall in place for a new manager with Jan window only weeks away?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The 'Well he's better than Roy' argument doesn't do it for me I'm afraid. Our next managerial appointment is going to be a big decision, hopefully a young, hungry ambitious manager who shares the new owner's vision and, based on our current situation, one who can build a squad without lavish amounts of money. Rijkaard's managerial career has been pretty meh apart from his time at Barcelona, a club with plenty of cash to spend. I know it's not always about money but he just hasn't done it anywhere else. Plus he gobs on people, the dirty bastard. He wouldn't be my first choice.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43010.msg1226751#msg1226751 date=1291141213] Plus he gobs on people
[/quote]

Quite.

 

[Hansern]

The next managerial appointment needs to be someone who can stay here for a long time, who shares the values and goals NESV have set.

It should be someone youngish, proven and already a winner. Someone who understands modern football and can put together a side that can compete in the league.

I have serious reservations about Rijkaard. Excellent at Barca but is a bit hit and miss.

I want Villas Boas. Young, but will win the league with Porto this year and is going to be a great manager. A winner!
Plays 4-3-3 with the front 3 always changing positions. Have learned a lot from Mourinho and fits Oncys sexy v -neck sweater criteria...

It will be a gamble, but could be genious!

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43010.msg1226754#msg1226754 date=1291142096]
The next managerial appointment needs to be someone who can stay here for a long time, who shares the values and goals NESV have set.

It should be someone youngish, proven and already a winner. Someone who understands modern football and can put together a side that can compete in the league.

I have serious reservations about Rijkaard. Excellent at Barca but is a bit hit and miss.

I want Villas Boas. Young, but will win the league with Porto this year and is going to be a great manager. A winner!
Plays 4-3-3 with the front 3 always changing positions. Have learned a lot from Mourinho and fits Oncys sexy v -neck sweater criteria...

It will be a gamble, but could be genious!
[/quote]Glad the criterea is being kept in mind.

 

[Akakabooto]

Rijkaard would be a massive gamble imo. He's had two succesful seasons in his managerial career and those with a superior squad. Even a Spongebob Squarepants would have won titles with that team.

His lack of tactical flexibility was there for everyone to see as when other teams learned how to cope with Barca's 4-3-3 Rijkaard had no ability to adjust his team's tactics. I've always felt people are exaggerating his role in Barca's success back then(as they are exaggerating Pep's role at the moment).

I'd rather we wait and stick with Roy untill we can find someone who is perfeclty suited for the task ahead.

 

[Dreambeliever]

I'd rather MON til the end of the season.

 

[peekay]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43010.msg1226754#msg1226754 date=1291142096]
The next managerial appointment needs to be someone who can stay here for a long time, who shares the values and goals NESV have set.

It should be someone youngish, proven and already a winner. Someone who understands modern football and can put together a side that can compete in the league.

I have serious reservations about Rijkaard. Excellent at Barca but is a bit hit and miss.

I want Villas Boas. Young, but will win the league with Porto this year and is going to be a great manager. A winner!
Plays 4-3-3 with the front 3 always changing positions. Have learned a lot from Mourinho and fits Oncys sexy v -neck sweater criteria...

It will be a gamble, but could be genious!
[/quote]

Good post. Rijkaard will be better than Hodg but not some one who will be here in the long term.

He had a great record with Barca but they had the perfect football setup.

 

[kingjulian]

Lots of people in this thread don't have a fucking clue what they want...so forgive me if i give a wide berth to who they think would be the ideal candidate to manage our club.

eg...

It should be someone youngish, proven and already a winner. Someone who understands modern football and can put together a side that can compete in the league.

I have serious reservations about Rijkaard. Excellent at Barca but is a bit hit and miss.

I want Villas Boas. Young, but will win the league with Porto this year and is going to be a great manager. A winner!

On the one hand you want to discredit the success Rijkaard had at Barca and Holland, but at the same time you want a manager who is going to just win the league for the first time ever.

Do you want someone Young or Proven?

Because a young manager can't really be that accomplished.

If you want a bit of both, Rijkaard is as good as the other options out there.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Rijkaard's ability to manage us (provided he is appointed in the first place). He proved that at a club with a clear plan to get back to the top again, he can be a real asset. I'm seeing a lot of similarities with the situation Liverpool are in at the moment to Rijkaaard's time at Barca.

His time in Turkey is a bit worrying, but i would like to see if there are any mitigating factors that lead to the poor performance. Of the top of my head, Gala didn't go backwards under him as is being insinuated. They just didn't have the massive improvement that everyone expected them to have after a big name managerial appointment. I would hardly classify that as a failure.

 

[Wizardry]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43010.msg1226754#msg1226754 date=1291142096]
The next managerial appointment needs to be someone who can stay here for a long time, who shares the values and goals NESV have set.

It should be someone youngish, proven and already a winner. Someone who understands modern football and can put together a side that can compete in the league.

I have serious reservations about Rijkaard. Excellent at Barca but is a bit hit and miss.

I want Villas Boas. Young, but will win the league with Porto this year and is going to be a great manager. A winner!
Plays 4-3-3 with the front 3 always changing positions. Have learned a lot from Mourinho and fits Oncys sexy v -neck sweater criteria...

It will be a gamble, but could be genious!
[/quote]

Agree about Boas - I think he's very good now and going to be something special. Not sure if he understands the english league particularly well but am confident he'd learn quickly.

I like Deschamps as well but, if I had my choice, Boas would be the pick; something about him just tells you he's going to be a winner.

Rijkaard was great at Barca and I loved the way he sets his teams up to play but I find it difficult to believe that this would translate into success at Anfield. He's not really a technician - more a very good team builder; generally good enough to win but if it's not working he's unlikely to turn it around.

 

[Akakabooto]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=43010.msg1226916#msg1226916 date=1291171558]
I'd rather MON til the end of the season.


[/quote]

So you want us to pay off Roy and hire MON for 6 months? Wonderful idea, let's change an average manager to another and thus pay double salary.

[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=43010.msg1226920#msg1226920 date=1291173843]
Lots of people in this thread don't have a fucking clue what they want...so forgive me if i give a wide berth to who they think would be the ideal candidate to manage our club.

eg...

It should be someone youngish, proven and already a winner. Someone who understands modern football and can put together a side that can compete in the league.

I have serious reservations about Rijkaard. Excellent at Barca but is a bit hit and miss.

I want Villas Boas. Young, but will win the league with Porto this year and is going to be a great manager. A winner!

On the one hand you want to discredit the success Rijkaard had at Barca and Holland, but at the same time you want a manager who is going to just win the league for the first time ever.

Do you want someone Young or Proven?

Because a young manager can't really be that accomplished.

If you want a bit of both, Rijkaard is as good as the other options out there.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Rijkaard's ability to manage us (provided he is appointed in the first place). He proved that at a club with a clear plan to get back to the top again, he can be a real asset. I'm seeing a lot of similarities with the situation Liverpool are in at the moment to Rijkaaard's time at Barca.

His time in Turkey is a bit worrying, but i would like to see if there are any mitigating factors that lead to the poor performance. Of the top of my head, Gala didn't go backwards under him as is being insinuated. They just didn't have the massive improvement that everyone expected them to have after a big name managerial appointment. I would hardly classify that as a failure.
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I don't think the situations are similar at all. Barca already had a core of young players coming through in Xavi, Iniesta et al. They also had the financial power to attract players like Ronaldinho, Deco and Eto'o. Their plan was to turn things quickly whereas we'll have a much longer road ahead.

I wouldn't be overly disappointed if we did appoint Rijkaard but I'd prefer a true tactical manager instead. Joachim Löw would be my #1 choice.

 

[Holle]

So we don't want Rijkaard because he wasn't successful enough because he only had two good years out of ten.

But then again he want Villa Boas because he's maybe going to win the Portuguese league with Porto and has won fuck all before.

I see.

 

[Akakabooto]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43010.msg1226952#msg1226952 date=1291192118]
So we don't want Rijkaard because he wasn't successful enough because he only had two good years out of ten.

But then again he want Villa Boas because he's maybe going to win the Portuguese league with Porto and has won fuck all before.

I see.
[/quote]

If you read the posts properly there are other reasons mentioned why a lot of us don't think he would be the best choice for us.

 

[Holle]

[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43010.msg1226955#msg1226955 date=1291192348]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43010.msg1226952#msg1226952 date=1291192118]
So we don't want Rijkaard because he wasn't successful enough because he only had two good years out of ten.

But then again he want Villa Boas because he's maybe going to win the Portuguese league with Porto and has won fuck all before.

I see.
[/quote]

If you read the posts properly there are other reasons mentioned why a lot of us don't think he would be the best choice for us.
[/quote]

I've read the posts properly.

A young manager gets hyped while an experienced and quite successful manager is belittled for partly ridiculous reasons.

 

[Akakabooto]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43010.msg1226958#msg1226958 date=1291192517]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=43010.msg1226955#msg1226955 date=1291192348]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43010.msg1226952#msg1226952 date=1291192118]
So we don't want Rijkaard because he wasn't successful enough because he only had two good years out of ten.

But then again he want Villa Boas because he's maybe going to win the Portuguese league with Porto and has won fuck all before.

I see.
[/quote]

If you read the posts properly there are other reasons mentioned why a lot of us don't think he would be the best choice for us.
[/quote]

I've read the posts properly.

A young manager gets hyped while an experienced and quite successful manager is belittled for partly ridiculous reasons.
[/quote]

Yeah I do see your point. Which of the reasons why people have reservations about Rijkaard are ridiculous though? I think most have been very sensible.

 

[the_khl]

Our shortlist is hopefully narrowed down to the following three young, talented managers:

Boas
Deschamps
Laudrup

 

[HC]

I'm not totally clued in on the barca resurgence under frank internally.

Who was the president,coach,youth coach etc.

Obv frank didn't get the final word on the signings and I'm not quite convinced anything can totally be attributed to frank during his barca time.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=43010.msg1227026#msg1227026 date=1291199037]
Our shortlist is hopefully narrowed down to the following three young, talented managers:

Boas
Deschamps
Laudrup
[/quote]

What about Owen Coyle? Or Di Matteo?

At least they've got some kind of (however short) successful track record in the premiership, having hit the ground running and over-achieving with smaller clubs.

I guess they are less glamourous names?

 

[Holle]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=43010.msg1227026#msg1227026 date=1291199037]
Our shortlist is hopefully narrowed down to the following three young, talented managers:

Boas
Deschamps
Laudrup
[/quote]

Not one of these has done anything to prove they're better than Rijkaard let alone to be good enough to manage us.

 

[TheBunnyman]

Yeah, but Laudrup's Danish. That's got to count for something.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43010.msg1227052#msg1227052 date=1291200045]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=43010.msg1227026#msg1227026 date=1291199037]
Our shortlist is hopefully narrowed down to the following three young, talented managers:

Boas
Deschamps
Laudrup
[/quote]

Not one of these has done anything to prove they're better than Rijkaard let alone to be good enough to manage us.
[/quote]

This isn't true.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43010.msg1227052#msg1227052 date=1291200045]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=43010.msg1227026#msg1227026 date=1291199037]
Our shortlist is hopefully narrowed down to the following three young, talented managers:

Boas
Deschamps
Laudrup
[/quote]

Not one of these has done anything to prove they're better than Rijkaard let alone to be good enough to manage us.
[/quote]I think Deschamps has won stuff? Titles and that?

 

[spider-Neil]

it's double standards. in one breathe people say they want a manager who has won shit and then in the next list managers who have won fuck all.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

There's a difference between a manager that have "won fuck all", but only been around a few years, and look promising. And a manager that's been around a decade and has only had two successful seasons.

If you haven't won much, it's not as bad if you haven't been given the opportunity. If you have been given the oopportunity and failed it's a different matter.