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Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

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[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
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i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
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Cheeky 2-1 victory..

Teams

Liverpool: Carson, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Traore, Luis Garcia, Gerrard, Biscan, Riise, Le Tallec, Baros.
Subs: Dudek, Smicer, Alonso, Nunez, Warnock, Welsh, Potter.

Juventus: Buffon, Zebina, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zambrotta, Blasi, Emerson, Camoranesi, Nedved, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic.
Subs: Chimenti, Montero, Pessotto, Trezeguet, Appiah, Olivera, Zalayeta.

I seem to recall Garcia scoring a wonder goal?

Look at how wank our team was in relation to theirs.. Carson, Traore, Biscan, Le Tallec and Baros vs Buffon, Cannavaro, Thurun, Zambrotta, Nedved, Del Piero and Ibra!
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=42663.msg1214631#msg1214631 date=1289314291]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
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i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
[/quote]

Cheeky 2-1 victory..

Teams

Liverpool: Carson, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Traore, Luis Garcia, Gerrard, Biscan, Riise, Le Tallec, Baros.
Subs: Dudek, Smicer, Alonso, Nunez, Warnock, Welsh, Potter.

Juventus: Buffon, Zebina, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zambrotta, Blasi, Emerson, Camoranesi, Nedved, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic.
Subs: Chimenti, Montero, Pessotto, Trezeguet, Appiah, Olivera, Zalayeta.

I seem to recall Garcia scoring a wonder goal?

Look at how wank our team was in relation to theirs.. Carson, Traore, Biscan, Le Tallec and Baros vs Buffon, Cannavaro, Thurun, Zambrotta, Nedved, Del Piero and Ibra!
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Yes, but we had the superior fitness coach.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
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i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
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One of the main reasons is that LeTallec only played once.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
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i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
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He didn't just start. He provided the assist for Garcia's wonder strike.

This was also the game where Carson made that stunning one-on-one save against Del Piero. Turned out to be quite average eventually though, that Carson.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42663.msg1214633#msg1214633 date=1289314386]
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=42663.msg1214631#msg1214631 date=1289314291]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
[/quote]


i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
[/quote]

Cheeky 2-1 victory..

Teams

Liverpool: Carson, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Traore, Luis Garcia, Gerrard, Biscan, Riise, Le Tallec, Baros.
Subs: Dudek, Smicer, Alonso, Nunez, Warnock, Welsh, Potter.

Juventus: Buffon, Zebina, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zambrotta, Blasi, Emerson, Camoranesi, Nedved, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic.
Subs: Chimenti, Montero, Pessotto, Trezeguet, Appiah, Olivera, Zalayeta.

I seem to recall Garcia scoring a wonder goal?

Look at how wank our team was in relation to theirs.. Carson, Traore, Biscan, Le Tallec and Baros vs Buffon, Cannavaro, Thurun, Zambrotta, Nedved, Del Piero and Ibra!
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Yes, but we had the superior fitness coach.
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The best in the world - past, present and future...!
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=42663.msg1214631#msg1214631 date=1289314291]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
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i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
[/quote]

Cheeky 2-1 victory..

Teams

Liverpool: Carson, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Traore, Luis Garcia, Gerrard, Biscan, Riise, Le Tallec, Baros.
Subs: Dudek, Smicer, Alonso, Nunez, Warnock, Welsh, Potter.

Juventus: Buffon, Zebina, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zambrotta, Blasi, Emerson, Camoranesi, Nedved, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic.
Subs: Chimenti, Montero, Pessotto, Trezeguet, Appiah, Olivera, Zalayeta.

I seem to recall Garcia scoring a wonder goal?

Look at how wank our team was in relation to theirs.. Carson, Traore, Biscan, Le Tallec and Baros vs Buffon, Cannavaro, Thurun, Zambrotta, Nedved, Del Piero and Ibra!
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you 'seem to recall'?!! that goal's emblazoned on my memory, and yes, that includes le tallec's little lofted assist.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42663.msg1214650#msg1214650 date=1289316338]
My favourite ever goal of his.

I was so sure we'd lose to them.
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I was surprised we managed to beat Bayern Leverkusen in the first knockout stage..
 
Nah, I thought we'd do 'em.

But not Juve.

I actually even thought we'd beat Chelsea at Anfield if we kept a clean sheet at theirs.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=42663.msg1214653#msg1214653 date=1289316610]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42663.msg1214650#msg1214650 date=1289316338]
My favourite ever goal of his.

I was so sure we'd lose to them.
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I was surprised we managed to beat Bayern Leverkusen in the first knockout stage..
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didn't we have a seriously, seriously, shit team out in the first leg? i know gerrard was definitely injured, but i think alonso might have been as well.

ok, apparently this was the lineup:

dudek
finnan
carra
hyypia
traore
hamann
biscan
riise
garcia
kewell
baros
 
Can't remember the excat line-up, but Biscan was massive in many matches on the road during the run-up.

A fact he proved in photographs ;D
 
My all time favourite Garcia goal is the goal against the Chavs for the pure controversy that it generated and the effect it had on the Chavs.

It was unforgettable and still haunts Mourinho to this day!
 
I thought Igor was great in the CL run, he stepped up bigtime when Stevie was unavailable, especially against Leverkusen (in both games) and against Depor away.
 
Biscan was one of the players who definitely played his part that year but i was still delighted when he left. Same with Traore.
 
I remember him scoring a goal Gerrard style from Midfield and looking a little stunned and then overjoyed 🙂
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214675#msg1214675 date=1289318612]
you mean his tiny cock?
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Looks big to me, but I'm Asian remember ;D
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42663.msg1214699#msg1214699 date=1289322439]
I remember him scoring a goal Gerrard style from Midfield and looking a little stunned and then overjoyed 🙂
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That was the Fulham game, the one in which Xabi came on at half-time and turned things around.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42663.msg1214636#msg1214636 date=1289314592]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
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i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
[/quote]

He didn't just start. He provided the assist for Garcia's wonder strike.

This was also the game where Carson made that stunning one-on-one save against Del Piero. Turned out to be quite average eventually though, that Carson.
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I thought it was one of the most ordinary passes to Garcia.
That was all Garcia.
 
Garcia is a hero and was never helped by anyone. It was all garcia all of the time
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214701#msg1214701 date=1289322531]
Was that against Fulham?

He tended to look surprised quite often. That or just vacant.
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Like he just woke up ten minutes before walking on the pitch.

Though this will turn out to be a Garcia thread, have a look ar around 1.40 Biscan was amazing in that game and taking on two players then the weight of the pass perfectly to Garcia was amazing. Pity he was pants most of the time.

Luis Garcia (years in Liverpool)
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214639#msg1214639 date=1289314923]
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=42663.msg1214631#msg1214631 date=1289314291]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42663.msg1214625#msg1214625 date=1289313723]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214185#msg1214185 date=1289244702]
Well he signed 40 players in total. Its debatable which you'd count as young. Generally I'd consider it to mean players that aren't necessarily bought to play immediately.

There was Frode Kippe for 700k, Traore and Vignal, for about 500k each.
Le Tallec and Pongolle for about 3m between them.
Daniel Sjoilund for 1m and then a few others, Alou Diarra, Carl Medjani and Patrice Luzi, who were all free.

You might include Biscan (5.5m), Baros (3.2m) and Kirkland (6m) too.

Overall, not great really.

Oh, and i quite liked Pongolle. Better than Le Tallec, who was a useless cunt.
[/quote]


i'm amazed every time i remember that le tallec actually started against juventus in 2005. how the fuck we drove our way through to istanbul, i'll never know.
[/quote]

Cheeky 2-1 victory..

Teams

Liverpool: Carson, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Traore, Luis Garcia, Gerrard, Biscan, Riise, Le Tallec, Baros.
Subs: Dudek, Smicer, Alonso, Nunez, Warnock, Welsh, Potter.

Juventus: Buffon, Zebina, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zambrotta, Blasi, Emerson, Camoranesi, Nedved, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic.
Subs: Chimenti, Montero, Pessotto, Trezeguet, Appiah, Olivera, Zalayeta.

I seem to recall Garcia scoring a wonder goal?

Look at how wank our team was in relation to theirs.. Carson, Traore, Biscan, Le Tallec and Baros vs Buffon, Cannavaro, Thurun, Zambrotta, Nedved, Del Piero and Ibra!
[/quote]


you 'seem to recall'?!! that goal's emblazoned on my memory, and yes, that includes le tallec's little lofted assist.
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Exactly, Peter.
 
[quote author=Asim link=topic=42663.msg1214811#msg1214811 date=1289341436]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42663.msg1214701#msg1214701 date=1289322531]
Was that against Fulham?

He tended to look surprised quite often. That or just vacant.
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Like he just woke up ten minutes before walking on the pitch.

Though this will turn out to be a Garcia thread, have a look ar around 1.40 Biscan was amazing in that game and taking on two players then the weight of the pass perfectly to Garcia was amazing. Pity he was pants most of the time.

Luis Garcia (years in Liverpool)
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A lot of happy memories there. thanks.
 
Re: Florent Sinama-Pongolle

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42663.msg1214239#msg1214239 date=1289250978]
This can't be true cos Rafa sold him at the wrong time, Rafa never gave him a chance, he's better than Cisse, he's gonna be a star, Rafa didn't trust youngsters like him, here's a new thread about him everytime he scores a goal for Atletico and all sorts of other stuff.

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I agree with the spirit in which this was posted (Although he may be better than Cisse as he is/was shit).
 
There is no doubt that the late 1990s and early 2000s was a golden era for French football. Following Les Bleus’ FIFA World Cup™ victory on home soil in 1998 and their memorable march to glory at UEFA EURO 2000, French suppporters feted their favourites like never before.

The future also looked bright when, a year later, Les Bleuets defeated Nigeria 3-0 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain to capture the FIFA U-17 World Cup Trinidad and Tobago 2001 title. Back then, the team was led by a pair of talented cousins bursting with confidence, namely Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Anthony Le Tallec.

That self-belief, which helped them eclipse young starlets like Spain’s Fernando Torres and Argentina’s Carlos Tevez in the Caribbean, has taken a few knocks in the intervening years, with their careers never quite reaching the heights expected of them. But aged just 26, time remains on the side of the resilient Gallic duo, as they explained in an exclusive interview with FIFA.com.

“Players like Torres and Tevez have always been capable of winning a match single-handedly," said Sinama-Pongolle. "In our case, in 2001, it was more a question of effective teamwork rather than individual brilliance."

Le Tallec pointed out: “And those top performers at big-name clubs tend to be highly regarded by coaches, who will hand them the captain’s armband in the blink of an eye. It’s a shame that we’ve not always benefitted from that type of morale boost, as it would definitely have brought out the best in us.â€

Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec, the respective adidas Golden Ball and adidas Silver Ball winners in Trinidad and Tobago, were certainly at their best on 30 September 2001, the day they claimed the world title. While the former took the competition by storm with his cool finishing - he scored a total of nine goals, which remains a tournament record to this day - and tireless running, the latter stood out for his vision and countless assists.

But one of the greatest factors in their success was the partnership they forged together. “I’ve never been able to develop the same understanding on the football pitch with anyone else since,†confirmed Le Tallec. And it was this very synergy that would raise their profile enormously back home, a situation summed up succinctly by Sinama-Pongolle: “In the space of a few weeks, we went from being nobodies to household names.â€

Europe’s top clubs were now very much aware of the talented twosome. After having grown up and come through the ranks together in Le Havre’s youth academy, the attack-minded cousins, born just 17 days apart in October 1984, were signed as a pair for Liverpool in 2003.

“We were brought in by a Frenchman, Gerard Houllier, to play in a Liverpool side that at the time could count on Emile Heskey, Harry Kewell, Michael Owen and others up front. When you’re just 19, with very little experience, it’s tough when you’re up against that kind of quality,†said Sinama-Pongolle.

With playing time at Anfield at a premium, the inseparable Frenchmen found it difficult to live up to the massive expectations placed on their young shoulders. “But we made good progress, and the club did win the Champions League while we were there,†recalled Le Tallec.

In their quest for regular football, however, they were forced to move on to pastures new, taking distinct paths for the very first time. They were both sent out on loan – Sinama-Pongolle to Blackburn Rovers; his compatriot to Saint-Etienne and Sunderland.

Soon they would be packing their bags again, in an attempt to resurrect their respective careers. Sinama-Pongolle headed for Spain, where he signed for Recreativo Huelva; Le Tallec ended up back in France at Le Mans, by way of Sochaux.

They both blossomed in their new surroundings, playing often, scoring and regaining the confidence that had been slowly ebbing away. Between 2006 and 2008, Sinama-Pongolle registered 22 goals, while Le Tallec notched up nine in a deep-lying forward role.

While the Le Mans forward opted to remain under the tutelage of Paulo Duarte, the coach he still credits with getting his career back on track, his good friend took a step back up the football ladder, signing for Atletico Madrid.

“I scored four goals during the month that Diego Forlan and Sergio Aguero were injured, which led to the wonderful opportunity to play for France. But then they both got their fitness back, and Forlan went on to score 32 times. How could I compete with that?†said the Reunion Island-born striker.

Finding first-team opportunities limited once again, Sinama-Pongolle tried his luck in Portugal with Sporting, but his stint in Lusitanian football was short-lived, as family problems hindered his efforts to settle.


Around the same time, Le Tallec was unable to save Les Ciel et Marine from relegation to Ligue 2, but his excellent performances not only prompted Auxerre to make a move for him in the summer of 2010, but also caught the eye of France coach Laurent Blanc.

“The coach included me in a preliminary squad for the Norway game at the beginning of the season, and although I didn’t make the final cut, it shows that I was in his thoughts," said Le Tallec. "It’s now down to me to put in displays with my club that persuade him to call me up.â€

Now enjoying a productive loan spell at Zaragoza, with four goals and considerable playing time to his name, Sinama-Pongolle also seems to have found his way again. “I’ve regained my love for the game, there’s a good atmosphere in the squad and I’m working under Javier Aguirre, a coach that I really respect,†he said.

As for his own international prospects, he remains hopeful: “The 2014 World Cup in Brazil is something that I dream about. It might be the best one yet. All I can do is give myself the best possible chance to be a part of it.â€

Le Tallec, meanwhile, saw his chances of impressing the national coach diminish recently, when an unfortunate injury sidelined him for almost four months. Now back playing, he remains upbeat. “To pull on the France jersey alongside Florent again would be an amazing feeling – we just have to keep believing in ourselves,â he concluded.

As the ups and downs of the duo’s respective careers have shown, a little confidence can go a long way.
 
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