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Poll Firmino - Is he good enough?

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Should Firmino lead our line for the foreseeable future

  • Yes, he's ace.

  • No, we need a more prolific goal scorer to come in

  • On the fence

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I'm unsure why he got a yellow for it, he had a training top underneath it.

I thought it was just nakedness or slogans etc that got a booking, how does taking a top off with a long sleeved red slogan free training top underneath warrant a booking?
 
I thought it was just topless or stupid slogans.

That's a stupid damn rule. Not as stupid as the 'celebrating with your fans isn't allowed so have a yellow card' rule though.
 
His goal in Sunday is the first time i think he showed a suarez type approach to scoring ... actually runnng at/with the defender and forcing that goal with that bit of skill.
 
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His goal in Sunday is the first time i think he showed a suarez type approach to scoring ... actually runnng at/with the defender and forcing that goal with that bit of skill.
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He’ll never be a Suarez (ie genius) but I think that’s still enough for a title winning team.
 
He's scored 10 league goals, which is great in comparison to what he has delivered in previous seasons.

If he gets 15-20, then I will be very very delighted and perhaps we won't need to spend a gigantic sum on a new striker in summer (although we should, given that Ings, Sturridge and Solanke aren't good enough).

I've been impressed and surprised by his finishing this season. Some of his recent displays have been superlative.
 
Well he was judged on his then present form, rather than with hindsight. When he was short on goals and we didn't have Salah it was an issue. This season we have 20+ goals from Salah and more end product from Firmino, so it's not an issue.

I'm not sure what the point is, he's deserved some criticism and some of it's been OTT, there's not really any oneupmanship to be had. When he wasn't and we weren't scoring enough goals it was a problem, now he is and we are. Yesterday's concerns were valid at the time.

Some posters ridiculed the notion that we needed a big goalscorer, it would take away our ability to spread the goals across the team apparently. We didn't need more goals anyway. What a load of crap that turned out to be. People got that one wrong, with the usual laughably pretentious overthought bollocks.
 
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Well he was judged on his then present form, rather than with hindsight. When he was short on goals and we didn't have Salah it was an issue. This season we have 20+ goals from Salah and more end product from Firmino, so it's not an issue.

I'm not sure what the point is, he's deserved some criticism and some of it's been OTT, there's not really any oneupmanship to be had. When he wasn't and we weren't scoring enough goals it was a problem, now he is and we are. Yesterday's concerns were valid at the time.

Some posters ridiculed the notion that we needed a big goalscorer, it would take away our ability to spread the goals across the team apparently. We didn't need more goals anyway. What a load of crap that turned out to be. People got that one wrong, with the usual laughably pretentious overthought bollocks.
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That's just lame from the first to the last word.

His then present form was great. He didn't get enough goals, which people agreed upon, but it was a minority of smurfs that judged him to be shit on his then present form. Most people saw what he offered to the team, and that the team scored plenty based on his contribution.

Now we have added players able to benefit more from his contribution. He beneft from playing With Salah, but it is definately the other way around as well. The alternative to play With Bobby is to play With a different type of striker, and name mentioned at the wishlist at that time was Lukaku, Costa Studge in addition to Kane and Ibra among others. Kane is ok pick in that bunch, rest is just plain bollocks.

Bottom line is that people that said he was the right man at the right Place then (and that was quite a few) was right. That others in the team couldn't benefit from this is not down to Bobby. It has nothing to do With pretentious overtought bollocks, just plain understanding of football.
 
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Well he was judged on his then present form, rather than with hindsight. When he was short on goals and we didn't have Salah it was an issue. This season we have 20+ goals from Salah and more end product from Firmino, so it's not an issue.

I'm not sure what the point is, he's deserved some criticism and some of it's been OTT, there's not really any oneupmanship to be had. When he wasn't and we weren't scoring enough goals it was a problem, now he is and we are. Yesterday's concerns were valid at the time.

Some posters ridiculed the notion that we needed a big goalscorer, it would take away our ability to spread the goals across the team apparently. We didn't need more goals anyway. What a load of crap that turned out to be. People got that one wrong, with the usual laughably pretentious overthought bollocks.
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Right, so here’s a question.
If Firmino played exactly the same way next season, but ended up scoring fewer goals like in previous seasons, would you be calling for his head again? I wouldn’t because he makes us tick, and I love it so much every time I see him sneakily dispossess a defender, but what’s the consensus for others?
 
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Well done on completely missing the point.
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I don't think I did, I just think the point you made is wrong.

A lot of People have made the point that Firminos contribution to the team goes way Beyond the goals he scores. He runs a lot. Drags defenders out of position, is the key success factor to Our high press and he sets up plenty chances for the team With his skills.

The Counter has been quantified in number of goals he scored. Again and again. And that was the basic point of Your post as well. He is rightly critisized (even slaughtered) by people for that.

So when the team start to benefit hugely from bringing in other players that take more advantage of the spaces he create or from that we win the ball back in crucial position from his pressure and tackling, should we then again only measure him at the goals he scores himself?

Funny enough we have brought in Salah, who scores a lot, but who also have been criticized for his finishing at times.
 
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I didn't call for his head JM.

Calling him shit is one thing, I always supported his workrate and how he helped the attack function, when it worked at its best. I questioned those games where we and he missed chances and it cost us points. Which led to the valid question about adding a prolific scorer (not to replace, but to help Firmino and the team).

It's a bit rich that posters who ridiculed that idea (Froggy, Ryan and others) are now taking some personal victory from his upturn in productivity, when at least part of the reason for that, is Klopp identifying a lack of prolificacy, which a few of us had touched upon as the only drawback about our then present attack.

Like I said, some of the criticism of him was way OTT, some of it was valid. Some posters saw our ability to function around his work ethic and having a big goalscorer, as being mutually exclusive. Which was of course, really shortsighted, as proven.
 
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