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Everton (H) Feb 13th 2023

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I don't fancy both Bajectic and Thiago against Evertons midfield, specifically Onana. I'd use one to replace the other at some pont. The aim needs to be compacting the middle of the park, sitting deeper, conceding possession and utilising the pace of Salah and Nunez as the out ball, relying on the legs of Gakpo and Elliott getting up to support. Fundamentally we need to stop leaking goals in the first few minutes and provide a solid platform from which to build on as the game progresses.

--------------------Alisson
Trent----Gomez---Phillips----Robertson
---------Henderson---Thiago
----Elliott-------Salah-----------Gakpo---
-------------------Nunez------------
 
Henderson has become a non-entity in midfield this season, but we're short of robust options there so he probably has to start. Fabinho, too, has also been horrendous this season, but I still feel should start in a game like this as there are no alternatives in terms of physicality. A midfield three of Henderson, Bajcetic and Fabinho surely gives us the best chance of being competitive in the middle of the park. We're not creating anything at present anyway, so may as well try to be solid.

I'd stick with Salah, Nunez and Gakpo up front, but with Gakpo central. He had his best game yet playing centrally against Brighton, so I'd like to see him given more time there. Plus he offers a bit more athleticism than Harvey, which we'll need against Everton's back line. Harvey offers very little in physical tussles, but may be more effective coming on late against tired legs.

At the back I'd go with Matip and Phillips in the middle, with Robbo and Trent either side. I was tempted to say Joemez at right back, but Trent is probably our best creative outlet, particularly with no Thiago, so he keeps his place.

The emphasis should be on keeping things tight and trying to nick a goal. I realise how ridiculous that sounds playing against relegation fodder, but we are the worst team in the league currently, so should make allowances for that in the way we play. So:

--------------------Alisson
Trent----Matip---Phillips----Robertson
--Henderson--Fabinho--Bajcetic
----Salah---------Gakpo---------Nunez---
 
binomial said:
Only chance we have left at glory.

CL is less demanding than these Prem clubs that put it on us and know how to play against us.

Chelsea won the CL the season they finished like 6th, no reason why we can't at least have a good go.
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Ah right getting played off the park by so called not so great premier league teams is down to these teams knowing how we play.. Thank god Madrid technical backroom staff that can analyse us and figure out a way to beat us... Not like we've played them much over the last few years in the champions league...
This isn't something as simple as just playing into form, there is something more serious wrong and you can sit there thinking things are going to be different next game but they never are and we seem to be getting worse by the minute. Is it simple a messed up fitness regime I don't know but surely the WC break should have fixed that but it didn't and we were worse than before..
We are by and far playing the worst football in the league. I don't see us beating Everton, we might get a draw but after watching us and them over the weekend I don't really hold out much hope though. We can't defend, can't create good goal scoring chances and our midfield is crap.
You take out That 9-0 win against Bournemouth and we would be sitting on a negative goal difference with half the season gone. That is a telling fact and yet you think we are a match for Madrid...
 
Delinquent said:
The emphasis should be on keeping things tight and trying to nick a goal. I realise how ridiculous that sounds playing against relegation fodder, but we are the worst team in the league currently, so should make allowances for that in the way we play. So:

--------------------Alisson
Trent----Matip---Phillips----Robertson
--Henderson--Fabinho--Bajcetic
----Salah---------Gakpo---------Nunez---
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Klopp wont change his tactics no matter who he is playing
 
We have been fucking changing tactics all season.

Our center backs are at sea, and poor, our midfield is fucking knackered, and our forwards are a mixture of a declining and completely unestablished.

Incredibly, we have been playing to keep it tight for the last few games. If you are saying we should play a low block, that's a tough one to figure out given we can't defend bread and butter shit, and our forwards will need several chances to score on current form.

In both of Wolves' goals, our entire team is in our defensive third. In both, they are completely set at the beginning of play. They aren't sprinting back into space because of some idiot losing possession - the sort of goal that typified our failure earlier in the season, which now looks glorious.

We can't "keep it tight" if we can't fucking defend. This entire season one of the features of our play is that we will lazily allow crosses, on both sides of the pitch. Players look exhausted, or lazy, or scared, or stupid. Players would rather not make a calamitous error, and so allow someone else down the chain to make that calamitous error, and they do!

We've got Keita who would prefer to game of football that doesn't involve those nasty pointy things on other people's boots coming anywhere near his glass legs wandering out and allowing someone to pick out a cross from a very dangerous position. We have Robbo, Keita and Gomez passing off Wolves runners to go defend blades of grass. We have Gomez completely oblivious to where the ball is, because as soon as a ball leaves his line of sight, because of the devious tactic of passes that are higher than 6ft, his brain cannot fathom its future trajectory until it receives data on the balls location again, and we have Matip in a fucking time warp.

Are all those players as bad as they look there? No, they are all right now as bad as they can possibly be. Where in any of what happened in those two fucking goals, did you see a team that could play a low block with any competence. The failures are so basic and so born of scared shitless passivity. How on earth those same players are going to turn into Jamie Carragher and start blocking shots and crosses, I have no fucking idea.

Klopp actually referenced the players a couple games back for actually getting out and doing just that - blocking crosses and shots, because it's that notable. It's surreal.

I think we are much more likely to improve our attack than get a tune out of our CBs until VVD is in shape again. You know, that VVD that everyone said "he's not even been our best center back, and he needs some time off anyway, it couldn't get any worse."
 
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Onana monstered the Arsenal midfield through sheer physicality and looks like he’ll be one to benefit from a Dyche set up. That had me worried against our midfield lacking any bite and tenacity beyond our 18 year old prodigy.

Bizarre as it sounds I’d be tempted (given Klopp is bound to persist with a 433) to play Tsimikas at left back and put Robbo into the left of the three alongside Badger and Milner. Adds bite and pace to an otherwise weak and pedestrian middle.

If Klopp can stomach a 442 I’d want a left side of Tsimikas/ Robbo and a right side of Milner / Trent, with Salah / Nunez providing pace and power for the counter.
 
I've been saying it to a couple of mates all season long. Onana is to good for Everton and I cant understand why we didnt spend 30 mill on a him.
Yesterday he just bossed the entire Arsenal midfield.

Dyche loves a result at Anfield, the Everton players will fight with everything they got, we already look timid and scared and you can bet your house on us conceding a goal from a set piece. Not looking forward to this must win game.

As for the team I have no idea. Henderson wont stand a chance given that he cant win a tackle to save his life.
Hopefully Fabinho has a good week of training as I have more hope for him to come good.

Bajcetic, Fabinho, Thiago. I guess.
 
I do think a back to basics, Benitez style two banks of 4 system is our easiest way of becoming hard to beat. And also putting some protection in front of the full backs.

Alison
Trent Gomez Matip Tsimikas

Elliott Thiago Bajcetic Robertson

Salah Nunez
 
Irishanfield said:
Hmmmm he was at fault for the 2nd goal today. Should have screamed at sleepy Joe gomez to leave the cross to him...
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That was all on Robbo - why the fuck didn't he go with the runner instead of moving away from him to cover the front post that Alison was covering. If he had of done - no cross and likely no goal. Nuts.
 
Irishanfield said:
Hmmmm he was at fault for the 2nd goal today. Should have screamed at sleepy Joe gomez to leave the cross to him...
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Gomez headed it out in the most dangerous area possible. He couldnt have hit a worse spot even if he tried. Just horrendous defending.
Alisson isnt to blame for that goal.
 
Hansern said:
Gomez headed it out in the most dangerous area possible. He couldnt have hit a worse spot even if he tried. Just horrendous defending.
Alisson isnt to blame for that goal.
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I get that but just from playing as a keeper I think alisson should be screaming keepers ball there but you can't legislate the retarded header by gomez
 
Irishanfield said:
I get that but just from playing as a keeper I think alisson should be screaming keepers ball there but you can't legislate the retarded header by gomez
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I would assume he did scream keeper in that situation and Gomez headed it anyway.
 
Gomez is just about the most weak-minded CB I’ve seen in a Liverpool shirt. His panic is palpable and amplified when he hasn’t got VVD exuding calm alongside him. He’s an awful centre back.
 
Buddha said:
Gomez is just about the most weak-minded CB I’ve seen in a Liverpool shirt. His panic is palpable and amplified when he hasn’t got VVD exuding calm alongside him. He’s an awful centre back.
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This joker says hi (though I agree Gomez is up there)

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Buddha said:
Gomez is just about the most weak-minded CB I’ve seen in a Liverpool shirt. His panic is palpable and amplified when he hasn’t got VVD exuding calm alongside him. He’s an awful centre back.
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He's so shit
 
Remember the city game where pundits said he could make the England squad?

Shame he's more consistently shit than good these months
 
Squiggles said:
I don't fancy both Bajectic and Thiago against Evertons midfield, specifically Onana. I'd use one to replace the other at some pont. The aim needs to be compacting the middle of the park, sitting deeper, conceding possession and utilising the pace of Salah and Nunez as the out ball, relying on the legs of Gakpo and Elliott getting up to support. Fundamentally we need to stop leaking goals in the first few minutes and provide a solid platform from which to build on as the game progresses.

--------------------Alisson
Trent----Gomez---Phillips----Robertson
---------Henderson---Thiago
----Elliott-------Salah-----------Gakpo---
-------------------Nunez------------
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And yet you put Henderson - who is slow as fck and can hardly even make a tackle - in his place? Bajectic all the way SvP.
 
Delinquent said:
Henderson has become a non-entity in midfield this season, but we're short of robust options there so he probably has to start. Fabinho, too, has also been horrendous this season, but I still feel should start in a game like this as there are no alternatives in terms of physicality. A midfield three of Henderson, Bajcetic and Fabinho surely gives us the best chance of being competitive in the middle of the park. We're not creating anything at present anyway, so may as well try to be solid.

I'd stick with Salah, Nunez and Gakpo up front, but with Gakpo central. He had his best game yet playing centrally against Brighton, so I'd like to see him given more time there. Plus he offers a bit more athleticism than Harvey, which we'll need against Everton's back line. Harvey offers very little in physical tussles, but may be more effective coming on late against tired legs.

At the back I'd go with Matip and Phillips in the middle, with Robbo and Trent either side. I was tempted to say Joemez at right back, but Trent is probably our best creative outlet, particularly with no Thiago, so he keeps his place.

The emphasis should be on keeping things tight and trying to nick a goal. I realise how ridiculous that sounds playing against relegation fodder, but we are the worst team in the league currently, so should make allowances for that in the way we play. So:

--------------------Alisson
Trent----Matip---Phillips----Robertson
--Henderson--Fabinho--Bajcetic
----Salah---------Gakpo---------Nunez---
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There's hardly a forward pass in that midfield, Thiago has to start (and will, as well as being far more capable defensively than either Fabs or Hendo).
 
Matip has been the worry for me, his poor passing into midfield/wings has constantly led to breaks against us and he, even more than Gomez, seems to have zero confidence. We may however need his height & heading ability. I'd probably prefer Philips - but Klopp won't. Note however that, with another week to the game, VvD could be ready to play - in which case there is no question he should start even if he only lasts 60 mins.

3rd Feb : 'Virgil is getting closer, but not ready for the [Wolves] game, obviously. Parts of training, I think, next week as well for Virgil.'

I have to keep Robbo in the team to fight aggression with aggression, otherwise I'd have Tsimikas, but Klopp won't change Robbo anyway. I'd not start Hendo because he can't get near the ball or player any more - but Klopp will play him against Everton for sure.

Thiago and Bajectic must start, there's no question there. I'd go with Fabs for the third midfielder (though he is currently out with 'a virus') and pray that he has at least a partial return to form. But probably Klopp will feel this may be too tough for Bajectic to start. Mistake.

Up front Gakpo will help out the midfield and has had more than a few nice touches and is making some nice through passes (esp. to Salah), it feels like the front three may be getting at least close to being on the same wavelength. Klopp will keep the status quo for the forward line. Which frankly we have no alternative to unless Jota is fit enough to start (according to Prem Injuries he won't be) - even then Klopp is highly unlikely to throw him straight into the starting team.

My Team

--------------------- Alisson

Trent ---- Philips -------- VvD ----- Robbo

------------------ Fabinho

----- Bajcetic ---------------- Thiago

------------------ Gakpo

-- Salah ------------------- Nunez

Win 2-1


Klopp's Team

--------------------- Alisson

Trent ---- Matip -------- Gomez ----- Robbo

------------------ Fabinho

----- Hendo ---------------- Thiago

------------------ Gakpo

-- Salah ------------------- Nunez

Lose 1-2
 
The senior players have played themselves into this mess they can play themselves out.

All the players know the significance of this fixture and can have no higher motivation. They can't put all responsibility on the manager. I wouldn't expect senior pros to wilt just because they're having a poor run.

Time to stop feeling sorry for themselves. "It's not good enough" they say - too right. Well do something about it then.
 
We'll start at our usual 1 mile an hour with brains turned off and be 0-2 at HT as usual. We need to make some brave calls for selection - although we know Mo is undroppable even when playing like Milan Jovanovic.

--------------Alisson------------
Gomez--Matip--Nat--Robbo
--------------Badger-------------
--------Naby--------Thiago----
Salah------Gakpo-------Nunez
 
I fear our midfield will be bossed out of the park. I also fear set pieces given we are insanely shit in the air without Virgil (and Nat Phillips).
 
They will flood the midfield, as they did against Arsenal

------------------Alisson---------------------
Trent----Matip-----Gomez---Tsimikas
------Milner----Bajcetic----Thiago-----
----Elliott--------------------------Nunez
------------------Salah--------------------

Or:

------------------Alisson---------------------
Trent----Matip-----Gomez---Tsimikas
------Milner----Bajcetic----Thiago-----
---Salah-------Nunez-------Elliott-----
 
Badger / Milner / one other (I’d stick Robbo in left midfield) gives us the most combative edge against their strong / aggressive midfield.

We have to play Nat against their aerial threat too.
 
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